All Right, Screw It

Please direct your ire about plagiarism to this person:

Update: evidently, merely quoting the e-mail wasn’t good enough to prove I’m not a big, fat dirty liar.

Here, have a screenshot.

And the source info.

And, just for good measure, a link to the original VA post, which I am evidently just TERRIFIED of linking to for some reason, even though there have been like 85 links to it (which I didn’t touch) in my comments over the past few days. All right, I left that up long enough to prove the point. No longer.

I am a fucking writer and former publishing professional, people. Intellectual property fucking matters to me. Call me a deluded fat cunt all you want, but the shit about me cribbing from Violent Acres’s post and pretending it was a comment is where I draw the line. I would not in a million years knowingly represent one person’s work as another’s for any reason, much less no reason, which is what there would have been for my doing it here. I made a mistake, which is described in both the post and the comments section here.

74 thoughts on “All Right, Screw It

  1. Don’t let people like that provoke you, Kate. You know you can’t win.

    Remember what you said about provoking your older sister until she hit you? Well, I was the older sister who got told off for hitting you although she hadn’t started it. And one thing I’ve learned, when some annoying 12 year old asshat is yelling “she did, too!”, no truth, logic, anger or pleading in the world is going to change anything about it. Just try to relax and take it with dignity.

  2. It’s so easy to get caught up in web-drama and it’s not all that emotionally healthy. (I know, believe me…) Be sure to take care of yourself first and say “Whatever” to the nitpicky fucktards.

  3. You’re full of shit and you know it. Having abs is totally awesome. Having gigantic bags of sweaty flesh painfully attached to your chest is not.

    hey, what’s wrong with having breasts?

  4. All I can say is…holy shit on a shingle, KH, this is just bizarre. You stated multiple times that this troll submitted this stuff to you in comments, and Vaginal Abhorrence doesn’t believe you? Shit, talk about spoiling for a fight. Could this person really have absolutely everything a girl could want — trophy-wife looks, independent wealth, a great husband, the respect of her peers, etc., etc., etc. — and still be that terminally miserable that they have to pick fights with people over things that never even happened? I say no. I wouldn’t believe this person, whoever “she” is, if “she” was standing across the street and told me my house was on fire.

  5. But Kate, you’re a liiiiiiiiar! My theory is that you are Violent Acres and have been writing that blog along with this one all along in order to increase traffic. Also, Dan Savage doens’t exist. You made him up!

  6. @Meowser:

    Because I’m the sort of person who starts reading something and doesn’t stop until she gets to the end, I’m ashamed to admit that I know one of her blog posts, she brags about going to Wal-Mart and stealing a bowl filled with a bulk assortment of Dum-Dum and Smarties candies.

    Stealing the cheapest candy in existence from Wal-Mart.

    If that is not the very definition of “petty”, I don’t know what is.

  7. Hey, this is a little random, but who wants to take bets on how long it will take before the referenced Comment starts getting forwarded in e-mail and attributed to George Carlin?

    My experience with the internet is that everything is said by George Carlin.

  8. Hey, this is a little random, but who wants to take bets on how long it will take before the referenced Comment starts getting forwarded in e-mail and attributed to George Carlin?

    BWAH! I’ve got $10 on Dennis Miller.

  9. Tracy: LOL, that’s EXACTLY what I was going to say….Dude hates boobs…How sad.

    Sending hugs to Kate’s sexy-ass soul yurt.

  10. “You may appear to be fat, spoiled and happy.
    He forgot to write awesome and gorgeous.”

    …and QUITE SMART (I can say that because I teach grad students!). You are doing wonderful work. Thanks…

  11. There’s something wrong with being HAPPY now?

    Good grief.

    It’s not being happy, it’s being both fat and happy. Because, how then are you going to hate yourself thin?

    I should add a chapter on this to my diet book, after the chapter on watching boys kiss and the chapter on when you are allowed to walk near cake. You are, however, allowed to be Jolly if you are male and can pull off a beard. This does not hinder weight loss at all.

  12. –thought being jolly and pulling off a beard may give you urges to give presents to all the good children in the world once a year.

