75 thoughts on “Friday Fluff/Open Thread”


    Oh wait, what? Wedding?! Send my love and well-wishes to Fillyjonk!


  2. @ corgi: omg who’s a cute puppeh??! you are a cute puppeh, yes you are! yes you are!

    @ fillyjonk: BLESSINGS BLESSINGS and MORE BLESSINGS on your wedding and marriage!! And best wishes for safe travels for your guests, including especially your two fellow intrepid blog hostesses.

  3. PUPPY! Ahhh if I ever get a dog, it’ll be a Corgi! SO CUTE AAHHH!

    Congrats to FJ! Gods all bless the marriage for years to come. :3

  4. Congratulations to fliiyjonk, may you have many wonderful years ahead!

    Now I feel all protected from those dangerous ducks. :)

  5. Best wishesto FJ and her beloved! I hope the day goes smoothly and the marriage even more smoothly.

    Also YAY CORGI! They are the only small dogs I really like. If I ever want a dog the same size as my cat, it will be a Corgi.

  6. Piffle: Now I feel all protected from those dangerous ducks. :)

    Hee! Yes, between the plush ducks and the slow-moving cucks, I think we need a herd of corgis in the Piggy Moo entourage.

    (Wow, I think I’ve been here too long.)

  7. It depends on which kind of corgis they are if they’re small dogs or not. The Pems, which are the ones without tails, are smallish dogs. But Cardigan Welsh Corgis are medium sized dogs that happen to be short. I have a friend with a cardi that’s nearly 40 pounds, and not a chubby 40lbs either, but just muscular and broadly built.

  8. Actually Rose, all Corgis are big dogs with short legs. You can just ask my two. Cardis tend to be stockier, yes, but Pems are also “big for a little dog” if you know what I mean. Both types are meant to be hard working herding dogs.


    Both Pembrokes, Dylan is the larger and weighs about 33 pounds. Miss Lily is a petite flower at 24 pounds. Both are extremely tall in attitude if not altitude.

  9. Awwww! The eye melting cuteness!

    Hey, I have a question for the cat people around here. Does anyone have any ideas about how to get my spoiled little housecat and the little orphan kitty who showed up at my door a month or so ago to get along? Burton, the spoiled housecat, gets along pretty well with other critters, cats, dogs, etc. But Maureen (the stray) doesn’t seem to want anything other than humans anywhere near her. He really wants to play, but she (despite being about half his size) has whipped his ass many times. Which he just does not seem to understand.

    Both are spayed/neutered, in case anyone was going to ask.

  10. emmy, they may never get along. But they’ll usually reach some sort of arrangement for living together. It just often takes way more than a month. My older cat takes about 4 months to get comfortable with new cats, and even after that there’s a lot of… bickering. As long as they aren’t hurting each other (i.e. the fighting isn’t so rough there’s more than a moderate furr coming out) they probably don’t need to be separated after a month. Just separate them (at a safe moment) if they get into a nasty fight, for a while so they calm back down. (A while could be days. If you separate a cat fight and let them back out after an hour, usually it will start up again, in my experience.)

    Maureen will set the boundaries, and sooner or later Burton will get it (more or less – periodic ass whippings will continue to keep him in line, most likely). If no one is in danger (and your property is surviving) you’ll probably need to just let them be and get used to each other for a good long while.


    All you corgi lovers should totally check out Korgi, a truly amazing graphic novel I found at the comic shop the other day. It’s a story told entirely in pictures, a whimsical fairy land where small people and “Korgis” (corgis) work together, and a little girl and a puppy wander away to great adventure. Magic on the page. I would not steer you wrong. READ IT READ IT READ IT.

  12. In other news, yesterday after almost two years of being a YouTube member, I finally decided to fiddle with my settings and profile and such. I never had so much fun with colors as changing all the colors on my channel page. I still haven’t ever even uploaded a video, but now I really want to do that. It’s a shame all the equipment to get footage from my camcorder to my computer (not to mention the battery to make my camcorder actually work) is in storage.

