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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Nuther Quick Hit: Nate Silver Temporarily Suspends Mathematical Rigor</title>
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		<title>By: brookswift</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sad to hear about the bad math teacher you had. As someone with a bad case of &#039;the maths&#039;, it&#039;s always painful to hear about bad math teachers discouraging students. Most people I&#039;ve talked to who don&#039;t like math can trace it back to a single bad teacher which ruined the subject for them such that they never caught up or returned.

Funny story though, my high school calculus teacher would always tell us stories about how her calculus professor hated women in math and continually discouraged her, but it just egged her on. She ended up at the top of her class. The sad irony is that she ended up having a permanent grudge against her male students.

On a side note, aren&#039;t politicians, mayors, and the like traditionally ridiculed &lt;i&gt;for&lt;/i&gt; their stereotypical obesity (along with the corporate &#039;fat cats&#039;)? Just look at all the political cartoons from the turn of the 20th century.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sad to hear about the bad math teacher you had. As someone with a bad case of &#8216;the maths&#8217;, it&#8217;s always painful to hear about bad math teachers discouraging students. Most people I&#8217;ve talked to who don&#8217;t like math can trace it back to a single bad teacher which ruined the subject for them such that they never caught up or returned.</p>
<p>Funny story though, my high school calculus teacher would always tell us stories about how her calculus professor hated women in math and continually discouraged her, but it just egged her on. She ended up at the top of her class. The sad irony is that she ended up having a permanent grudge against her male students.</p>
<p>On a side note, aren&#8217;t politicians, mayors, and the like traditionally ridiculed <i>for</i> their stereotypical obesity (along with the corporate &#8216;fat cats&#8217;)? Just look at all the political cartoons from the turn of the 20th century.</p>
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		<title>By: Tapetum</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 05:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My eighth grade math teacher was ferociously difficult, but amazing. She taught Regents&#039; (honors for NY state) algebra. This older lady with a glare that could peel varnish if you set foot out of line, a knack for explaining, and no patience with shenanigans. When we went to the Regents&#039; exams at the end of the year, every student finished in the minimum time (90 minutes - it&#039;s a 3 hour test), and 22 of the 25 of us had 100%. The low score was a 95.

Possibly the proudest moment of my school career was when she recommended that I be accelerated another half-year in math. If Mrs. Philbin thought I was good at math, I must be good at math.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My eighth grade math teacher was ferociously difficult, but amazing. She taught Regents&#8217; (honors for NY state) algebra. This older lady with a glare that could peel varnish if you set foot out of line, a knack for explaining, and no patience with shenanigans. When we went to the Regents&#8217; exams at the end of the year, every student finished in the minimum time (90 minutes &#8211; it&#8217;s a 3 hour test), and 22 of the 25 of us had 100%. The low score was a 95.</p>
<p>Possibly the proudest moment of my school career was when she recommended that I be accelerated another half-year in math. If Mrs. Philbin thought I was good at math, I must be good at math.</p>
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		<title>By: Emma B</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emma B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A little late here, but I was thinking I should share my happy male professor story. 

Before my first two babies were born, I had finished the coursework for a master&#039;s in computer science, but had not done my thesis project or taken my comprehensive exams. By the time they were a year old, I told my department head that I thought perhaps I should just drop out of the program.  I didn&#039;t (and don&#039;t) think I&#039;ll ever go back to full-time job hunting where it will help my resume, and I was beginning to despair that I&#039;d ever get it done in the required time.

He told me that he&#039;d always regretted letting a former female student in a similar position give up and quit, that he wasn&#039;t about to see me do so, and that he&#039;d help me work out the necessary schedule and policy exemptions to get it done. More importantly, he gave me the encouragement I needed to stick it out the rest of the way -- not just for myself, but to be an example for the next new mother or female student who was ready to drop out.

I graduated in May.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little late here, but I was thinking I should share my happy male professor story. </p>
<p>Before my first two babies were born, I had finished the coursework for a master&#8217;s in computer science, but had not done my thesis project or taken my comprehensive exams. By the time they were a year old, I told my department head that I thought perhaps I should just drop out of the program.  I didn&#8217;t (and don&#8217;t) think I&#8217;ll ever go back to full-time job hunting where it will help my resume, and I was beginning to despair that I&#8217;d ever get it done in the required time.</p>
<p>He told me that he&#8217;d always regretted letting a former female student in a similar position give up and quit, that he wasn&#8217;t about to see me do so, and that he&#8217;d help me work out the necessary schedule and policy exemptions to get it done. More importantly, he gave me the encouragement I needed to stick it out the rest of the way &#8212; not just for myself, but to be an example for the next new mother or female student who was ready to drop out.</p>
<p>I graduated in May.</p>
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		<title>By: wriggles</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Meems and Eucritta, 

So glad I&#039;m not the only one.

Nineveh_uk 

&lt;i&gt;Why is Dawkins obliged to be “nice” to people he thinks are wrong.&lt;/i&gt;

I hadn&#039;t noticed that he wasn&#039;t nice. I just think he&#039;s an ass.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meems and Eucritta, </p>
<p>So glad I&#8217;m not the only one.</p>
<p>Nineveh_uk </p>
<p><i>Why is Dawkins obliged to be “nice” to people he thinks are wrong.</i></p>
<p>I hadn&#8217;t noticed that he wasn&#8217;t nice. I just think he&#8217;s an ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura M</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laura M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a sad math teacher story.