  13. Actually, never mind. After a short scientific study where I asked my little brother if he felt self-hatred is what made him thin, his answer was no.

    So that’s out of the book.

    Boys kissing is still going to be included, however.

  14. Have you guys seen the Jason Isaacs kiss video from the same Youtube user as the Alan Rickman kiss video? OMG! My pants just dropped on the floor watching that!
    …because of my shrinking ass. Ahem.

  15. May I just go offtopic for a moment to note the wonderfulness of the new banner? Particularly the Belligerent Cupcake (which I’m not sure whether it’s fillyjonk or sweet machine).

  16. Totally off-topic, but Kate, what kind of publishing work did you do when you were working in the industry? I’m a graduate student in publishing, I want to be a children’s editor, and I’m always interested in hearing what people thought of their experiences in the industry. :)

    Also, you are generally awesome.

  17. Have you guys seen the Jason Isaacs kiss video from the same Youtube user as the Alan Rickman kiss video?

    Yes. As a public service announcement I might add that the Alan Rickman kiss comes from Dark Harbor a pretty bad movie with some incredible moments of hotness. The Isaacs kiss comes from Dangerous Lady and OMFG!!!

    Also, I want to see the phrase “Belligerent Cupcake” more often around here. Ta ever so.

  18. jaed, we were just discussing that. I think it ought to be me, since I have a bigger sweet tooth than SM and don’t eat cheeseburgers. Mind you, SM probably doesn’t eat cheeseburgers anymore either, but I’ve had digestive problems for WAY longer than she has! ;) (Also I’m Jewish. Not that I keep kosher, but still.)

  19. That new banner ROCKS!

    Oh, and I’m very fat and happy. Suck that, VA.

    Bored? I’m in school full-time.

    Angry? Occasionally, but I get over it.

    A bitch? You bet. But I only treat others the way they treat me.

  20. “Having abs is totally awesome. Having gigantic bags of sweaty flesh painfully attached to your chest is not.”

    Uh, I happen to have both.

    I can’t help the boobs. I’m female – they’re genetic.

    But the abs have come from years of doing a rocking exercise my sister and I invented. No joke.

    Despite being morbidly fucking obese, I still have ’em.

  21. I like veggie burgers too, but not with cheese. It seems appropriate for you to have the thing with cheese.

  22. How does boys kissing help one lose weight? Oh, wait, I know! It makes me horny as hell and I immediately seek out the husband and have lots of calorie-burning sex! Thanks for the idea. Now to go rewatch the kiss/fight scene from Torchwood….

    As for nice, fat, breasts – well, I made a fair living out of building bodices that shoved all that sweaty flesh into nice, round mounds that enticed many people to ply those displaying said mounds with free beer. While simultaneously providing back support. Go me!

  23. You know, this just convinces me even more of something I’d already suspected from just reading his blogs: Dan Savage is stupider than a box of hammers.

    You go, girl.

  24. @fashionablenerd:

    Maybe you’re easily amused.

    Dan Stupid is savager than a box of hammers.

    Dan Hamm is savager than a box o0f stupid.

    …but not as easily amused as I am…

  25. Does anyone else feel like we should all be dance fighting like in West Side Story or the Beat It video?

  26. Does anyone else feel like we should all be dance fighting like in West Side Story or the Beat It video?

    That should definitely be on the agenda for the 1st Shapely Prose Face to Face. Anyone able to give lessons?

  27. It’s not being happy, it’s being both fat and happy. Because, how then are you going to hate yourself thin?

    This both makes me laugh and makes my head hurt :).

    (Actually, a lot of the purported “logic” from this post and the Savage post makes my head hurt. My brain doesn’t twist that way.)

  28. After visiting both Dan Savage’s blog and the VA blog, AND reading comments, I believe all my sanity watchers points have been used up.

  29. Totally off-topic, but Kate, what kind of publishing work did you do when you were working in the industry?

    I was an editorial intern at Random House of Canada and then an editorial assistant, editor, and Managing Editor at Insomniac Press. I also did some freelance editing and book publicity for a while, though I hated being a publicist. Mostly because, irony of ironies, I can’t lie for shit.