    WAIT. MY CAMERA DOES VIDEO. *angel song sound byte*

    You guys are about to get inundated with stupid clips of my dog and cat.


  13. Congrats FJ! and Mr. FJ. ;)

    I’m toying with starting my own blog. Somebody talk me out of it. I have no time for this. But me waaaaaaaaaants it. Oy.



  14. DRST, I know you don’t want to hear it, but I would encourage you to start your own blog! Sugar for Sugar has really helped me a lot with my personal journey. It’s fun, it’s cathartic, you get to bounce ideas off your e-friends when they’re able to share responses, and there’s nothing that says you have to update all the time or at specific times. It’s yours, do what you want. I update when I feel like doing so. At the moment, that’s pretty frequent, but as I get busier it might not be so.

    And of course I almost forgot to wish FJ and her new Mr. all the luck and love and joy in the world!!!!

    Sorry, I got talking dog and imagining inflicting footage of mine on the internet at large… I’m the sort of owner that embodies the phrase, “there is only one best dog/cat/whoever in the world, and every owner has him/her.”

  15. @DRST,

    I can say one great thing about WordPress is that you can have
    – saved drafts
    – scheduled posts
    – moderated comments

    Currently I’m trying for 1 post per weekday. It really helps that I’ve got several posts-in-progress, and a couple scheduled for next week. :)

  16. That reminds me, I need to charge the HP camera and get footage of Dylan walking around on his elbows. (it’s how he scratches his chest, we think.) It’s comical and extremely weird.

  17. Congrats to FJ and her sweetie!!!

    *is cat person will not look at puppy will resist teh cuteness*

    Gaaahhhhh!!!!!! Cutenesssessssss!!!!

  18. I love corgis! I have one and he’s so sweet.

    Congrats to FJ! I hope everything is absolutely fabulous for your wedding and it all goes off without a hitch. And I hope you both live happily ever after in that real life sort of way with the arguments and such but also love.

  19. MAZEL TOV Fillyjonk! Whoo-hoo!

    Love the corgi pup. Milo and I met a corgi/beagle mix yesterday in the park and it was REALLY cute. Smaller than a corgi and better proportioned. Okay, I just realized I said “better proportioned” on a body-acceptance blog. But we’re talking dogs here, which were bred into the shape they are by humans, and I’m talking more about risk factor than aesthetics. Corgis are so low and stocky, they worry me. Does anyone know if they’re prone to the same kinds of back problems dachshunds are, and if you have to watch their weight as carefully?

  20. Miss Conduct, corgis are less inclined to back problems than Doxies, but they can still get them. Being cautious about having them jump from high places etc helps a lot. As to the weight, they’re what you call “easy keepers”, meaning they have very efficient metabolisms for the most part. They don’t need a lot of food but in most cases, they’ll eat whatever is on offer so they do have a tendency to get pudgy. In such cases the Green Bean diet works wonders. And they do need exercise-as active herding dogs they love it!

  21. Millionth congrats from me, too!

    Also, does anyone have link(s) to companies that make stuff for big folks? I’m looking specifically for a camp chair (is that what they’re called? The folding chairs that ppl take around to games, campfires, etc.) that will hold 300# safely. I had a site bookmarked, but I can’t find it now. Thanks!

  22. Emmy, If you haven’t been there already I highly recommend you check out the forums at thecatsite.com. They also have a lot of great articles. It was invaluable to me when I got my two girls. (And My gigantic dog.)

    Lilah, I think Casual Male XL was selling camp chairs last time I was there. Odd, I know. But you might try their site.

  23. ALL THE BEST, FJ!!!!!

    In other news CORGI IS CUTE.

