Fashion to me is getting clothing that makes you look and feel good. Fashion to me is having people of all sizes getting those couple of outfits that just POP and make people go “DANG!! SHE LOOKS GOOD!!!!” Fashion to me is being comfortable to do what the exclusionary fashionistas tell you not to do: Show off areas that “aren’t supposed to be shown” such as arms, legs, etc.

So you don’t know how to “step back and be quiet”. Good to know. There was really no need for any of your response, particularly since all i wanted to hear was you apology to Redlami for being such a ableist bigot with all your privilege chow chow, which I’m sure seemed amusing while you were performing it but has put you squarely on my shit list.

Snarkys, I’m sorry. I feel like we’re talking past each other here. It seems as if, when there’s a fashion post, someone always jumps in and says, “Stop talking about this, because it doesn’t fix things for Group X.” (Last time, it was Patsy Nevins, and Kate answered her.) It bothers me because it seems pretty clear to me: yeah, one conversation is not all conversations, and this blog is an ongoing conversation which does not exclude any particular group*. And, of course, because no one claimed that Crystal Renn or Tavi is the great liberator of women.

Seriously. You’re conflating my contribution with Patsy Nevins. Wow, shutting up is like this really hard thing for you. It must be hard not always be engaged in privilege chow chow.

(BTW, I’d be grateful if people would call me out on the ableist language or arguments in my comments. Snarkys, you’ve said already you have no desire to, so this is a general request–anyone is welcome to step up and reeducate me. I hate putting the foot in the mouth because of unexamined privilege.)

Wow, did you miss the part where marginalized people don’t have to explain themselves when YOU screw up.

I don’t need you to explain, since you’re unable to just apologize without being passive aggressive. And since you’re rather hard headed, LET ME SAY AGAIN, AS A MOD, YOU NEED TO STEP THE FUCK BACK AND STOP SUCKING ALL THE OXYGEN out of the conversation. And if you think Kate should shut me up, then come out and say it and stop being so annoyingly passive aggressive.

I want to have the conversation about the ways in which this particular event is of no value to some women because it relies on privilege that they don’t have. I want to have a conversation about ways in which we can change the fashion/beauty standards of a deeply sexist and racist and ageist and homophobic and transphobic society. I think analysis of these incremental changes is one way to have these conversations.

But that wasn’t the conversation I saw; what I saw seemed to doubt either the basic decency or the competence of those who praise incremental changes in general. And it seemed like a reprise of an earlier conversation, intended to shut people up instead of contribute. That’s my context. I apologize for places it veered into rudeness rather than robust disagreement.

(BTW, I’d be grateful if people would call me out on the ableist language or arguments in my comments. Snarkys, you’ve said already you have no desire to, so this is a general request–anyone is welcome to step up and reeducate me. I hate putting the foot in the mouth because of unexamined privilege.)

*If it does, then that’s legit criticism.

You get the idea. What struck me is that were Tavi a plump little girl, she wouldn’t fit the norms of fashion, and I doubt her funky thrift store aesthetic would be recognized as a love of fashion (I’d be willing to bet that it would be seen as a bitter rejection of it, instead.)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2010/jan/30/fat-fashion-blogs