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		<title>By: Shirleen</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/09/05/straw-feminist-weekly-the-marriage-hater/#comment-125876</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shirleen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 01:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Feminist Sisters,

I salute you (can we salute?) for an hour of fun and laughter. Hopefully it will take me days to read through all the responses. Good thing I was reading without drinking or liquid would be up my nose as well.

These are great times and you all are great company.

Namaste (yoga speak for &quot;The light in me bows to the light in you.&quot; or &quot;You all totally rock!!!&quot;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feminist Sisters,</p>
<p>I salute you (can we salute?) for an hour of fun and laughter. Hopefully it will take me days to read through all the responses. Good thing I was reading without drinking or liquid would be up my nose as well.</p>
<p>These are great times and you all are great company.</p>
<p>Namaste (yoga speak for &#8220;The light in me bows to the light in you.&#8221; or &#8220;You all totally rock!!!&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: Big Bunny</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/09/05/straw-feminist-weekly-the-marriage-hater/#comment-110437</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Big Bunny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sarah said: &quot;If you ask me, yes, marriage (at least in the US) is absolutely anti-feminist, because it means choosing to exploit one’s heterosexual privilege. The only way you could say that marriage doesn’t oppress women is by saying that queer women aren’t really women.&quot;

I certainly believe in equal marriage rights for everyone, and would have been perfectly willing to abstain from marriage myself until it was available to all, but the person I wanted to share my life with (and the father of my daughter) happened to come from another country. Knowing that we would have had no option as a same-sex couple made me all the more adamant that everyone should have the right to marry... however, I do not agree that I am *oppressing*I queer women by keeping my family together the only way I legally can... and, quite frankly, I am not willing to spend the rest of my life in a long-distance relationship to avoid offending you (would you do the same for me? I didn&#039;t think so.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah said: &#8220;If you ask me, yes, marriage (at least in the US) is absolutely anti-feminist, because it means choosing to exploit one’s heterosexual privilege. The only way you could say that marriage doesn’t oppress women is by saying that queer women aren’t really women.&#8221;</p>
<p>I certainly believe in equal marriage rights for everyone, and would have been perfectly willing to abstain from marriage myself until it was available to all, but the person I wanted to share my life with (and the father of my daughter) happened to come from another country. Knowing that we would have had no option as a same-sex couple made me all the more adamant that everyone should have the right to marry&#8230; however, I do not agree that I am *oppressing*I queer women by keeping my family together the only way I legally can&#8230; and, quite frankly, I am not willing to spend the rest of my life in a long-distance relationship to avoid offending you (would you do the same for me? I didn&#8217;t think so.)</p>
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		<title>By: Robyn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Zenoodle. Yes. As in, I am not you, I am not a woman, therefore I have no idea what it feels like to be discriminated against on that basis, therefore I affirm that whatever your experiences/feelings are, they are true and real and you have every right to them and I will support you in them. As opposed to, you are just a silly woman blowing things out of proportion and taking things too personally--your thoughts/feelings/experiences aren&#039;t real or important-- which I have gotten in the past numerous times from both men and women regarding anything remotely feminist that crosses my lips.

Does that make more sense? Sorry if my choice of words made you uncomfortable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Zenoodle. Yes. As in, I am not you, I am not a woman, therefore I have no idea what it feels like to be discriminated against on that basis, therefore I affirm that whatever your experiences/feelings are, they are true and real and you have every right to them and I will support you in them. As opposed to, you are just a silly woman blowing things out of proportion and taking things too personally&#8211;your thoughts/feelings/experiences aren&#8217;t real or important&#8211; which I have gotten in the past numerous times from both men and women regarding anything remotely feminist that crosses my lips.</p>
<p>Does that make more sense? Sorry if my choice of words made you uncomfortable.</p>
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		<title>By: BlueSphere52</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/09/05/straw-feminist-weekly-the-marriage-hater/#comment-110094</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BlueSphere52]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 07:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey zenoodle, thanks very much for your reply. It gave me some things to think about. The thing is, as much as some stories of single people finding love sound the same, talking about being lonely and having trouble finding someone is hard to do with people in person, because you worry you&#039;re being awkward. And it&#039;s not the kind of information that a single person will offer up readily, so I appreciate getting to hear stories about different people&#039;s experiences.