    In news after that news, I have been in LA for like a week now and I kind of think we need to have a meet-up or something, because I want to take it all in! Unrelated, but I also seriously need to get internet in my room. Having to walk out to the lounge area to get online in super irritating (especially because they kick you out after 9!). Though some cute guys are playing ping-pong nearby, so that’s not so bad. I would attempt to join except that I’m miserable at ping-pong.

    And now I’ve been distracted by cute overload. BRB.

  24. Burton

    Please tell me that you named him after TIm Burton.

    There are a ton of stray cats around my building, and I saw one not too long ago who had Tim Burton’s hairdo. I am not kidding. I was all, cheer up, emo kitteh.

  25. @shinobi, Casual Male has launched a new site, http://livingxl.com/ – rather like Amplestuff (only glossier). Camp chairs, cots, and tables, bikes, golf gear – loads of stuff.

    I would rather they hadn’t picked today to rotate scales to the front page, but I will note that 400lb capacity personal scales ARE hard to find, and Amplestuff carries them too.

  26. @Miss Conduct… as buttercup noted, corgis do have less back trouble than some of the other loooong dogs. Corgis are quite strong and sturdy despite being short, they really do live up to the ‘big dog, no legs’ moniker they have. Our guy is short but he can knock people over if they’re not ready for him and he’s a great herder. I’ve always wanted to get him into a herd of cows and let him show his stuff heheh.

  27. My dogs have a Corgi friend at the local dog park. She works herself into a tizzy herding the dogs and the people. She is one fast little animal. The cutest thing about it to me is that she practices her “cutting” techniques, and trots home every time with one back paw that is seriously grass-stained from the pivoting.

  28. Congrats, FJ! Have a great wedding and a wonderful, long and happy life together!

    As for the corgeh….Super Cute Dog Alert!!! (Have to be circumspect about my love of SCDs or Madam the cat will get jealous, but shh….don’t tell…I am rather partial to the littler breeds.)

  29. My eight year old made a joke about dogs today:

    What did the skinny dog say to the fat dog?

    “Take me to your Feeder!”

    There was then debate about whether she should have specified they were alien dogs…


    I really have nothing more to contribute than that.

  31. Oo so that raises a question I have, which is a little less fluffy. So do you guys think that pets being fat is unhealthy? It sounds like maybe some of you do. The vet I went to today (just a checkup!) had the usual brochures for STOP PET OBESITY BOOGA BOOGA, complete with a sign on the big dog scale. I mean, isn’t this just the same “obesity crisis” hysteria, but now applied to pets so we can blame the evil owners for abusing their animals? In ridiculously bullshit and self-righteous ways?

    The sign on the scale was… well, it was a lot like the sign on the scale in the DOCTOR’S OFFICE I just went to (it had statistics from, if I remember right, an NHANES study from, like, the 80s – things like “70% of obese people have type II diabetes.” That sounds like bullshit to me…). Note how horrified I was at the implied shaming of having a sign like that on a scale in a doctor’s office.

  32. So do you guys think that pets being fat is unhealthy?
    No. Just like humans, weight gain can occasionally be a sign of other health issues, but can also be perfectly normal. (If the former, there will be other accompanying symptoms.) We’ve had healthy fat cats, fat rats, fat turtles, etc.
    Also, please do consider asking/demanding that the vet (and the doctor, of course) remove the brochures and signs, or lose your business. Both are for-profit businesses just like any other, so why support them? (By the way, there are excellent books available detailing natural do-it-yourself healthcare for animals, just as there are for humans. I personally don’t see the need or desirability of professionalizing any species’ routine healthcare.)

  33. I LOVE puppies! And kitties!!

    Congrats to Fillyjonk and the best of luck!

    random fact: Today I am 19. I’m almost not a teenager anymore.

  34. Melena, yes, he is named after Tim Burton. The other one is named for Maureen O’Hara. Who you might know if you’re a big fan of John Wayne movies, like my husband is.

    Thanks for the ideas about getting the kitties to tolerate each other, Shinobi and Lynne. I keep both sets of claws trimmed, so the ass-whippings are largely symbolic, but this kitty is has a bitch streak. Just like her human, I guess.

