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		<title>By: friendly daughter</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/07/29/oh-and-your-book-sucks-too/#comment-105739</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I find this true as well, Lori. Homemade bread doesn&#039;t keep nearly as well-- hence the plethora of ancient recipes for bread pudding, french toast, even bread salad. Ways to use up &quot;day-old&quot; bread, which is quite noticeably less palatable than fresh-baked. 

Anyone who remembers those days remembers, too, that it was all quite time-consuming, and that a lot of the burden fell on Mother Dearest and the eldest daughter. 

Everyone makes fun of the convenience-food crazes of the 50s and 60s... but man, it had to have been a relief not to have to come up with a giant family meal from scratch night after night after night after night.... women moving into the paid workforce probably accelerated those trends a hundredfold. Whether this is for good or for ill is much too complicated to get into here, I think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I find this true as well, Lori. Homemade bread doesn&#8217;t keep nearly as well&#8211; hence the plethora of ancient recipes for bread pudding, french toast, even bread salad. Ways to use up &#8220;day-old&#8221; bread, which is quite noticeably less palatable than fresh-baked. </p>
<p>Anyone who remembers those days remembers, too, that it was all quite time-consuming, and that a lot of the burden fell on Mother Dearest and the eldest daughter. </p>
<p>Everyone makes fun of the convenience-food crazes of the 50s and 60s&#8230; but man, it had to have been a relief not to have to come up with a giant family meal from scratch night after night after night after night&#8230;. women moving into the paid workforce probably accelerated those trends a hundredfold. Whether this is for good or for ill is much too complicated to get into here, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/07/29/oh-and-your-book-sucks-too/#comment-105730</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Homemade baked goods, too, whether made with whole-wheat flour or not, have a significantly shorter self life than store bought baked goods, in my experience.  If I buy a loaf of bread at the store, it will likely last a good two weeks, possibly more; if I bake a loaf of bread, if we don&#039;t eat it within 2-3 days, it&#039;s pretty much inedible.  I was shocked the other day at how much longer a piece of cornbread we&#039;d gotten at Boston Market lasted (it sat on our counter in a bag for at least a week, and was still soft and unmoldy when we finally threw it out) than the cornbread I made from scratch (which, while extremely delicious, only lasts a few days before it gets moldy).

Part of what that means is that keeping your family stocked in homemade bread is a LOT more time consuming than keeping them stocked in store bought bread.  It&#039;s not just like, instead of going to the grocery store, you spend that hour baking bread.  You&#039;ll probably need to bake bread 2-3 times during the week, to make sure your family has edible bread each day.  And if you have the time (which I often do) and enjoy making bread (which I do), then it can be fun and not something you mind, but it&#039;s certainly not feasible for many people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homemade baked goods, too, whether made with whole-wheat flour or not, have a significantly shorter self life than store bought baked goods, in my experience.  If I buy a loaf of bread at the store, it will likely last a good two weeks, possibly more; if I bake a loaf of bread, if we don&#8217;t eat it within 2-3 days, it&#8217;s pretty much inedible.  I was shocked the other day at how much longer a piece of cornbread we&#8217;d gotten at Boston Market lasted (it sat on our counter in a bag for at least a week, and was still soft and unmoldy when we finally threw it out) than the cornbread I made from scratch (which, while extremely delicious, only lasts a few days before it gets moldy).</p>
<p>Part of what that means is that keeping your family stocked in homemade bread is a LOT more time consuming than keeping them stocked in store bought bread.  It&#8217;s not just like, instead of going to the grocery store, you spend that hour baking bread.  You&#8217;ll probably need to bake bread 2-3 times during the week, to make sure your family has edible bread each day.  And if you have the time (which I often do) and enjoy making bread (which I do), then it can be fun and not something you mind, but it&#8217;s certainly not feasible for many people.</p>
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		<title>By: friendly daughter</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/07/29/oh-and-your-book-sucks-too/#comment-105726</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[friendly daughter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyway, I think Lori&#039;s point about the relative short-term safety of processed food is thought-provoking. 

I notice my family elders are actually much less likely to scorn processed foods than their great-grandchildren are. 

That generation that grew up before every house had a refrigerator don&#039;t turn its nose up at canned food, which the nice yuppie moms of my generation seem to view as near-poison. lol. 

I&#039;ll never forget watching a bunch of twenty-something girls mocking green bean casserole &quot;made with CANNED beans!&quot; like it was so far beyond the pale they couldn&#039;t imagine actually EATING it.  

