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		<title>Comment on Getting to 101 by H.</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/10/20/getting-to-101/#comment-121273</link>
		<dc:creator>H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aleks,
         My response was the result of feeling that I&#039;d been slapped in the face with the &quot;Don&#039;t you want poor people to have insurance, you selfish bitches? &quot; argument that Kate Harding explicates in the Salon piece linked by fillyjonk (here it is again, since it&#039;s awhile upthread; don&#039;t know if others share my screen-overload tendencies: http://www.salon.com/life/broadsheet/feature/2009/11/10/stupak_stupidity). Your response indicated to me that, actually, you are not on the same page and didn&#039;t understand what was an issue to me; if someone contends that your position is the result of not having information, and sees fit to provide that information, calling it education, then I&#039;m not sure what&#039;s patronizing about that. I genuinely have appreciated having a space to hash out my arguments more clearly, and yes, thank you, I am capable of distinguishing between something accorded the status of an example and something taking over an entire argument. I have nothing against preventing and treating diabetes, given that my grandfather died of pancreatic cancer after 10 years of doctors failing to notice that he had diabetes.  And yes, further, I become extremely formal when stung and upset, which does tend to happen when someone starts listing medical conditions that I supposedly don&#039;t care about because I just want my silly little rights to be included.  I know you didn&#039;t say that; I am trying to explain that that is the logical ending place of your argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aleks,<br />
         My response was the result of feeling that I&#8217;d been slapped in the face with the &#8220;Don&#8217;t you want poor people to have insurance, you selfish bitches? &#8221; argument that Kate Harding explicates in the Salon piece linked by fillyjonk (here it is again, since it&#8217;s awhile upthread; don&#8217;t know if others share my screen-overload tendencies: <a href="http://www.salon.com/life/broadsheet/feature/2009/11/10/stupak_stupidity)" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/life/broadsheet/feature/2009/11/10/stupak_stupidity)</a>. Your response indicated to me that, actually, you are not on the same page and didn&#8217;t understand what was an issue to me; if someone contends that your position is the result of not having information, and sees fit to provide that information, calling it education, then I&#8217;m not sure what&#8217;s patronizing about that. I genuinely have appreciated having a space to hash out my arguments more clearly, and yes, thank you, I am capable of distinguishing between something accorded the status of an example and something taking over an entire argument. I have nothing against preventing and treating diabetes, given that my grandfather died of pancreatic cancer after 10 years of doctors failing to notice that he had diabetes.  And yes, further, I become extremely formal when stung and upset, which does tend to happen when someone starts listing medical conditions that I supposedly don&#8217;t care about because I just want my silly little rights to be included.  I know you didn&#8217;t say that; I am trying to explain that that is the logical ending place of your argument.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Getting to 101 by Starling</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/10/20/getting-to-101/#comment-121272</link>
		<dc:creator>Starling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aleks--
I do think that the most expensive and the most necessary medical abortions would no longer be covered for women who need them, many of whom may have insurance but still can&#039;t whip out 20% of their yearly income to pay for them.  It&#039;s not the Planned Parenthood first-trimester abortions that are financially catastrophic, it&#039;s the ones that are the result of other major medical issues or fetal abnormalities (which get pretty pricey already, even with insurance.)  No one thinks about this stuff, at least until you&#039;re expecting and all the sudden you&#039;re hit with the realization of all the horrible things that can go wrong.

What happens when they do?  When you find out at 17 weeks that you need a genetic screening because they saw something funny on the ultrasound?  When you wait, hoping against hope, until the 21st or 22nd week, when they can say for sure?  And when that news is bad, what then?  It&#039;s $7,000 out of pocket to pay one of the few specialists in the US who will do a late-term abortion.

And even if you can afford to pay $200 a month to your credit card for the next decade, who needs to be confronting the ultrasound that destroys all your dreams of fluffy lambs and nursery decorations, and then realize that the money you thought you were going to put in that baby&#039;s college fund is actually going to pay for the abortion, because goddamned Bart goddamned Stupak thinks that ending this pregnancy will send you to hell, instead of just ending the hell you&#039;ve been living in since you found out?

I get that this is a politically touchy subject, but there are reasons for that.  Everyone&#039;s been ignoring the realities of abortions that really do need to be covered by insurance, but that reality has nothing to do with heartless college kids who can&#039;t be bothered to use condoms.

