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		<title>By: Janine deManda</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/09/24/high-five-a-gay-kid-today/#comment-126224</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, also belated and feeling a bit of a doof about it, but I absolutely want to say THANK YOU!  THANK YOU! and ya know, THANK YOU! to the wondermous contributors/moderators and fantabulous commentariat here at Shapely Prose!  After stumbling across a link to a piece here a few months back, I&#039;ve become an avid reader {though mostly by copying pieces into Word and reading them in fits and starts due to limited online reading time}.  Ya&#039;ll are just - I&#039;m at a loss and wish I could come up with praise eloquent enough for the praise page, but I&#039;ll settle for AWESOME and try not to get too severe a case of 80s flashbacks . . .

oh, and ps I love my monster!  While reading, I&#039;ve often wondered what my monster would look like if I ever actually posted, and it&#039;s perfect - all purple and dragony!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, also belated and feeling a bit of a doof about it, but I absolutely want to say THANK YOU!  THANK YOU! and ya know, THANK YOU! to the wondermous contributors/moderators and fantabulous commentariat here at Shapely Prose!  After stumbling across a link to a piece here a few months back, I&#8217;ve become an avid reader {though mostly by copying pieces into Word and reading them in fits and starts due to limited online reading time}.  Ya&#8217;ll are just &#8211; I&#8217;m at a loss and wish I could come up with praise eloquent enough for the praise page, but I&#8217;ll settle for AWESOME and try not to get too severe a case of 80s flashbacks . . .</p>
<p>oh, and ps I love my monster!  While reading, I&#8217;ve often wondered what my monster would look like if I ever actually posted, and it&#8217;s perfect &#8211; all purple and dragony!</p>
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		<title>By: Janine deManda</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/09/24/high-five-a-gay-kid-today/#comment-126217</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, so I&#039;m several months late on this, but I&#039;ve been lurking and reading for those months, just got to this thread, and felt compelled to represent for femmes of every age:  all-things-pink-and-princess is not mutually exclusive with queerness in a female-bodied person.  Brazen Femme:  Queering Femininity is an excellent place to begin exploring that, but there are a ton of other books and sites on the topic, too.  I hope this doesn&#039;t seem didactic; I just feel strongly about this issue &#039;cuz I spent years feeling like I couldn&#039;t be both feminine and strong or both feminine and queer {thankyouverymuch, gender essentialism}, and my sanity was saved by the femme-tastic writings of Joan Nestle, Minnie Bruce Pratt, Leslea Newman, Jewelle Gomez, Amber Hollibaugh, Dorothy Allison, and so many more including the contributors to the Brazen Femme anthology.

As to the OP, I, too, am an older queer ecstatic that younger folks have so much more to work with as they explore their sexualities and identities!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so I&#8217;m several months late on this, but I&#8217;ve been lurking and reading for those months, just got to this thread, and felt compelled to represent for femmes of every age:  all-things-pink-and-princess is not mutually exclusive with queerness in a female-bodied person.  Brazen Femme:  Queering Femininity is an excellent place to begin exploring that, but there are a ton of other books and sites on the topic, too.  I hope this doesn&#8217;t seem didactic; I just feel strongly about this issue &#8216;cuz I spent years feeling like I couldn&#8217;t be both feminine and strong or both feminine and queer {thankyouverymuch, gender essentialism}, and my sanity was saved by the femme-tastic writings of Joan Nestle, Minnie Bruce Pratt, Leslea Newman, Jewelle Gomez, Amber Hollibaugh, Dorothy Allison, and so many more including the contributors to the Brazen Femme anthology.</p>
<p>As to the OP, I, too, am an older queer ecstatic that younger folks have so much more to work with as they explore their sexualities and identities!</p>
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		<title>By: meanderwithme</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/09/24/high-five-a-gay-kid-today/#comment-111706</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 04:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow -- late to this conversation, but how cool.  In sexual terms, I suppose I&#039;m fairly conventional (though, I still find myself rediscovering my own sexuality and attempting to remove &quot;male gaze&quot; from the equation).  Where your post jumped up and grabbed me was this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;When we accept that the categories we’re accustomed to are not best described as X and not-X (straight and not straight, thin and not-thin, etc.) but as X and Y and probably Z too, we see that X was only considered “normal” because it was important to people who are X to view it that way. When we look from a standpoint of celebrating human diversity, it seems bizarre to think of Z as abnormal or the “opposite” of X: Z is its own way of being.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This applies to me where religion is concerned.  I started to question the existence of a god(s) in 2005, and by 2006 finally admitted to myself that I simply didn&#039;t believe.  The binary scale has been SO prevalent with religion in most of my experience -- you&#039;re Christian, or non-Christian.  So, as an atheist, it&#039;s easy for people I know (especially contacts via my uber-conservative family) to oversimplify atheism as anti-God.  Nope, not against god...just don&#039;t think it applies.