Even things like whole-wheat flour have a significantly shorter shelf-life than white does-- some of this pickiness about food is pretty much just a real tired form of status-seeking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyway, I think Lori&#8217;s point about the relative short-term safety of processed food is thought-provoking. </p>
<p>I notice my family elders are actually much less likely to scorn processed foods than their great-grandchildren are. </p>
<p>That generation that grew up before every house had a refrigerator don&#8217;t turn its nose up at canned food, which the nice yuppie moms of my generation seem to view as near-poison. lol. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll never forget watching a bunch of twenty-something girls mocking green bean casserole &#8220;made with CANNED beans!&#8221; like it was so far beyond the pale they couldn&#8217;t imagine actually EATING it.  </p>
<p>Even things like whole-wheat flour have a significantly shorter shelf-life than white does&#8211; some of this pickiness about food is pretty much just a real tired form of status-seeking.</p>
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		<title>By: friendly daughter</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/07/29/oh-and-your-book-sucks-too/#comment-105723</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[friendly daughter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the sort of thing that makes me a little nervous about well-intentioned progressives pushing for a &quot;wellness-based&quot; healthcare system, actually; it&#039;s hard to explain to them that their personal biases and preferences surrounding The Good Life are probably not actually as universal, or as effectively magical, as they fervently believe them to be. 

&quot;But if we could just reward people for fill-in-the-blank (eating organic produce, breastfeeding till toddlerhood, going to yoga classes, baking their own bread) then that would solve the problems before they even began!&quot; 

Um, sure! lol.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the sort of thing that makes me a little nervous about well-intentioned progressives pushing for a &#8220;wellness-based&#8221; healthcare system, actually; it&#8217;s hard to explain to them that their personal biases and preferences surrounding The Good Life are probably not actually as universal, or as effectively magical, as they fervently believe them to be. </p>
<p>&#8220;But if we could just reward people for fill-in-the-blank (eating organic produce, breastfeeding till toddlerhood, going to yoga classes, baking their own bread) then that would solve the problems before they even began!&#8221; </p>
<p>Um, sure! lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Eucritta</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/07/29/oh-and-your-book-sucks-too/#comment-105390</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eucritta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 04:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Maybe I’m missing the point here (and excuse me if I am), but mentioning a “presumptive normative ‘free market’ state for food” in relation to the US is patently rubbish,....&lt;/i&gt;

That was actually part of my point.  The other part was that so far as I&#039;m aware, there&#039;s no region or country where politics etc. do not affect food prices and availability.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Maybe I’m missing the point here (and excuse me if I am), but mentioning a “presumptive normative ‘free market’ state for food” in relation to the US is patently rubbish,&#8230;.</i></p>
<p>That was actually part of my point.  The other part was that so far as I&#8217;m aware, there&#8217;s no region or country where politics etc. do not affect food prices and availability.</p>
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		<title>By: volcanista</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/07/29/oh-and-your-book-sucks-too/#comment-105387</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[volcanista]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 03:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I mean, and there are reasons for that. Soy and corn and peanuts, etc. are used for industrial uses that are not related to food, and there are benefits to having them available for that for cheap. So while i agree that the subsidies are overall really problematic, it&#039;s not just like the government wants us to eat nothing but corn all the time. It&#039;s more complicated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean, and there are reasons for that. Soy and corn and peanuts, etc. are used for industrial uses that are not related to food, and there are benefits to having them available for that for cheap. So while i agree that the subsidies are overall really problematic, it&#8217;s not just like the government wants us to eat nothing but corn all the time. It&#8217;s more complicated.</p>
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		<title>By: Sniper</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/07/29/oh-and-your-book-sucks-too/#comment-105343</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sniper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 18:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;if you’re going to have subsidies, why not direct some at the produce growers and not just the corn and soy farmers?&lt;/i&gt;


Money and political influence. Massive soy growers have it, tomato growers do not. The idea of a free market in the U.S. is, as you pointed out, a complete joke.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>if you’re going to have subsidies, why not direct some at the produce growers and not just the corn and soy farmers?</i></p>
<p>Money and political influence. Massive soy growers have it, tomato growers do not. The idea of a free market in the U.S. is, as you pointed out, a complete joke.</p>
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		<title>By: AndreaC</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/07/29/oh-and-your-book-sucks-too/#comment-105335</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AndreaC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s worth pointing out that one of the two Freakonomics dudes strongly endorsed a bizarre diet book that requires you to drink olive oil like a beverage. Stephen Dubner&#039;s quote is on the cover.