Last week, my six-month-old nephew had three hours of surgery to repair a kidney problem they discovered when my sister was in her second trimester.  There will be another major surgery within the next six months.  And we were lucky.  We dodged a bullet there.  The kidney can be fixed, and even if it can&#039;t, he&#039;s got another one.  But many women don&#039;t have that happy ending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aleks&#8211;<br />
I do think that the most expensive and the most necessary medical abortions would no longer be covered for women who need them, many of whom may have insurance but still can&#8217;t whip out 20% of their yearly income to pay for them.  It&#8217;s not the Planned Parenthood first-trimester abortions that are financially catastrophic, it&#8217;s the ones that are the result of other major medical issues or fetal abnormalities (which get pretty pricey already, even with insurance.)  No one thinks about this stuff, at least until you&#8217;re expecting and all the sudden you&#8217;re hit with the realization of all the horrible things that can go wrong.</p>
<p>What happens when they do?  When you find out at 17 weeks that you need a genetic screening because they saw something funny on the ultrasound?  When you wait, hoping against hope, until the 21st or 22nd week, when they can say for sure?  And when that news is bad, what then?  It&#8217;s $7,000 out of pocket to pay one of the few specialists in the US who will do a late-term abortion.</p>
<p>And even if you can afford to pay $200 a month to your credit card for the next decade, who needs to be confronting the ultrasound that destroys all your dreams of fluffy lambs and nursery decorations, and then realize that the money you thought you were going to put in that baby&#8217;s college fund is actually going to pay for the abortion, because goddamned Bart goddamned Stupak thinks that ending this pregnancy will send you to hell, instead of just ending the hell you&#8217;ve been living in since you found out?</p>
<p>I get that this is a politically touchy subject, but there are reasons for that.  Everyone&#8217;s been ignoring the realities of abortions that really do need to be covered by insurance, but that reality has nothing to do with heartless college kids who can&#8217;t be bothered to use condoms.</p>
<p>Last week, my six-month-old nephew had three hours of surgery to repair a kidney problem they discovered when my sister was in her second trimester.  There will be another major surgery within the next six months.  And we were lucky.  We dodged a bullet there.  The kidney can be fixed, and even if it can&#8217;t, he&#8217;s got another one.  But many women don&#8217;t have that happy ending.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Weekly Wish List by Jae</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/11/16/weekly-wish-list/#comment-121271</link>
		<dc:creator>Jae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You can connect these two stories. The way you feel about yourself informs what gifts from others you allow yourself to accept. &lt;/i&gt;

This is one of the most profound statements I&#039;ve ever heard.

I often feel as if my identity can be summed up as &quot;the girl who isn&#039;t noticed.&quot;  Lately, it has bothered me...no, scratch that, it has always bothered me, but lately I have wanted to demand more.  And that can be so fucking scary, because what if I become open to accepting the attention (friendship/comradery/praise/what have you) only to find out that no one actually wants to give it?  Then I will be embarrassed and the world will be horrible and nobody likes me, everybody hates me, I might as well eat worms...

But maybe I just need to be open to accepting these things from myself and putting these things out in the world.

Thanks for making me think!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You can connect these two stories. The way you feel about yourself informs what gifts from others you allow yourself to accept. </i></p>
<p>This is one of the most profound statements I&#8217;ve ever heard.</p>
<p>I often feel as if my identity can be summed up as &#8220;the girl who isn&#8217;t noticed.&#8221;  Lately, it has bothered me&#8230;no, scratch that, it has always bothered me, but lately I have wanted to demand more.  And that can be so fucking scary, because what if I become open to accepting the attention (friendship/comradery/praise/what have you) only to find out that no one actually wants to give it?  Then I will be embarrassed and the world will be horrible and nobody likes me, everybody hates me, I might as well eat worms&#8230;</p>
<p>But maybe I just need to be open to accepting these things from myself and putting these things out in the world.</p>
<p>Thanks for making me think!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Getting to 101 by aleks</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/10/20/getting-to-101/#comment-121270</link>
		<dc:creator>aleks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Starling,
I don&#039;t disagree, but we may in fact have such a shitty political climate. I was not trying to convince anyone to support HCR that&#039;s been Stupaked up, but responding to H&#039;s need to begin educating me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Starling,<br />
I don&#8217;t disagree, but we may in fact have such a shitty political climate. I was not trying to convince anyone to support HCR that&#8217;s been Stupaked up, but responding to H&#8217;s need to begin educating me.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Weekly Wish List by Anita</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/11/16/weekly-wish-list/#comment-121269</link>
		<dc:creator>Anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Pass O-Chem.&quot;
And let&#039;s add &quot;Try to find beauty in the mystery of oxidation.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pass O-Chem.&#8221;<br />
And let&#8217;s add &#8220;Try to find beauty in the mystery of oxidation.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Weekly Wish List by Lady D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lady D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I start each day with one goal: &quot;Be kind to yourself.&quot; I don&#039;t always succeed, but it helps to remind myself all the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I start each day with one goal: &#8220;Be kind to yourself.&#8221; I don&#8217;t always succeed, but it helps to remind myself all the same.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Getting to 101 by Starling</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/10/20/getting-to-101/#comment-121267</link>
		<dc:creator>Starling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FJ--That&#039;s a great analogy!  Stupak deliberately did not use the &quot;medical necessity&quot; phrasing which usually draws the line between elective and necessary treatment, since there is a perception by the anti-abortion-rights movement that &quot;medical necessity&quot; is used as a catch-all to justify abortion on demand.  Which just blows my mind.  Since, as you point out, there are plenty of doctors who make their livings off elective surgeries and still don&#039;t seem inclined to get crazy with the rhinoplasty and then submit for insurance reimbursement.  Anyone here know any ob/gyns in the real world who say to their pregnant patients, &quot;Hey, have you considered aborting this pregnancy?  I can get your insurance to cover it!&quot;  Or, indeed, any women who sit around thinking, &quot;Well, I can use the Pill, but abortion only has a $35 copay under my new plan!&quot; 


H--Go to town, use it anywhere.  It&#039;s a bit sputtery still, since the indignation tends to get the better of my writing skills, but I&#039;d be delighted to have it spread around.  