Anyway, I try to expose my children (5 and 18 months) to ideas as often as possible.  It seems highly unlikely that my all-things-pink-and-princess daughter would ever turn out to be anything except straight, but if she is, I want her to understand that her mom will celebrate WHO SHE IS, no matter what.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8212; late to this conversation, but how cool.  In sexual terms, I suppose I&#8217;m fairly conventional (though, I still find myself rediscovering my own sexuality and attempting to remove &#8220;male gaze&#8221; from the equation).  Where your post jumped up and grabbed me was this:</p>
<blockquote><p>When we accept that the categories we’re accustomed to are not best described as X and not-X (straight and not straight, thin and not-thin, etc.) but as X and Y and probably Z too, we see that X was only considered “normal” because it was important to people who are X to view it that way. When we look from a standpoint of celebrating human diversity, it seems bizarre to think of Z as abnormal or the “opposite” of X: Z is its own way of being.</p></blockquote>
<p>This applies to me where religion is concerned.  I started to question the existence of a god(s) in 2005, and by 2006 finally admitted to myself that I simply didn&#8217;t believe.  The binary scale has been SO prevalent with religion in most of my experience &#8212; you&#8217;re Christian, or non-Christian.  So, as an atheist, it&#8217;s easy for people I know (especially contacts via my uber-conservative family) to oversimplify atheism as anti-God.  Nope, not against god&#8230;just don&#8217;t think it applies.</p>
<p>Anyway, I try to expose my children (5 and 18 months) to ideas as often as possible.  It seems highly unlikely that my all-things-pink-and-princess daughter would ever turn out to be anything except straight, but if she is, I want her to understand that her mom will celebrate WHO SHE IS, no matter what.</p>
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		<title>By: nathan</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/09/24/high-five-a-gay-kid-today/#comment-111659</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I loved the NYT article...  am also quite jealous... even as I am dismayed... 

Jealous... in that they don&#039;t have to hide their sexuality from their peers anymore... 

Dismayed... in that kids these days can&#039;t seem to interact without hiding behind texting on their cell phones... 

It feels like a double edged sword,  life is out there and can be accessed freely.  Yet so many kids are unable to have normal conversations with people who are more than two weeks older or younger than they are....  freedom in some parts of life opens, even as it splinters into smaller and smaller subsets of humans being able to interact... 

I attended junior high between 1975  and 1977 in the deepest part of the bible belt of Virginia.  I had a pretty decent time of it all, but my gay side lay deeply hidden. By that age my sexual interactions were mostly with much older men.  Society would label them predators today, while I still consider them saviours... 

I don&#039;t think anything has changed much in the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia since I left in 1984.

Personally,  I recollect no possibility of having sex with the many young men I found attractive in junior and senior high.  I knew the story of a kid at a neighboring school being killed after making a pass at a classmate. Our teachers were also openly hostile whenever subject matter inadvertently brought homosexuality into discussion... I still recollect an otherwise favorite teacher getting irate when boys snickered at the use of the word gay... 

Not because we should be sensitive to gay people... but &quot;because the word has been stolen and appropriated by sickness and evil depravity&quot; 

I  was deathly afraid of being discovered by the wrong sort of classmates.  Even though I had been sexually active with many of the same classmates in elementary school,  by junior high they all had girlfriends.  We no longer even dared share glances in the hallways.  Every once in a while one of them would find me... when they were between girlfriends, or wanted something their girlfriends might have grossed out about... 