My 9th grade algebra teacher was awful - disconnected, bruque, uninterested if anyone had a problem, and as a mathematically challenged (I reverse numbers, and can&#039;t visualize well) person, I drowned.  I failed the class completely, and didn&#039;t even know it until I arrived for year two, when he expressed surprise that I was there.

He committed suicide later that year - it turned out that he was clinically depressed, and was unable to even give a damn.  That and the alcoholic english teacher I had the same year (put vodka in a 2 litre 7up bottl and finished the entire bottle by the end of the day), put me off school entirely.

I&#039;m almost completely self-educated.  Ironically, I love learning, and I&#039;m a pretty good teacher (I volunteer teach).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a sad math teacher story.</p>
<p>My 9th grade algebra teacher was awful &#8211; disconnected, bruque, uninterested if anyone had a problem, and as a mathematically challenged (I reverse numbers, and can&#8217;t visualize well) person, I drowned.  I failed the class completely, and didn&#8217;t even know it until I arrived for year two, when he expressed surprise that I was there.</p>
<p>He committed suicide later that year &#8211; it turned out that he was clinically depressed, and was unable to even give a damn.  That and the alcoholic english teacher I had the same year (put vodka in a 2 litre 7up bottl and finished the entire bottle by the end of the day), put me off school entirely.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m almost completely self-educated.  Ironically, I love learning, and I&#8217;m a pretty good teacher (I volunteer teach).</p>
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		<title>By: Nineveh_uk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nineveh_uk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why is Dawkins obliged to be “nice” to people he thinks are wrong any more than feminists are obliged to be nice to the 14 millioneth man who drops in to say “Yes, but have you thought about X? Maybe if you weren’t so hostile etc.” Dawkins thinks that people who believe in supernatural deities are misguided at best, because supernatural deities do not exist. He has no obligation to pussyfoot around that because people don&#039;t like being called stupid when he thinks that _are_ stupid. There&#039;s plenty of religious people to stand up against their extremist brethren from that perspective if they want to, without requiring Dawkins to mind his mouth when he talks about the ultra-nutters in case someone who is &quot;nice&quot; gets caught in the crossfire.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is Dawkins obliged to be “nice” to people he thinks are wrong any more than feminists are obliged to be nice to the 14 millioneth man who drops in to say “Yes, but have you thought about X? Maybe if you weren’t so hostile etc.” Dawkins thinks that people who believe in supernatural deities are misguided at best, because supernatural deities do not exist. He has no obligation to pussyfoot around that because people don&#8217;t like being called stupid when he thinks that _are_ stupid. There&#8217;s plenty of religious people to stand up against their extremist brethren from that perspective if they want to, without requiring Dawkins to mind his mouth when he talks about the ultra-nutters in case someone who is &#8220;nice&#8221; gets caught in the crossfire.</p>
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		<title>By: Jezebella</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jezebella]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Y&#039;all, I tried to turn the conversation over there to gender, and all I got was crickets, and a lot of fat jokes.   I&#039;ve never read comments over there, and plan to never do so again.  It&#039;s like being in a roomful of 12-year-old boys.  Criminy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y&#8217;all, I tried to turn the conversation over there to gender, and all I got was crickets, and a lot of fat jokes.   I&#8217;ve never read comments over there, and plan to never do so again.  It&#8217;s like being in a roomful of 12-year-old boys.  Criminy.</p>
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		<title>By: Grafton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grafton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m about the same height as aleks.

I recommend poking them with an umbrella. The long kind with the spike on the top. It will unnerve them more than shaking, and it gives you a three foot head-start in the event of it failing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m about the same height as aleks.</p>
<p>I recommend poking them with an umbrella. The long kind with the spike on the top. It will unnerve them more than shaking, and it gives you a three foot head-start in the event of it failing.</p>
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		<title>By: raven</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[raven]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[on the math front... i had a teacher in 5th grade that literally tried to make his students cry by insulting them. as far as i can remember, though, he was an equal opportunity abuser. nobody was safe. and my freshman (and then again junior) year math teacher was a jerk as well. i can&#039;t remember if it was just the girls or if he was also an equal opportunity jerk. but i&#039;ve basically avoided and feared math since 5th grade. none of my math teachers were particularly encouraging to me. and now, i&#039;m finally having to face math and science head-on b/c i want to get into cardiac sonography. i&#039;m terrified. memories of being ridiculed until i cried for not having the right answer still haunt me at the age of (almost, in 2 weeks) 37. your math teacher and my math teachers can suck it. math classes ought to be for learning math, not terrorizing kids.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on the math front&#8230; i had a teacher in 5th grade that literally tried to make his students cry by insulting them. as far as i can remember, though, he was an equal opportunity abuser. nobody was safe. and my freshman (and then again junior) year math teacher was a jerk as well. i can&#8217;t remember if it was just the girls or if he was also an equal opportunity jerk. but i&#8217;ve basically avoided and feared math since 5th grade. none of my math teachers were particularly encouraging to me. and now, i&#8217;m finally having to face math and science head-on b/c i want to get into cardiac sonography. i&#8217;m terrified. memories of being ridiculed until i cried for not having the right answer still haunt me at the age of (almost, in 2 weeks) 37. your math teacher and my math teachers can suck it. math classes ought to be for learning math, not terrorizing kids.</p>
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		<title>By: aleks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aleks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll have the Bio teacher Frankenstein me up one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll have the Bio teacher Frankenstein me up one.</p>
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