Now with visual aids

Two items of interest for you:

First, this A Softer World (applicable to all “I don’t see X” statements, I think).

Second, our own FJ illustrated Lesley’s epic dream. If you missed the dream the first time around (which means you missed one of Lesley’s More to Love recaps, and your life is less complete), here’s how she described it:

Gather round, friends fat and otherwise, and I shall tell you how More to Love is slowly devouring my will to live. This travesty of a television program has burrowed so deeply into my subconscious that — chillingly — last night I had a More to Love-related dream. In this dream I was a contestant on a sort of fat-blogger version of Dancing with the Stars, and I was paired with none other than detestable lummox Luke Conley. We were supposed to do a paso doble, but I was a total bitch to him and he was a ragingly passive-aggressive asshole back and so there was much Reality TV Drama over whether we’d get our shit together enough for the performance.

But that is not the punch line. The punch line is that the fabulous and whip-smart Kate (who is, incidentally, guest blogging at Jezebel this week) was also in this dream. Kate’s dance partner was none other than MeMe Roth, and they were tasked with reproducing the knife fight from the “Beat It” video. This is one of those times where I fervently wish that either I had a talent for drawing myself, or a great illustrator on staff at Fatshionista, because the epic dance battle I dreamed between Kate and MeMe cannot adequately be described using mere words. Dream-Kate was like a fat ninja, though sadly I woke up before I could see her dispatch MeMe to hell, which in MeMe’s case would probably involve Fat Satan’s minions rubbing their bellies on her while forcing her to eat food that is of dubious nutritional value.

This makes me wish I could watch other people’s dreams like a movie. Fortunately, FJ provided us the next best thing.

Lesley's Wonderful Dream

Lesley's Wonderful Dream

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74 thoughts on “Now with visual aids

  1. What a wonderful way to start my day – very funny!

    I think Lesley deserves some kind of medal for watching More To Love so the rest of us don’t have to. That’s self-sacrifice!

  2. FJ, I was going to email you this morning but I’ll just say it here: you totally nailed Luke! I’m so impressed!

    If you’re accepting constructive criticism, I would say my eyeglasses in this image are insufficiently “hipster”, however. The cardigan is good, but without giant hipster glasses and a more obnoxious belt, how will anyone know it’s me?

    (I’m just kidding. This is spectacular and every time I look at it it makes me laugh. Thank you so much!)

  3. FJ, you rock so hard right now! I love that drawing! I knew the Shapely Prose ladies were talented but wow! Talent is just oozing all over the place here!

  4. I think the drawing of Lesley is my favorite part.

    I know — the expression is priceless!

    I would also like to officially abdicate my throne as Pickiest Grammarian, since I used “aides” instead of “aids” in the original title of this post.

  5. The whole drawing is fabulous! You captured the faces perfectly, Fillyjonk! And I like the feet, especially the difference between Kate and MeMe’s shoes.

    But I would love to have the single image of Kate on a t-shirt. In ninja black.

    No caption would be necessary, but I’ll bet we could have a lot of fun thinking of a couple.

  6. holy crap. hilarious. please develop into a full-color comic strip.

    SECONDED! This would be even funnier than my “Life with Morrissey” webcomic idea.

  7. my eyeglasses in this image are insufficiently “hipster”

    Maybe that’s why I was having a hard time making it look like you!

    I would also like to officially abdicate my throne as Pickiest Grammarian, since I used “aides” instead of “aids” in the original title of this post.

    ARGH I SAW THAT AND WAS GOING TO QUESTION IT AND THEN DECIDED YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WERE DOING

    This is the down side of usually being right.

  8. I dunno. It needs a unicorn somewhere.

    Just kidding. Also, I love A Softer World and The Guild – we share a similar pop culture Venn Diagram.

  9. A Softer World… add that to my list of sites I loved when I visited the first time but forgot to bookmark. So yay for rediscovery!

    I love this dream. And I LOVE that drawing.