I always obliged... reveling in the brief moment we&#039;d  have to enjoy each others company... but never in a million years could I have imagined talking about &quot;our special relationship&quot; ... much less dating any of them openly...  as far as I know, they are all married with children now... 

I am happy things are changing... I also love Kera&#039;s mom...  how I wish mine had been remotely like her... mine was positively evil...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved the NYT article&#8230;  am also quite jealous&#8230; even as I am dismayed&#8230; </p>
<p>Jealous&#8230; in that they don&#8217;t have to hide their sexuality from their peers anymore&#8230; </p>
<p>Dismayed&#8230; in that kids these days can&#8217;t seem to interact without hiding behind texting on their cell phones&#8230; </p>
<p>It feels like a double edged sword,  life is out there and can be accessed freely.  Yet so many kids are unable to have normal conversations with people who are more than two weeks older or younger than they are&#8230;.  freedom in some parts of life opens, even as it splinters into smaller and smaller subsets of humans being able to interact&#8230; </p>
<p>I attended junior high between 1975  and 1977 in the deepest part of the bible belt of Virginia.  I had a pretty decent time of it all, but my gay side lay deeply hidden. By that age my sexual interactions were mostly with much older men.  Society would label them predators today, while I still consider them saviours&#8230; </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anything has changed much in the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia since I left in 1984.</p>
<p>Personally,  I recollect no possibility of having sex with the many young men I found attractive in junior and senior high.  I knew the story of a kid at a neighboring school being killed after making a pass at a classmate. Our teachers were also openly hostile whenever subject matter inadvertently brought homosexuality into discussion&#8230; I still recollect an otherwise favorite teacher getting irate when boys snickered at the use of the word gay&#8230; </p>
<p>Not because we should be sensitive to gay people&#8230; but &#8220;because the word has been stolen and appropriated by sickness and evil depravity&#8221; </p>
<p>I  was deathly afraid of being discovered by the wrong sort of classmates.  Even though I had been sexually active with many of the same classmates in elementary school,  by junior high they all had girlfriends.  We no longer even dared share glances in the hallways.  Every once in a while one of them would find me&#8230; when they were between girlfriends, or wanted something their girlfriends might have grossed out about&#8230; </p>
<p>I always obliged&#8230; reveling in the brief moment we&#8217;d  have to enjoy each others company&#8230; but never in a million years could I have imagined talking about &#8220;our special relationship&#8221; &#8230; much less dating any of them openly&#8230;  as far as I know, they are all married with children now&#8230; </p>
<p>I am happy things are changing&#8230; I also love Kera&#8217;s mom&#8230;  how I wish mine had been remotely like her&#8230; mine was positively evil&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: WildlyParenthetical</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/09/24/high-five-a-gay-kid-today/#comment-111603</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It *needed* clarifying, SM ;-P Thanks for pushing for it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It *needed* clarifying, SM ;-P Thanks for pushing for it!</p>
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		<title>By: Sweet Machine</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/09/24/high-five-a-gay-kid-today/#comment-111595</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sweet Machine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see what you&#039;re saying, WP, and that&#039;s an angle I hadn&#039;t thought of before. Thanks for clarifying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see what you&#8217;re saying, WP, and that&#8217;s an angle I hadn&#8217;t thought of before. Thanks for clarifying.</p>
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		<title>By: WildlyParenthetical</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/09/24/high-five-a-gay-kid-today/#comment-111587</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WildlyParenthetical]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 00:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I don&#039;t entirely disagree, SM. I think my point was more that there were some commenters who seemed to be edging towards marking fluidity as teenage confusion, when I think there&#039;s something a bit more sophisticated going on, something which (grown-up) others have tried to grok with the term &#039;queer&#039;. That is, some of the above, and stuff I&#039;ve heard from other teens makes me think that amongst these kids, we have a kind of queering of terms like homosexuality, heterosexuality, bisexuality and lesbian, partly because they are treated less as defining who they are forever and ever, and more a way of naming their own desires, if that makes sense, testifying to their current reality, knowing that it might be temporary, but that it still matters. I just didn&#039;t want that to be erased as &#039;confused kids&#039; when it&#039;s a key part of what&#039;s making me go &#039;whoa! awesome!