    The experience would be a whole other blog. But it was mostly good. The short version is: fun industry, great people, no money. If you want a feel for the annoying side, specifically where kid lit is concerned, try this post of Wendy’s.

  30. I had a busy weekend, and I think I missed something, but aparantly, Kate (and this blog and all y’all) is famous now.

    So, as irritating as this might be, it’s also gonna bring more people here, some of whom may thing, “hey, these chicks are onto something.”

    The rest of it, well, I don’t know. It seems like Dan took it hard when he heard the phrase, “Sweet Jesus, I hate Dan Savage.”
    The man doesn’t like to be hated.

    We also know that he thinks he’s working really hard to be skinny. I have a weird memory glitch (possibly a tiny superpower) that allows me to remember random things about people, so here are some of the things I remember about Dan Savage that may shed some light:

    1. A friend sent me an article from “The Stranger,” about a young writer getting through a really hard time by baking nearly all the cookies in a Martha Stewart Holiday Cookie magazine, and how Dan ate a whole bunch of one particular batch of cookies (sounds like something someone on a diet all the time would do — I can certainly relate). Here’s the link:
    http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=445158

    2. Someone somewhere in some comment stated that maybe Dan’s mom had been fat and that had screwed him up. I won’t weigh in on that — but I do remember that his dad, who was a policeman talked about sissies walking their dogs in the park and generally seemed to spout a lot of homophobic stuff (you can’t choose your parents) and I believe I remember that his dad was a hefty guy. My source for this would be a story by Mr. Savage on “This American Life.” It may have been this show: http://www.thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?episode=46

    Those are some of the random facts about Dan Savage available to the general public. It’s amazing to me that he was so hurt that Kate hates him.

  31. Kate, Violent Acres isn’t worth it. The whole site is about hate and the author desperately trying to prove she’s better than anyone else. She’s trying to out-mean, out-assole Maddox, without half the funny. She loves to stir the pot and the more you respond the more she stirs. The example of calling you a coward for not linking to her blog is part of it – it’s all about driving the views.

    Don’t go there, don’t read, don’t link. Not worth it.

  32. Yeah, I think it would be fairly easy for anyone who cares to find the post in question, without a link from you. You owe “her” nothing. Besides, who is the coward here? At least you haven’t constructed a completely false identity and persona and hidden behind it in order to rip people to shreds. You even use your real name, which is way braver than I’ll ever be.

  33. Oh, and PS, I lived in San Francisco when J.T. Leroy was just emerging, and I didn’t believe “him” then either. I tend to be right about these things.

  34. “Having gigantic bags of sweaty flesh painfully attached to your chest is not.”

    Excuse me but my gigantic bags of sweaty flesh are not in anyway “painfully” attached to my chest. No staples, hot glue gun, caulking, nails or screws were used to make up what are my gigantic, bouncing, baby raising, 100% natural, totally awesome breasts :)

    Kate I must say I totally love the new banner, there isn’t anything bacon can’t do!

  35. I think from now on you should respond to all these folks with variations of Why yes, Alan Rickman is hot.

    Yes! I think Mr. Rickman should be the unofficial mascot of Shapely Prose. Given his real-life romantic life, I’m sure he would not object.

  36. Ye gods, the world is full of ignorant assholes. Pity so many of them have audiences.

    And I normally hate bacon….but I’m making an exception for furious bacon in a cape.

    Oh, and I love my gigantic bags of sweaty flesh. And if someone doesn’t get why, that’s not something I can teach them. (Although I will say that all bags of flesh – gigantic, sweaty, or otherwise – should be appreciated because they are awesome.)

  37. I know that my fatal error is trying to apply logic to VA readers, but here’s what I don’t get: if Kate wanted to respond to the VA post, why would she go to the trouble of creating a fake email account and sending herself the post? Why not just blog about said post? Are you that afraid of sending VA traffic, Kate? You devious fatty, you. (And if I’m reading that IP address right, you went to Australia to set up that email address and send your plagiarized comments. The lengths you will go to, Kate. Tsk tsk.)

    I tried to read the VA post giving us fatties an excuse for our existence, but all the junk food I eat must be addling my brain. Fat people are less evolved than thin people? Wha-huh? You know, come to think of it, that must be why we eat so much fast food and so many boxes of donuts. We’re scared of the magical orange fire coming out of that big box in the kitchen. You know, the room where the chips are.