  35. Lynne, I don’t think pets being fat is necessarily unhealthy. It’s a lot like humans in that they have a setpoint, and a big deviation from that setpoint can be a symptom of something else being wrong. I’ve had two really fat dogs in my life. The dachshund was a fat puppy, who grew up to be a fat dog, and chased squirrels around the yard with great vigor, even as she wore a callous on her belly from dragging the ground. (She’s cute too, looks like a sausage with a head.) She’s fifteen years old now, and still happily chasing squirrels in my mom’s back yard.

    The fat beagle, on the other hand, had been a thinner dog, until her best friend, our black lab mix, died of cancer a few years ago. She comforted herself with food. (We were free-feeders up until that point) So, her gaining a lot of weight was a concern. She was depressed. It took her a while to come out of it and act normally again, so in the meantime, we did limit her treats, and the amount of kibble in her dish until she leveled back out. (with help from lots of walks, cuddles, and trips to play at the dog park, which I’m sure did more for her than limiting her emotional eating, but the poor thing couldn’t even scratch her own butt anymore.)

  36. Congratulations, FJs!

    George and Carmella, the cats of this household, eat the same diet, get the same amount of exercise, life the exact same lifestyle. George is thin. Carmella is fat. Anti-pet obesity stuff is just more stupid bullying, IMHO.

    In open thread news, I bought a lovely fitted teal shirt today, and a mossy-green pendant on a silver chain, to wear with it. ‘Cause I’m weird about colour like that. :)

  37. In other open thread news, I’ll be wearing the abovementioned colour-clashing ensemble with a big orange NDP* button, ’cause there’s federal elections happening in Canadialand, too. ;)

    *New Democratic Party

  38. Oh, man…I saw this ad today from the Corn Refiners Association where these two ladies are talking about the “juice” one of them is pouring for her kids, and the other mom says, “oh, so, you don’t care what you give your kids to eat?” And the one pouring says, “you mean high fructose corn syrup? You mean how it’s made from corn, has nothing artificial added, and, like sugar, is fine in moderation?”

    Just interested if anyone else has seen it or anything like it and what your reactions were.

  39. Congratulations FJ!
    Being married is fun.

    Also, Kate! I was flipping through the Oct. ’08 Chatelaine at the dentist office, and there you were! I was like SQUEEEE ZOMFG KAAATTTEEE! I’m so proud! Congrats to you too! (Rationally, I know that I don’t, but I feel like I know you because, you know, you were integral in changing my life for the better.)

  40. re: fat dogs-active breed easy keeper dogs that don’t get exercise and are free-fed or fed a lot of people food WILL get fat. It’s generally NOT good for them.

    As people, we can make decisions about what we eat. We can eat intuitively, take ourselves for walks or to dance dance dance parties or for a bike ride, but dogs can’t do that for themselves. Most dogs will eat what’s on offer, no matter what it is. So no, it’s not the same thing as with people. Dogs are not people.

    We fostered a corgi named Bobo. Bobo’s former owner was a littleoldlady who fed him from the table and never took him out. Bobo weighed over 80 pounds when we got him for foster. (note that normal weight for Pembrokes is 25-35 pouinds) He had trouble breathing, could not go up or down steps, and could only walk about a block. He was definitely not healthy. Limiting his access to food and increasing his access to exercise likely saved his life.

    I guess what I’m getting at is dogs don’t make their own choices as to what to eat and how to live, we are in control of that. I don’t really see a dog “obesity crisis” but I’ve certainly seen obese dogs who have benefitted from some calorie restriction and a return to a more natural doggie lifestyle.

    Take our Dylan for example. (take him, please.) He was also pretty overweight, about 50 pounds. We gave him the green bean diet to start with (half a cup of green beans and half a cup of kibble twice a day). Now he eats the recommended amounts of kibble for a dog his size and gets plenty of exercise and his weight has been stable for six years at 33-36 pounds.