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2006/04/20/the-shangri-la-diet-between-hard-covers/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s worth pointing out that one of the two Freakonomics dudes strongly endorsed a bizarre diet book that requires you to drink olive oil like a beverage. Stephen Dubner&#8217;s quote is on the cover.</p>
<p><a href="http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2006/04/20/the-shangri-la-diet-between-hard-covers/" rel="nofollow">http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2006/04/20/the-shangri-la-diet-between-hard-covers/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gillian</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/07/29/oh-and-your-book-sucks-too/#comment-105333</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gillian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I remember trying to read Freakonomics when it first came out and being immediately put off by the first chapter. There, the writers put forward the theory that the reason crime rates went down in the 90s was because women who would have given birth to criminals in the late 60s/early 70s had abortions.

WTF? I think I didn&#039;t make it beyond page 5. Was I supposed to find this kind of thinking subversive? I just found it horribly offensive. So it&#039;s not surprising to see these tools come with the fat hate. Nor is it surprising to read the smug comments. I tried to get a comment posted yesterday, but in my anger, I spouted off about how I&#039;d missed my calling and all I needed to do to get a blog on the NYT site was concoct some bogus theory to be lapped up by the masses. 

That post and the comments that followed it just confirmed the hate-hate relationship i have with the NY Times content. Far from being a cutting edge, forward thinking publication, it&#039;s lately been a repository for all kinds of hucksterism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember trying to read Freakonomics when it first came out and being immediately put off by the first chapter. There, the writers put forward the theory that the reason crime rates went down in the 90s was because women who would have given birth to criminals in the late 60s/early 70s had abortions.</p>
<p>WTF? I think I didn&#8217;t make it beyond page 5. Was I supposed to find this kind of thinking subversive? I just found it horribly offensive. So it&#8217;s not surprising to see these tools come with the fat hate. Nor is it surprising to read the smug comments. I tried to get a comment posted yesterday, but in my anger, I spouted off about how I&#8217;d missed my calling and all I needed to do to get a blog on the NYT site was concoct some bogus theory to be lapped up by the masses. </p>
<p>That post and the comments that followed it just confirmed the hate-hate relationship i have with the NY Times content. Far from being a cutting edge, forward thinking publication, it&#8217;s lately been a repository for all kinds of hucksterism.</p>
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		<title>By: Ailbhe</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/07/29/oh-and-your-book-sucks-too/#comment-105326</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ailbhe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 07:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Slow Cookers: If you are money-poor and time-rich, you can do complicated things with insulated boxes, sometimes called &quot;hayboxes,&quot; where you heat the food to hot, insulate it, and it cooks in its own heat without further energy use. I&#039;ve heard of it being used to make porridge overnight, and I&#039;d use it for vegetable stew but not meat stew, I think. I can imagine it doing brilliantly for curries full of chickpeas and lentils.

Tea vs Coffee: Given equal brewing time, apparently tea has MORE caffeine than coffee. Certainly I can drink more of it without getting stomach trouble.

Cheap nasty food: My mother&#039;s last year with a dependent adult child at home, who was finishing school, she lived on the cheapest foods, and turned diabetic. She has since controlled her diet - at first rigidly and now just &quot;back to pre-poverty levels&quot; but will never feel safe again eating exactly what she pleases. Highly processed supermarket own-brand white bread and noodles and sugar-laden instafoods are cheaper than cook-your-own type things even in farmtastic Ireland.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slow Cookers: If you are money-poor and time-rich, you can do complicated things with insulated boxes, sometimes called &#8220;hayboxes,&#8221; where you heat the food to hot, insulate it, and it cooks in its own heat without further energy use. I&#8217;ve heard of it being used to make porridge overnight, and I&#8217;d use it for vegetable stew but not meat stew, I think. I can imagine it doing brilliantly for curries full of chickpeas and lentils.</p>
<p>Tea vs Coffee: Given equal brewing time, apparently tea has MORE caffeine than coffee. Certainly I can drink more of it without getting stomach trouble.</p>
<p>Cheap nasty food: My mother&#8217;s last year with a dependent adult child at home, who was finishing school, she lived on the cheapest foods, and turned diabetic. She has since controlled her diet &#8211; at first rigidly and now just &#8220;back to pre-poverty levels&#8221; but will never feel safe again eating exactly what she pleases. Highly processed supermarket own-brand white bread and noodles and sugar-laden instafoods are cheaper than cook-your-own type things even in farmtastic Ireland.</p>
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