  38. You know, come to think of it, that must be why we eat so much fast food and so many boxes of donuts. We’re scared of the magical orange fire coming out of that big box in the kitchen. You know, the room where the chips are.

    Oh my god, Jessica, you just won comment of the day, hands down, and it’s not even noon.

  39. Kate, has the accuser commented on your blog at all? If so, please reveal IP address and contact info. (I wonder if they might be avoiding doing so to hide any easy access to source info.)

    VA apparently has her brain twisted in knots. She’s right. There is a plagiarism problem — with her own group of dittoheads who are going around parroting her comments as their own words. She needs to look inside her own group of freaks to find out what’s up.

    Also, have you searched your Gmail to see if this particular goober had commented previously?

  40. The short version is: fun industry, great people, no money.

    Heh. Strangely enough this is the exact same reason I stopped working in magazine publishing. Loved the work, hate-hate-hated being constantly broke.

  41. Besides, who is the coward here? At least you haven’t constructed a completely false identity and persona and hidden behind it in order to rip people to shreds.

    BINGO (And I mean that in a good way!)

    I’d like to see VA meet ANY of us in person and spew her (or his, probably) hateful shit in our faces.

  42. I leave Internetz range for four whole days and this is what I miss?

    Alan Rickman = hot. Internet bullshit = not.

  43. Well, noobs like me can’t even follow what the flap was about, but reading that blog, VA sounds like a very very pissed-off person. I don’t know why, considering she barely escaped the horrors of teh fatz and has allllllll this energy now so she should be really happy and not so pissed off. Not to be misunderstood, I have no aversion to writing angry rants, and bitching high and low about things, but I also don’t crawl around the net and look for people to pick personal fights with.

    And cry me a river about the gigantic bags of fat she supposedly had hanging from her chest – sorry but that makes no sense. First of all, she wasn’t fat – by her account she was probably not even really overweight. She was “a size or two AWAY from being a plus-sized girl.” That’s not the same thing as being fat. And by her account it was due to poor eating and she was normally very thin. That’s worlds apart from being 300 lbs and having been on diet after diet only to end up fatter. Quite an extrapolation there. But at any rate, I have really big knockers and they do NOT hurt. They don’t hurt my back, they don’t hurt my chest, etc. I’m finding it hard to believe hers did to her either. But whatever.

    This is a good blog, and the whole FA movement is fascinating. All VA shows is that angry thin people are still hating fat people, and that’s nothing new. In her case, she hates fat people because a fat girl once slept with her boyfriend. In other words, if the advice of a noob matters, I say don’t even worry about it, especially now that you’ve demonstrated what really happened.

  44. All VA shows is that angry thin people are still hating fat people, and that’s nothing new. In her case, she hates fat people because a fat girl once slept with her boyfriend.

    Sooooo, she associates fat with unattractiveness, yet her boyfriend obviously is attracted to fat (by her standards) women?

    I think we’ve found her problem right here. ;-)

  45. Came via VA, but not a troll. I’m thin, DH is fat.

    First want to say that I have trouble with the idea that diets don’t work. I have known too many people who finally said ENOUGH after years of being fat and lost a ton of weight. (okay, only 2 who have already kept it off for over 5 years… but considering the size of my social circle that’s a lot!) DH lost 60 lbs on Atkins but gained it back when I got pregnant (we were doing it together, but once the hormones kicked in I couldn’t even look at fatty meat and craved CARBS like a crazy person).

    Second I do think fat people (and all people) should accept themselves and demand to be treated with dignity. I believe that change happens most easily when you accept where you’re at and love yourself.

    Third, I like how you are trying to bring attention to the fact that HEALTHY fat people exist. DH is a healthy fat person, all his blood tests and cholesterol levels are normal and he is very strong and could probably outrun me. I love the picture of you in a backbend. I wish I could do that!

    I like VA’s blog when she’s talking about the crazy shit she’s done, but I wish she would be a little less judgmental. I think the real problem is that she can’t forgive HERSELF, which is really sad.