    I’m laughing so hard I have tears. Much needed on this otherwise crappy day.

  10. Oh, so awesome. People who don’t travel in the Fatosphere have no idea what they’re missing–the mind that would come up with such a brilliantly hilarious dream and the talent that’s capable of so perfectly capturing it.

  11. Looks like Kate is using some yoga-inspired ninja skills there. I’m sure that would just blow Meme Roth’s mind.

  12. Looks like Kate is using some yoga-inspired ninja skills there.

    You’d think so, but actually her pose is directly copied from the Beat It video. :)

  13. DAMMIT this is hilarious and there is no possible way I can explain it to any civilian so they will get it. I am dead in isolation.

  14. This has to be the funniest thing I’ve seen all day. Though I am oddly tempted to print it out, and color it….

  15. FJ, you are officially made of win. *hands you baby flavored doughnuts* I dunno, though- MeMe Roth might go into apoplexy at how you drew her, I think I can see .000016 lbs of *le gasp* fat total on her person.

  16. Honestly, I don’t see what’s so funny about the first link. I don’t see gender. People say I’m a woman, and I believe them, because the only suits I can find that fit and are less than $400 are polyester, and some of them are pink.

  17. Yes – his “People tell me I’m white, and I believe them, because I can always get a taxi” is beautiful.

  18. Am I the only one who finds it slightly on the offensive side that MeMe Roth is drawn in a haha-she’s-so-skinny-she’s-pointy-all-over-and-that’s-not-pretty kind of way …? Kate looks like a greek goddess, MeMe looks like a corpse.

    I mean … at first I skimmed the entry itself and thought it was supposed to be a drawing of this whole them-versus-us mentality where skinny women are ugly and asexual and not really women.

    Just saying.

  19. Am I the only one who finds it slightly on the offensive side that MeMe Roth is drawn in a haha-she’s-so-skinny-she’s-pointy-all-over-and-that’s-not-pretty kind of way …?

    I think you’re projecting here; MeMe is quite angular, at least in pictures and videos I’ve seen her in. I think someone who was not versed in FA would probably look at the picture and say “you shouldn’t have drawn Kate so comically round.”

    thought it was supposed to be a drawing of this whole them-versus-us mentality where skinny women are ugly and asexual and not really women.

    And I think this is *really* projecting.

  20. Am I the only one who finds it slightly on the offensive side that MeMe Roth is drawn in a haha-she’s-so-skinny-she’s-pointy-all-over-and-that’s-not-pretty kind of way …? Kate looks like a greek goddess, MeMe looks like a corpse.

    Wow. Here’s a picture of MeMe Roth. Here’s a picture of me. As it turns out, I’m a lot softer and rounder than she is.

    What sexual value you place on “soft and round” vs. “lean and angular” is your own deal. Since we’re talking about an illustration of a dream in which MeMe and I have a Michael Jackson-choreographed knife fight while Lesley and Luke dance in the background, I feel pretty comfortable in saying that Fillyjonk wasn’t trying to sexualize any of us.

    And you know, the automatic assumption that the artist was sexualizing me just because she drew a pretty faithful representation of my boobs doesn’t sit terribly well with me. The boobs are just a fact of my life. The sexualization of them in every fucking context imaginable, including a cartoon version of a dream-battle, is patriarchy in action.

    Finally, I trust that anyone who reads this blog will gather pretty quickly that we don’t shit on any woman’s body here, fat or thin, and we don’t hold up any body type as ideal. If you think I look better than MeMe in this drawing, that’s on you. Plenty of people would hold the opposite opinion.

  21. I think you’re projecting here; MeMe is quite angular, at least in pictures and videos I’ve seen her in.

    Also, and I realize that this point does not have as much philosophical value as my cobloggers’, IT IS A CARTOON. Like, yeah, I exaggerated MeMe a little (not much). It’s a cartoon. It is not portraiture. (I also, for example, gave Luke an even goofier expression than he had in my reference photo.)