&#039; about this up-and-coming generation. :-) And I suspect that the less utopic the social structures, the more important it is to make that sense of contingency and partial identification possible. Which, of course, isn&#039;t only done through the emphasis on fluidity, but through an emphasis on the OK-ness of non-straight-ness. Queer, even if not the complex, sometimes-theory-laden conceptual apparatus of the word, can be a part of both of those projects in interesting ways, methinks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I don&#8217;t entirely disagree, SM. I think my point was more that there were some commenters who seemed to be edging towards marking fluidity as teenage confusion, when I think there&#8217;s something a bit more sophisticated going on, something which (grown-up) others have tried to grok with the term &#8216;queer&#8217;. That is, some of the above, and stuff I&#8217;ve heard from other teens makes me think that amongst these kids, we have a kind of queering of terms like homosexuality, heterosexuality, bisexuality and lesbian, partly because they are treated less as defining who they are forever and ever, and more a way of naming their own desires, if that makes sense, testifying to their current reality, knowing that it might be temporary, but that it still matters. I just didn&#8217;t want that to be erased as &#8216;confused kids&#8217; when it&#8217;s a key part of what&#8217;s making me go &#8216;whoa! awesome!&#8217; about this up-and-coming generation. :-) And I suspect that the less utopic the social structures, the more important it is to make that sense of contingency and partial identification possible. Which, of course, isn&#8217;t only done through the emphasis on fluidity, but through an emphasis on the OK-ness of non-straight-ness. Queer, even if not the complex, sometimes-theory-laden conceptual apparatus of the word, can be a part of both of those projects in interesting ways, methinks.</p>
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		<title>By: Sweet Machine</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 00:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WildlyParenthetical, I think you make a great point about making fluidity a concept that is accessible to teens and not worrying about fixing their &quot;real&quot; desires by labels. I just think, even in the mildly utopian social structures described by the article, it&#039;s not realistic to expect teens to *already* know that stuff to that point that they would find terms like &quot;bisexual&quot; problematic rather than liberating.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WildlyParenthetical, I think you make a great point about making fluidity a concept that is accessible to teens and not worrying about fixing their &#8220;real&#8221; desires by labels. I just think, even in the mildly utopian social structures described by the article, it&#8217;s not realistic to expect teens to *already* know that stuff to that point that they would find terms like &#8220;bisexual&#8221; problematic rather than liberating.</p>
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		<title>By: WildlyParenthetical</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WildlyParenthetical]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 00:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[About the conversation between SM and litfetish, I just wanted to add something. For me, the strength of &#039;queer&#039; lies in its fluidity. It can help us to think of sexuality as something that shifts and changes, and that is something that certainly resonates with my experience (which is why I find the kind of phrases like &#039;finding out what they &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; are attracted to&#039;, or &#039;who they &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; are, sexually,&#039; or other &#039;solidifying&#039; phrases really pretty alienating). It seems to me, actually, that lots of the teens and young adults described above get this sense of fluidity more accurately than lots and lots of more grown-up people. And this makes me think that some of the referring to this fluidity as &#039;just&#039; the result of being young and figuring stuff out is a bit problematic. First of all, even if their desires change, that doesn&#039;t mean that a kid&#039;s desires at 14 were ever inaccurate, or wrong, or only existing because they were &#039;confused&#039;. I tend to think that when we focus defining one set of sexual urges (as described for us by terms like &#039;heterosexual&#039; etc) as a &#039;true sexuality&#039;, we also risk making some sexual urges &#039;false&#039;, or the result of confusion, when we could treat them as just as real, if transient, as any other. For at least some people (like me!), that fluidity hangs around: desires shift and change, and what constitutes attractive can differ a lot over time. Yeah, some people would call me &#039;bi&#039;, but as litfetish points out, this is an attempt to pin down a sexuality that isn&#039;t actually shaped by the sex binary, and an attempt to &#039;fix&#039; a sexuality that, at least so far, has shifted a &lt;i&gt;lot&lt;/i&gt; over time. 