    Lily on the other hand was severely underfed, weighed 14 pounds when we got her. We started her off giving her extra food, yogurt, EFA supplements, eggs, etc until she got some meat on her poor bones. She’s also maintained a normal weight for her frame of 22-25 pounds for years at the recommended amount of kibble and the occasional treat.

    Dylan would eat what was in front of him until his stomach blew up. He once ate an entire five pound bag of science diet cat food in one sitting. He was very, very sick for days. Dogs are not people.

  41. I had three cats who I got all about the same age (8 weeks) at the same time. Two were related and the other wasn’t, but they all grew up together in the same enviroment and the same feeding. The two related ones stayed thin and the other got fat. They all lived to be seventeen. The fat one got liver cancer, one thin one died of kidney failure, and the last one died of loneliness two weeks after the other two went. That was one tough Summer for us. So, for them at least, fat didn’t make a significant difference in health. The fat one was 17-18 pounds and the vet said he should have been around 15, so he was a big boy anyhow. The slim ones were a female about eight pounds (and the most gorgeous cat I’ve ever had, like a black egyptian cat statue when she sat tall with her tail wrapped around her paws) and a male about ten pounds who looked like a scrawny lion.

  42. Yeah you can’t leave food out for a Corgi… they’ll eat themselves to popping. They are masters of the “I am sooooo hungry… couldn’t you just give the wee little doggy a treat?” Look.

  43. I’d have to disagree about the pets being fat. It _IS_ a serious issue, particularly in long-backed dogs like corgis, and dogs of breeds which are prone to orthopedic problems (like GSDs and retrievers.) The vast majority- not all, but NEARLY all- of the corgis who end up with back problems *are* overweight, sometimes grossly so. They don’t carry it around like we do. An extra pound? Probably not an issue. But by the time a dog LOOKS fat to the average pet owner, they’re anywhere from 25-50% OVER what they should weigh. It may only be 10 pounds on the scale, but on a should-be-20-pounds dog?! that’s a HECK of a lot.

    Pets also age faster than we do. Degenerative processes that take us many years (such as the breakdown of stressed tendons) and which are hence very unusual in humans who are overweight- show up much earlier in dogs.
    Additionally, most pet ewight problems aren’t caused by genetics. They’re caused by the owner feeding to an arbitrary standard of ‘enough’. (My mom thinks my corgi’s bowl should be full at each meal. He would weigh 60 pounds if she did that.) 1/4 of a cup doesn’t LOOK like much food but it allows him to maintain his current weight and not gain or lose, which is right where he should be. He’s officially a senior this year and as healthy and active as ever.

  44. Oh, and congrats FJ!

    Also, buttercup, are you on Corgi-L? Your guys’ names sound familiar, but there’s a lot of Lily and Dylan corgis. My Indy’s a Cardigan. :)

  45. Simply Mac: “Oh, man…I saw this ad today from the Corn Refiners Association where these two ladies are talking about the “juice” one of them is pouring for her kids, and the other mom says, “oh, so, you don’t care what you give your kids to eat?” And the one pouring says, “you mean high fructose corn syrup? You mean how it’s made from corn, has nothing artificial added, and, like sugar, is fine in moderation?”

    Just interested if anyone else has seen it or anything like it and what your reactions were.

    HOLY BUCKETS, that’s marvelous. I’m so glad to see sanctimomminess going prime time and being the object of scorn. I wasn’t a big fan of HFCS before, just because it usually makes me feel like crap, but now I feel like going out and buying a case of Coca-cola. Or giving a big kiss on the lips to the people that wrote this.

    However, I will also say that in my experience it’s fruitless to try and justify yourself to the sanctimommies on their own terms.