  46. Okay, I don’t know if anyone will read this, but I guess I’m wondering what you’re defining as “fat”. I’ve had such a distorted relationship with food that I really don’t know what “normal eating” is defined as, but even though I think someone could be my weight (200 lbs at 5’7”) regardless of exercise or food intake, I have to disagree that eating healthy and exercising will only make you lose weight if you’re binge eating. The human body just isn’t designed to be 300 pounds and stable, so if you have to be “dieting” to lose weight, something is probably medically wrong. Not that I’m saying that we should and can all be thin, just that I doubt anyone who is morbidly obese is exercising at least 30 minutes a day and eating normally. It depends on what you define as “fat”.

    The other thing I wanted to mention is that even though I know and YOU know that fat people aren’t always lazy slobs who invent pulley systems to go get more donuts (the brain power required would burn too many calories anyway) most people know at least ONE person who is fat because they are, well, fat and lazy. This usually shapes our opinions of fat people for the rest of our lives. Is it right? No way. But it is understandable.

  47. All right, Rina, I approved your comment because I don’t think you’re a troll, but you’re asking questions and making points that have been addressed multiple times on this blog. No, I don’t expect you to read the entire archive right now — and I really need to get around to making an faq — but I tell you that just to point out that I’m … weary.

    And it’s 5 in the morning, so I’m not going to answer this right now. Shapelings, feel free to answer Rina’s questions. Otherwise, I’ll get around to it later. And maybe today’s the day to write the fucking FAQ.

  48. Rina, first of all I would say that I question “the human body isn’t designed to be 300 lbs. and stable.” I don’t really think it is a question of “design” exactly, but for various reasons, probably including genetics, past dieting history, maybe other environmental factors, there are a lot of people who post here weighing 300 lbs. or more who are stable at that weight while eating normally. In fact as a person who has struggled with compulsive eating myself, that was one of the hardest things for me to grasp when I first came here. My experience actually does not appear to be that of the typical fat person. I think it is easier for thin people to believe that the average fat person eats far more than they do but research indicates that is just not true by and large. Kate’s link at the top to “Don’t You Realize Fat Is Unhealthy?” makes this point better and with citations and can be a good jumping-off point for further reading on this matter.

    There are a lot of complicated issues that come up with the whole original Dan Savage kerfuffle but I still think the main issue there is that he and other posters assumed that the letter-writer’s admission of not always making the best food choices, somehow amounted to her taking in thousands of calories per day and hitting the drive-thru three meals a day. Whereas if a thin person admitted to not always making the best choices, it would be taken at face value… not working out as regularly as he or she should, going to McDonald’s every so often, etc. Things everybody does because we’re not perfect. Or even if that thin person didn’t work out at all, and ate fast food regularly (and so many people of all sizes do) he or she would not be attacked as some kind of lazy immoral symbol of the downfall of American society, because he or she is thin and therefore obviously “good enough.” Others here have posted recently about how they were told at Weight Watchers that eating too many cough drops or carrots or whatever was why they were not losing weight. There is just a double standard in how much “slack” thin people are given for their eating and exercise habits, versus the nonexistent allowances that fat people are given for being, you know, imperfect and human.

    Deep down we all know that nobody can be expected to work out 7 days a week 52 weeks a year absolutely without fail… but I bet that as an overweight-BMI-category person, if I posted that I couldn’t lose weight and then posted in a separate discussion that I had been busy at work and only running, say, 3 days a week instead of my usual 4, I bet you $100 that somebody would tell me that my “slacking” was the reason I couldn’t lose. Whereas a thin person running 3 days a week would be considered by most people to be perfectly good and (in combination with a “reasonable” diet) adequate to maintain that thinness. Or if I posted that I had one big meal it would be self-evident to everyone that that was why I am fat, when in reality there is no way that one big meal can make you gain any measurable amount of weight. You know what I mean?

  49. The other thing I wanted to mention is that even though I know and YOU know that fat people aren’t always lazy slobs who invent pulley systems to go get more donuts (the brain power required would burn too many calories anyway) most people know at least ONE person who is fat because they are, well, fat and lazy.