As much as I feel like I&#039;ve been open to being in a relationship, I haven&#039;t tried online dating. I&#039;ve been a bleacher fan for a long time, since I feel like, to whatever limited extent we can influence over whether or not we find someone, meeting people and putting yourself out there (while being confident that you are happy with yourself so that you don&#039;t come off as overly desperate) is the best way of increasing your changes.

Also, that point about how your friend telling her friends about her feelings changed the way she thought about them in her own mind was interesting. That&#039;s a great point. I haven&#039;t really told my friends my feelings about it, and it&#039;s a little complicated, but it sounds like something I might want ot work up to trying.

Oh, and on the whole &quot;can men be feminists&quot; issue, I have to say that I think that they can be. Of course men are going to have a harder time relating to some of the experiences of women, but if they&#039;re guided by a strong sense of the equality of opportunity and choices for women, I think they can come to appreciate it as much as anyone else.

Also, think about it--limiting feminism to people who understand the female perspective is problematic, because even the experiences of women are so different (even within the context of the way women view society). Joining together to agitate for justice in any social movement requires that people be able to try to abstract from other people&#039;s experiences, and try to understand how those experiences have affected the people who had them. Anyway, sorry about the rambling.

But also, one more thing--what about the intersexed? If being a feminist is dependent on one&#039;s being a woman, how does that jibe with the fact that gender is a spectrum? I wouldn&#039;t be comfortable drawing lines in the sand saying &quot;These people have a gender identity (either in their own eyes or society&#039;s) that&#039;s consistent with the being a woman, so they&#039;re ok&quot;.

Anyway, I realize that it&#039;s a complicated issue, but those concerns I have make me uneasy to exclude those who aren&#039;t women from identifying as feminists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey zenoodle, thanks very much for your reply. It gave me some things to think about. The thing is, as much as some stories of single people finding love sound the same, talking about being lonely and having trouble finding someone is hard to do with people in person, because you worry you&#8217;re being awkward. And it&#8217;s not the kind of information that a single person will offer up readily, so I appreciate getting to hear stories about different people&#8217;s experiences.</p>
<p>As much as I feel like I&#8217;ve been open to being in a relationship, I haven&#8217;t tried online dating. I&#8217;ve been a bleacher fan for a long time, since I feel like, to whatever limited extent we can influence over whether or not we find someone, meeting people and putting yourself out there (while being confident that you are happy with yourself so that you don&#8217;t come off as overly desperate) is the best way of increasing your changes.</p>
<p>Also, that point about how your friend telling her friends about her feelings changed the way she thought about them in her own mind was interesting. That&#8217;s a great point. I haven&#8217;t really told my friends my feelings about it, and it&#8217;s a little complicated, but it sounds like something I might want ot work up to trying.</p>
<p>Oh, and on the whole &#8220;can men be feminists&#8221; issue, I have to say that I think that they can be. Of course men are going to have a harder time relating to some of the experiences of women, but if they&#8217;re guided by a strong sense of the equality of opportunity and choices for women, I think they can come to appreciate it as much as anyone else.</p>
<p>Also, think about it&#8211;limiting feminism to people who understand the female perspective is problematic, because even the experiences of women are so different (even within the context of the way women view society). Joining together to agitate for justice in any social movement requires that people be able to try to abstract from other people&#8217;s experiences, and try to understand how those experiences have affected the people who had them. Anyway, sorry about the rambling.</p>
<p>But also, one more thing&#8211;what about the intersexed? If being a feminist is dependent on one&#8217;s being a woman, how does that jibe with the fact that gender is a spectrum? I wouldn&#8217;t be comfortable drawing lines in the sand saying &#8220;These people have a gender identity (either in their own eyes or society&#8217;s) that&#8217;s consistent with the being a woman, so they&#8217;re ok&#8221;.</p>
<p>Anyway, I realize that it&#8217;s a complicated issue, but those concerns I have make me uneasy to exclude those who aren&#8217;t women from identifying as feminists.</p>
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		<title>By: Zenoodle</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/09/05/straw-feminist-weekly-the-marriage-hater/#comment-110057</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zenoodle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Annie, from the rest of what Robyn wrote, I think that might just be unfortunate phrasing? I didn&#039;t even catch that word the first time I read it, but I think you can read it as in &#039;validate&#039; meaning &#039;not trying to deny that they [women&#039;s experiences] are true&#039;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annie, from the rest of what Robyn wrote, I think that might just be unfortunate phrasing? I didn&#8217;t even catch that word the first time I read it, but I think you can read it as in &#8216;validate&#8217; meaning &#8216;not trying to deny that they [women's experiences] are true&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: maryjblog</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/09/05/straw-feminist-weekly-the-marriage-hater/#comment-110056</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[maryjblog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Does this mean men can’t be feminists? ”