  22. Also, you want to know what’s funny? One of my major complaints about the piece (aside from Kate’s feet looking like loaves and having trouble with Lesley’s expression) is that I actually drew MeMe’s breasts MUCH BIGGER than they were in my reference photo. That was a mistake that I disliked but did not change because IT IS NOT INTENDED AS PORTRAITURE.

  23. Since we’re talking about an illustration of a dream in which MeMe and I have a Michael Jackson-choreographed knife fight while Lesley and Luke dance in the background, I feel pretty comfortable in saying that Fillyjonk wasn’t trying to sexualize any of us.

    NOT TRUE. I TOTALLY want to get into Luke’s pants.

    It’s just so I can cock-punch him repeatedly, but STILL.

  24. OK. I saw this last night. In bed. While my GF was sleeping. And my dogs were sleeping.

    I guffawed and snorted at the same time.

    Everyone woke up. The dogs scuttled out of the room and my GF probably wanted to punch me in the neck.

    God, that was funny!

  25. Personal Opinion: “haha-she’s-so-skinny-she’s-pointy-all-over-and-that’s-not-pretty kind of way”

    Personal Opinion: “Kate looks like a greek goddess”

    Personal Opinion: ” MeMe looks like a corpse”

    Personal Opinion: “[I] thought it was supposed to be a drawing of this whole them-versus-us mentality where skinny women are ugly and asexual and not really women.”

    None of this is inherent to the art.

    That’s the thing about art. You think you know what “everyone else” sees…but you don’t. Comments like this say much more about the observer’s cultural conditioning than anything about what the artist was observing.

    Even if this were an attempt at portraiture, fj, it would still not allow your audience to criticize you for not putting in that portrait what they wished to see. Not even photographs can represent everyone’s reality.

  26. >I think you’re projecting here<

    Maybe I am – I was actually being genuine when I asked if I was the only one who thought that way when looking at it.

    I was just struck by it when I first looked at the picture, not having read any of the text, so I didn't know who the people in the drawing were supposed to be.

    My first impression was that the thin girl had very pointy, sharp knees, very hollowed cheeks and looked (to me) like she was supposed to look emaciated, and the other woman (who I later learned was Kate) looked like the artist had intended for her to be far more beautiful and healthy.

    I didn't intend to criticize Sweet Machine for putting it up, or the artist for making it. I know it's just a drawing, not a political statement or a piece of weight-propaganda.

    It's just a cartoon, I know. I'm not flaming with anger or indignation. I've just found the whole "no weight bashing at either end of the scale"- thing you guys have going to be wonderful and refreshing, so I was a little surprised to see something that made me feel that way in here.

    (I also know that it's intended to be seen with the entry explaining it, so yes, it's my own fault that I didn't realize at first what the context was)

  27. >And you know, the automatic assumption that the artist was sexualizing me just because she drew a pretty faithful representation of my boobs doesn’t sit terribly well with me. The boobs are just a fact of my life.<

    I said you looked like a Greek goddess – which to me just means beautiful. I didn't intend for it to sound like I had assumed the artist sexualized you. I have large breasts myself, and I know that you can't take them off when you don't feel like being sexy.

  28. I also know that it’s intended to be seen with the entry explaining it

    You know… the entry it’s in. This entry. So hard to see it in context!

    It sounds to me like you have some unexamined stuff.

  29. >Yeah, this does come across like you’re saying that proportionally-accurately drawing a thin person’s body amounts to thin bashing.You know… the entry it’s in. This entry. So hard to see it in context!It sounds to me like you have some unexamined stuff.<

    You really don't know me, and you really can't make judgments about me, my life or my psychological state based on three internet posts written in my second language about a cartoon.

  30. >Yeah, this does come across like you’re saying that proportionally-accurately drawing a thin person’s body amounts to thin bashing.You know… the entry it’s in. This entry. So hard to see it in context!It sounds to me like you have some unexamined stuff.<

    You really don't know me, and you really can't make judgments about me, my life or my psychological state based on three internet posts written in my second language about a cartoon.