And to be honest, I do think that that point can—and should!—be made accessible to teens, and without reference to Butler, partly because the pressure to &#039;pick&#039; or &#039;find&#039; a sexuality and stick to it can be pretty damn damaging (as a number of commenters have kind of alluded to, in relation to issues that could come up because of people &#039;picking&#039; too early). I think it&#039;s pretty clear from dreamingcrow&#039;s awesome story about her son that kids can grok this stuff, and often (if they&#039;re given the space and encouragement, and wow I love Mrs. Kera!) in ways that make more space for themselves than the fixed-sexuality-premised-on-a-binary idea might imagine exists. I guess my real point is that I&#039;m so impressed with teens who manage to do this in a world that wants them to fix their sexuality, and I don&#039;t want that to get lost as just &#039;confusion&#039;. 

But oh! this post made me so happy. I&#039;m so glad that there are kids out there growing up unafraid of the diversity of their own desires, and with communities which glory in and honour them! And yeah, I&#039;m with the other commenters who kinda do wish wish wish this had been their high school experience! There&#039;s a ways to go, but it&#039;s so encouraging that we &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; going!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the conversation between SM and litfetish, I just wanted to add something. For me, the strength of &#8216;queer&#8217; lies in its fluidity. It can help us to think of sexuality as something that shifts and changes, and that is something that certainly resonates with my experience (which is why I find the kind of phrases like &#8216;finding out what they <i>really</i> are attracted to&#8217;, or &#8216;who they <i>really</i> are, sexually,&#8217; or other &#8216;solidifying&#8217; phrases really pretty alienating). It seems to me, actually, that lots of the teens and young adults described above get this sense of fluidity more accurately than lots and lots of more grown-up people. And this makes me think that some of the referring to this fluidity as &#8216;just&#8217; the result of being young and figuring stuff out is a bit problematic. First of all, even if their desires change, that doesn&#8217;t mean that a kid&#8217;s desires at 14 were ever inaccurate, or wrong, or only existing because they were &#8216;confused&#8217;. I tend to think that when we focus defining one set of sexual urges (as described for us by terms like &#8216;heterosexual&#8217; etc) as a &#8216;true sexuality&#8217;, we also risk making some sexual urges &#8216;false&#8217;, or the result of confusion, when we could treat them as just as real, if transient, as any other. For at least some people (like me!), that fluidity hangs around: desires shift and change, and what constitutes attractive can differ a lot over time. Yeah, some people would call me &#8216;bi&#8217;, but as litfetish points out, this is an attempt to pin down a sexuality that isn&#8217;t actually shaped by the sex binary, and an attempt to &#8216;fix&#8217; a sexuality that, at least so far, has shifted a <i>lot</i> over time. </p>
<p>And to be honest, I do think that that point can—and should!—be made accessible to teens, and without reference to Butler, partly because the pressure to &#8216;pick&#8217; or &#8216;find&#8217; a sexuality and stick to it can be pretty damn damaging (as a number of commenters have kind of alluded to, in relation to issues that could come up because of people &#8216;picking&#8217; too early). I think it&#8217;s pretty clear from dreamingcrow&#8217;s awesome story about her son that kids can grok this stuff, and often (if they&#8217;re given the space and encouragement, and wow I love Mrs. Kera!) in ways that make more space for themselves than the fixed-sexuality-premised-on-a-binary idea might imagine exists. I guess my real point is that I&#8217;m so impressed with teens who manage to do this in a world that wants them to fix their sexuality, and I don&#8217;t want that to get lost as just &#8216;confusion&#8217;. </p>
<p>But oh! this post made me so happy. I&#8217;m so glad that there are kids out there growing up unafraid of the diversity of their own desires, and with communities which glory in and honour them! And yeah, I&#8217;m with the other commenters who kinda do wish wish wish this had been their high school experience! There&#8217;s a ways to go, but it&#8217;s so encouraging that we <i>are</i> going!</p>
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		<title>By: mara</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When my daughter was about three years old, I remember telling her very matter of factly that sometimes men fall in love with women, and sometimes men fall in love with men, and sometimes women fall in love with women, and sometimes women fall in love with men. (of course, you could say I was normalizing the notion of &#039;falling in love&#039; as being identical to partnering/marrying/etc., which it isn&#039;t, necessarily, but it was the most straightforward way I could think to say it that I knew she would understand). I remember, in that moment (this was circa 1995) wishing that everyone, back and forth through history, could have the facts presented to them in that way. 