Aleks--There ought not be a political climate in which we have to make this choice.  It&#039;s appalling that women&#039;s issues and women&#039;s healthcare have become nothing but a bargaining chip for the powerful to throw away.  I feel like fucking Czechoslovakia in 1938.  Whatever happened to throwing in a bridge or two and a military base to satisfy the reluctant allies?  

If we could only approve a health care plan that excluded people suffering from mental health issues, say, or left out unmarried people, or didn&#039;t provide health care for children born of unwed parents, we might cover a bunch of previously uninsured people but the pragmatic success of the plan would not justify its moral failure.  The Stupak Amendment is not okay because it deprives women of necessary medical coverage in order to appease a highly vocal minority of religious extremists.  It shouldn&#039;t be okay for Democrats to throw women under the bus just because they can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FJ&#8211;That&#8217;s a great analogy!  Stupak deliberately did not use the &#8220;medical necessity&#8221; phrasing which usually draws the line between elective and necessary treatment, since there is a perception by the anti-abortion-rights movement that &#8220;medical necessity&#8221; is used as a catch-all to justify abortion on demand.  Which just blows my mind.  Since, as you point out, there are plenty of doctors who make their livings off elective surgeries and still don&#8217;t seem inclined to get crazy with the rhinoplasty and then submit for insurance reimbursement.  Anyone here know any ob/gyns in the real world who say to their pregnant patients, &#8220;Hey, have you considered aborting this pregnancy?  I can get your insurance to cover it!&#8221;  Or, indeed, any women who sit around thinking, &#8220;Well, I can use the Pill, but abortion only has a $35 copay under my new plan!&#8221; </p>
<p>H&#8211;Go to town, use it anywhere.  It&#8217;s a bit sputtery still, since the indignation tends to get the better of my writing skills, but I&#8217;d be delighted to have it spread around.  </p>
<p>Aleks&#8211;There ought not be a political climate in which we have to make this choice.  It&#8217;s appalling that women&#8217;s issues and women&#8217;s healthcare have become nothing but a bargaining chip for the powerful to throw away.  I feel like fucking Czechoslovakia in 1938.  Whatever happened to throwing in a bridge or two and a military base to satisfy the reluctant allies?  </p>
<p>If we could only approve a health care plan that excluded people suffering from mental health issues, say, or left out unmarried people, or didn&#8217;t provide health care for children born of unwed parents, we might cover a bunch of previously uninsured people but the pragmatic success of the plan would not justify its moral failure.  The Stupak Amendment is not okay because it deprives women of necessary medical coverage in order to appease a highly vocal minority of religious extremists.  It shouldn&#8217;t be okay for Democrats to throw women under the bus just because they can.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Welcome, Snarky&#8217;s Machine! by Anita</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/11/14/welcome-snarkys-machine/#comment-121266</link>
		<dc:creator>Anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hot fucking awesome with extra buttered awesome and a pony on top.

This has made my day.</description>
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<p>This has made my day.</p>
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		<title>Comment on State of the Prose by Anita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the blog, and I&#039;m glad it&#039;s not concrete clad and unchangeable.  Y&#039;all are awesome, and some of the recent feminist threads have been awesomer than awesome.  I never quite got the Voice of Authority thing - even Neil Gaiman&#039;s blog isn&#039;t the Voice of Authority, and I love him and his dog like whoa.

And I realized you couldn&#039;t be all things to me when I was building my trellises all alone and not &lt;i&gt;one&lt;/i&gt; of the main bloggers showed to help hold things and bring me a glass of iced tea.  It broke my heart, but I&#039;m getting over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the blog, and I&#8217;m glad it&#8217;s not concrete clad and unchangeable.  Y&#8217;all are awesome, and some of the recent feminist threads have been awesomer than awesome.  I never quite got the Voice of Authority thing &#8211; even Neil Gaiman&#8217;s blog isn&#8217;t the Voice of Authority, and I love him and his dog like whoa.</p>
<p>And I realized you couldn&#8217;t be all things to me when I was building my trellises all alone and not <i>one</i> of the main bloggers showed to help hold things and bring me a glass of iced tea.  It broke my heart, but I&#8217;m getting over it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Weekly Wish List by Quiet Dreams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quiet Dreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The way you feel about yourself informs what gifts from others you allow yourself to accept. &quot;

Love this.  I may tattoo it on my forehead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The way you feel about yourself informs what gifts from others you allow yourself to accept. &#8221;</p>
<p>Love this.  I may tattoo it on my forehead.</p>
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