  31. Wow, weirdly formatted double post for some reason…

    Volcanista: I’m not saying that. If I haven’t adequately explained why some things about the drawing made me feel that way by now, I probably can’t. I’m sorry if it looked like an attack on the poster or artist, because I didn’t mean it to be.

  32. You really don’t know me, and you really can’t make judgments about me, my life or my psychological state based on three internet posts written in my second language about a cartoon.

    This is true. It’s also true, though, that in your original comment you stated your opinion as though it were fact, implying that the cartoon in question basically goes against everything we stand for here at SP. So you can see why we’d get our feathers ruffled.

    No one’s mad at you or judging you; we’re reacting to your comments. If you feel you’re not getting at what you wanted to say, that’s cool and thanks for letting us know.

  33. This has to be the funniest thing I’ve seen all day. Though I am oddly tempted to print it out, and color it….

    Me too. I’m thinking Lesley’s dress will be yellow, with a magenta cardigan.

    Fillyjonk FTW. This is seriously awesome.

  34. This is entirely tangential, but every time I see a picture of Kate, I remember an old post about Al and think “I could look like Kate Harding… if I worked out.”

  35. I guess the picture could look like “big v. skinny”, but it was carefully put into context, and the drawing is fabulously done enough that the people are clearly recognizable if you have seen pictures of them before.

    I think the funniest part is that Lesley and Luke in the background look like a disco-dancing Greek Chorus.

  36. I actually think FJ should have been a little more clear. Horns and a tail on MeMe, and perhaps some nice wings on Kate. Not because one is fat and one is skinny, but because one is cool and one is a complete screaming twit.

  37. That drawing is the funniest thing ever. And that dream is amazing, why can’t I dream about knife fights?

    I don’t see anything wrong with it, they both have a serious kind of evil fight face going on, and Meme looks really skinny because… she’s very skinny. And maybe if you think FJ didn’t really go out of her way to make sure the Meme drawing was as nice as Kate’s, it may simply be because she and Kate are friends and Meme is just an unpleasant and offensive public figure with whom she has no relationship. But that wouldn’t have much to do with fat vs. thin, pretty vs. ugly either.

    And you know, the automatic assumption that the artist was sexualizing me just because she drew a pretty faithful representation of my boobs doesn’t sit terribly well with me. The boobs are just a fact of my life. The sexualization of them in every fucking context imaginable, including a cartoon version of a dream-battle, is patriarchy in action.

    Also THIS. I want a t-shirt with that phrase (or idea at least) written across the boobs in big bold letters.

  38. *laughs till she cries*

    FJ, words cannot describe the awesome.

    *laughs some more*

    I can’t help but think MeMe would hopelessly bungle the “That’s how it is” line.

  39. “This is true. It’s also true, though, that in your original comment you stated your opinion as though it were fact, implying that the cartoon in question basically goes against everything we stand for here at SP.”

    Yes, I do see that. I apologize. That wasn’t my intention.

  40. On the villiany of the thin person in the picture and how she’s less attractive, I’m going to assure Sasquatch I see it too.
    It is very true that in this picture the bigger person (Kate) looks more attractive and the thin person looks less attractive.

    But MeMe and Kate are each more than their bodies, for sure; as are we all. She’s MEME. She’s a prejudiced, hate mongering, anger spewing, shaming pox on our airwaves who causes incredible damage to people with nothing but her own prejudice to back up her claims.

    So she’s thin, AND an awful, hateful asshole.

    I think FJ captured that wonderfully.

    Also, Kate’s totally going to KICK HER ASS.

  41. The illustration has me smiling, big.

    What does it say that about me, I wonder, that I knew exactly what dream you were referring to?

    This is an example of when blogging about blogging really tickles me.

  42. OMG. This = WIN.

    FJ, this is why we love you… I’m never gonna be able to listen to Beat It again without thinking of Kate Harding kicking MeMe’s butt!

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