I think if men can&#039;t be feminists, then no one can. I&#039;ve always thought that the whole point of feminism is that people should not be limited, or judged, or forced to embrace or eschew any sort of behavior based on their gender.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Does this mean men can’t be feminists? ”</p>
<p>I think if men can&#8217;t be feminists, then no one can. I&#8217;ve always thought that the whole point of feminism is that people should not be limited, or judged, or forced to embrace or eschew any sort of behavior based on their gender.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie Mcfly</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/09/05/straw-feminist-weekly-the-marriage-hater/#comment-110041</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Annie Mcfly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t quite put my finger on it, but something about the idea of Robyn&#039;s feminist husband &quot;validating&quot; women&#039;s choices makes me really uncomfortable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t quite put my finger on it, but something about the idea of Robyn&#8217;s feminist husband &#8220;validating&#8221; women&#8217;s choices makes me really uncomfortable.</p>
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		<title>By: bronislawa blumschaetter</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/09/05/straw-feminist-weekly-the-marriage-hater/#comment-109995</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bronislawa blumschaetter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure which inaccurate assumption bugs me more: that as a feminist, I am secretly boycrazy, or that if I were, I&#039;d be ashamed to admit it.

I&#039;ve been a feminist for 35 years; been married for 16; been boycrazy not ever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure which inaccurate assumption bugs me more: that as a feminist, I am secretly boycrazy, or that if I were, I&#8217;d be ashamed to admit it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been a feminist for 35 years; been married for 16; been boycrazy not ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Harding</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/09/05/straw-feminist-weekly-the-marriage-hater/#comment-109991</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate Harding]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;But the comment history makes me disinclined to care.&lt;/i&gt;

Ditto.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But the comment history makes me disinclined to care.</i></p>
<p>Ditto.</p>
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		<title>By: fillyjonk</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/09/05/straw-feminist-weekly-the-marriage-hater/#comment-109990</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fillyjonk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Yeah, actually, I’m gonna override that offer and just go ahead and ban Cheddar&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah I got no problem with this.

This particular comment was so fucking weird that I thought maybe there was an explanation (&quot;sorry, I was super-drunk and I thought I was being funny when I now see I was being a complete asshole,&quot; or whatever). But the comment history makes me disinclined to care.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Yeah, actually, I’m gonna override that offer and just go ahead and ban Cheddar</i></p>
<p>Yeah I got no problem with this.</p>
<p>This particular comment was so fucking weird that I thought maybe there was an explanation (&#8220;sorry, I was super-drunk and I thought I was being funny when I now see I was being a complete asshole,&#8221; or whatever). But the comment history makes me disinclined to care.</p>
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