    (Er, side rant: I should say here that it is one hundred percent the case that, as in the world of sixth-grade girlhood — which is what being a mom of young kids reminds me of more than anything else — middle class motherhood has females being vicious to each other *within* a horizon already determined by sexism. In other words, I have little patience for the people who notice that it’s rarely DADS who are engaging in competitive parenting, but then from that conclude that women are stupid for getting all competitive like that. Gee, Einstein, maybe the “stupid mommy” trope is one reason WHY some moms feel like they have to make mommying as complicated and exacting as neuroscience. Or just MAYBE women whose social class has heretofore helped them *compete* and rack up achievements don’t exactly know what to do when suddenly patriarchal convention dictates that they stay at home with the kids, so they make that into a locus for competition and achievement, just like the race to make partner had been in their past lives, you miserable antifeminist fuckwad. Anyway.)

    Cough. As I was saying, in my experience, the only way to respond to a comment like this is either the direct approach:

    Sanctimommy: “Oh, you don’t care what your kids drink?”
    Other Mommy: “Look, missy, you can enjoy the pleasure of my company or you can passive-aggressively criticize my parenting, but you can’t do both. Which is it?”

    …or the indirect approach in which you refuse to play along:

    Sanctimommy: “Oh, you don’t care what your kids drink?”
    Other Mommy: (big smile) “Oh, evidently not to your exacting standards, so it’s a good thing I don’t care about those. Would you care for some water instead, then?”

    Dadnabbit, I’ve gone on too long again. I bet you dollars to baby doughnuts that this comment is the threadkiller.

  46. OK, I’m not a fan of the HFCS (or the ads), but I TOTALLY agree that competitive parenting is WAY WORSE!

    And, just want to add, that our 10 year-old dog (whom we adopted when she was 6 months old) is a Corgi/Pitbull mix, and the sweetest, most patient dog in the world. She’s also very protective of the kids, and has a very strong herding instinct, lol!

  47. I think that ad sounds marvelous. HFCS is problematic for some people to digest, like, you know, hundreds of other foods, but it’s food. It’s not the devil.

    See, buttercup, I see what you’re saying, and I could see how the extent to which we have bred domesticated animals would create unhealthy combinations of instinctive impulses (eating whenever possible) and extreme body shapes that might be problematic. But at the same time, it’s a VERY easy leap from what you’re saying to, “fat people just need diet and exercise.” Dogs and humans are, of course, different, but we’re not THAT different. And as much as I used to shake my head at those irresponsible owners of extremely fat pets, now I really hesitate to take part in that level of self-righteous sanctimoniousness. sanctimonitude. sanctimoneity.

  48. Cait, yes, I’m on corgi-l and on pembroke-l but I seldom read them these days.

    Lynne, we’re just going to have to disagree on this one. Dogs ARE “that” different from people and do not have access to the same cognitive processes that we do, plus they depend on us to make their decisions for them.

  49. I have to weigh in, as it were, on Cait and buttercup’s side on this one. Domestic dogs often don’t have an “off” switch that will tell them to stop eating when they’re full. EVERY supper is the Last Supper if you’re a Labrador. They also won’t exercise of their own accord, at least not as much as they need to; they need environmental prompts in order to do so. (Walks, playtime, other dogs, squirrels to chase …) We made ’em that way, and now we have to take responsibility for it.

    Another way we made them is with a lot of innate design flaws. The back and orthopedic problems Cait mentioned, as well as breathing problems in flat-faced dogs like bulldogs and pugs. All of these can be seriously exacerbated by excess weight.

    We can’t pretend that animals aren’t the way they are just because we don’t want the same logic to apply to humans.

    Confession: I do let Milo go 1-2 pounds over his ideal weight because he becomes obsessively focused on food if I keep him down to 25 pounds. But I’d never let him get over that–seeing my little man racing around the park (I have seen him outrun GREYHOUNDS) and jumping to catch a ball four feet in midair? He’s got to be allowed to have that pleasure as long as he possibly can. It’s his nature–just as it’s his nature not to be able to make the kinds of decisions that will ensure a long, active life.

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