    So… what you’re saying here, is that, even though fat people aren’t always lazy slobs, a lot of fat people are lazy slobs, because skinny people who know them think they are lazy slobs?

    I mean, I wont deny that I’m a slob and that I’m lazy, but I am confident that no matter how thin I was I would still be a slob and I would still be lazy. It’s not like there was never a slobby lazy skinny person on the face of this earth. College students across the country seem to exist only to prove this point.

    The thing is that because I am not only lazy and slobby but also FAT people are suddenly allowed to think all manner of bad things about me. Suddenly my ass has nearly fused itself to the couch and the only reason move is to get more donuts. I shouldn’t have kids, and I’ll never be able to hold down a job because I prefer to spend my Sunday afternoon watching TV and playing video games rather than scrubbing the kitchen floor for that last spec of bacteria.

    It doesn’t matter that plenty of non fat people share the same habits and diets as me. The fact that I’m a fat fat fat fattie must mean that I am somehow so much lazier than all those thin people. Otherwise, I’d be skinny, right? It has nothing to do with the fact that both of my parents are fat, and that their parents were fat, so on and forth. Maybe I should just accept that because I have fat genes, I’m going to have to spend my entire life working three times harder than thin people just to begin to be considered socially acceptable.

    Frankly, I’ll pass.

    I should say though that I think lazy people are an important part of society. Lazy people are necessary for technology to progress, because if it weren’t for lazy people no one would ever have invented the wheel, much less the Roomba. I don’t get when it became a crime to not want to engage in pointless unnecessary activity that serves only to prove to other people that you aren’t lazy.

  50. I don’t get when it became a crime to not want to engage in pointless unnecessary activity that serves only to prove to other people that you aren’t lazy.

    HAHAHAHAHA.

    My position on it is, hey, if you get off on going to the gym, great. But you don’t deserve a medal for it. (Not saying anyone here has that attitude, mind you, but we’ve all seen it elsewhere.) It’s not inherently a more noble activity than, say, taking care of a critically ill spouse, or spending all day on your feet moving hospital patients around, or doing volunteer work at an animal shelter, or whatever else leaves you too busy or tired or uninterested to walk on a treadmill.

  51. This usually shapes our opinions of fat people for the rest of our lives. Is it right? No way. But it is understandable.

    Hah. To paraphrase Keith Knight – “My uncle hates black people,but he has a good reason, because a black guy robbed him once.”

    Confirmation bias. Check it out.

  52. Thanks Sniper…That particular section caught my attention in a “WTF?” kind of way. It’s now acceptable to judge an entire group featuring a wide range of diverse personalities based on one bad experience?

    MLK is rolling in his grave.

  53. And, pssst, I think we all know at least one lazy skinny person, and yet strangely enough, there’s not a stereotype of skinny people being lazy. How strange!

  54. It’s now acceptable to judge an entire group featuring a wide range of diverse personalities based on one bad experience?

    Well, no. For example, it’s not okay for a woman to say, “I have men because I was raped as a child.” That’s just plain wrong! But otherwise, okay.

  55. Rina, my dear:

    The human body just isn’t designed to be 300 pounds and stable

    Well, I probably weight about 315. I’m fairly “stable,” whatever that means. I can walk and talk like a normal human being!

    I doubt anyone who is morbidly obese is exercising at least 30 minutes a day and eating normally. It depends on what you define as “fat”.

    Google “fat girl on a bike,” and get back to me. And by the way, do you happen to know all morbidly obese people on this planet? Do you know the genetics, background, and lifestyle habits of all these people? OK then. Do I even bother to tell you I’ve been fighting with my weight for 20+ years, with NO success? That all the yo-yo dieting I’ve done through the years has only gotten me to that 315 point?

    most people know at least ONE person who is fat because they are, well, fat and lazy. This usually shapes our opinions of fat people for the rest of our lives. Is it right? No way. But it is understandable.

    I know SEVERAL thin and normal sized people who are lazy and eat fast food. But yet, it’s OK to let that go? Just the fat people need to be picked on? It is NOT understandable to base an opinion on a WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE by ONE person you know. What, do you think all us fatties are monolithic in our eating and exercise habits? Give me a break.

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