I think I got in there early enough with that message. I think it was just always a core part of my daughter&#039;s reality, but I also know that other &#039;realities&#039; get layered over it. For example, in early high school, my daughter and her friends were very accepting of gay boys... they all wanted to be friends with them... there might have been an element of exoticizing in that, actually, but at some level they did genuinely &#039;love&#039; gay boys. Gay girls? Not so much. Not nearly so much. There was a surfacey lip service paid to acceptance, yes... but underneath that, gossip and... social segregation, I would say. Maybe less so with bi girls... and definitely less so as they got older. But to be a 14 year old lesbian trying to fit in with the popular girls at my daughter&#039;s school... oh, not so easy.  

I myself went to catholic school and was clueless. I had those &#039;intense friendships&#039;, yes. I had boyfriends too, but they were less important, less intense, less real to me than my female friendships. I thought that was because I was in an all girls school. I was somewhat attracted to boys, and I thought that solved the problem of identifying my orientation. More important, probably, boys were attracted to me. I say &#039;more important&#039; without irony. Unfortunately. 

Some guardian angel of queer led me to a copy of The Kinsey Report when I was 18, and I read about the Kinsey scale, and went &quot;ahh hahhhhh!&quot;, and thought I understood.. and I did, in a sense... but I was deep into my thirties before it dawned on me that I was anything other than a rather unenthusiastic straight girl. 

Seriously. That&#039;s how it always felt, and what I always thought. I was oriented toward the hetero norm, yes. Just... less than enthusiastically. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my daughter was about three years old, I remember telling her very matter of factly that sometimes men fall in love with women, and sometimes men fall in love with men, and sometimes women fall in love with women, and sometimes women fall in love with men. (of course, you could say I was normalizing the notion of &#8216;falling in love&#8217; as being identical to partnering/marrying/etc., which it isn&#8217;t, necessarily, but it was the most straightforward way I could think to say it that I knew she would understand). I remember, in that moment (this was circa 1995) wishing that everyone, back and forth through history, could have the facts presented to them in that way. </p>
<p>I think I got in there early enough with that message. I think it was just always a core part of my daughter&#8217;s reality, but I also know that other &#8216;realities&#8217; get layered over it. For example, in early high school, my daughter and her friends were very accepting of gay boys&#8230; they all wanted to be friends with them&#8230; there might have been an element of exoticizing in that, actually, but at some level they did genuinely &#8216;love&#8217; gay boys. Gay girls? Not so much. Not nearly so much. There was a surfacey lip service paid to acceptance, yes&#8230; but underneath that, gossip and&#8230; social segregation, I would say. Maybe less so with bi girls&#8230; and definitely less so as they got older. But to be a 14 year old lesbian trying to fit in with the popular girls at my daughter&#8217;s school&#8230; oh, not so easy.  </p>
<p>I myself went to catholic school and was clueless. I had those &#8216;intense friendships&#8217;, yes. I had boyfriends too, but they were less important, less intense, less real to me than my female friendships. I thought that was because I was in an all girls school. I was somewhat attracted to boys, and I thought that solved the problem of identifying my orientation. More important, probably, boys were attracted to me. I say &#8216;more important&#8217; without irony. Unfortunately. </p>
<p>Some guardian angel of queer led me to a copy of The Kinsey Report when I was 18, and I read about the Kinsey scale, and went &#8220;ahh hahhhhh!&#8221;, and thought I understood.. and I did, in a sense&#8230; but I was deep into my thirties before it dawned on me that I was anything other than a rather unenthusiastic straight girl. </p>
<p>Seriously. That&#8217;s how it always felt, and what I always thought. I was oriented toward the hetero norm, yes. Just&#8230; less than enthusiastically. </p>
<p>Oh good grief.</p>
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