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		<title>By: The Nun</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/04/23/stumbling-towards-ecstasy/#comment-95045</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 06:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To Amber de Katt: 
It is Matthew 5:28 &quot;But I say to you, anyone who stares at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.&quot;
It is followed immediately by: &quot;So if your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one of your body parts than to have your whole body thrown into hell.&quot; 
The preceding and following verses in the chapter are about taking responsibility for oneself and ones actions -  the responsibility of looking and thinking is on the one who is looking and thinking they may look away, which is the choice aspect that I believe fillyjonk is talking about. If food had the free will to tempt an individual and did so maliciously, it would have the responsibility to make reparations (Matthew 5:23-4 &quot;&quot;So if you are presenting your gift at the altar and remember there that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar and first go and be reconciled to your brother. Then come and offer your gift.&quot;), but as it does not, the onus is on that individual who, through their free will, succumbed to the temptation recklessly, again, the point that fillyjonk seems to be making. 
(In short, your basis of argument is placement of blame; fillyjonk&#039;s argument is based on responsibility for oneself. You are both correct, but it is apples and oranges.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Amber de Katt:<br />
It is Matthew 5:28 &#8220;But I say to you, anyone who stares at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.&#8221;<br />
It is followed immediately by: &#8220;So if your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one of your body parts than to have your whole body thrown into hell.&#8221;<br />
The preceding and following verses in the chapter are about taking responsibility for oneself and ones actions &#8211;  the responsibility of looking and thinking is on the one who is looking and thinking they may look away, which is the choice aspect that I believe fillyjonk is talking about. If food had the free will to tempt an individual and did so maliciously, it would have the responsibility to make reparations (Matthew 5:23-4 &#8220;&#8221;So if you are presenting your gift at the altar and remember there that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar and first go and be reconciled to your brother. Then come and offer your gift.&#8221;), but as it does not, the onus is on that individual who, through their free will, succumbed to the temptation recklessly, again, the point that fillyjonk seems to be making.<br />
(In short, your basis of argument is placement of blame; fillyjonk&#8217;s argument is based on responsibility for oneself. You are both correct, but it is apples and oranges.)</p>
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		<title>By: HermitExtrovert</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/04/23/stumbling-towards-ecstasy/#comment-94361</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 21:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With regards to the Pima Indians, other indigenous groups, and diabetes, I believe there was a recent news article linking instances of type 2 diabetes to exposure to arsenic in the water - why is that angle not talked about? 

Just as intuitive eating seems to really clash with our cultural understandings, so much so as to be incomprehensible to most people, I find the idea that disease could possibly come from somewhere other than individual behavior to be so foreign to most people - it&#039;s amazing we have any environmental justice at all.

It&#039;s despicable, really - during the asbestos trials in Libby Montana (miners and their families dying of mesothelioma right and left), the company accused all of them of inducing lung cancer in themselves through smoking - that was the very first tactic they employed to discredit the people they sickened. It says something.

We are being sold a bit of goods, and the abysmal way fat people are treated is only part of the picture, unfortunately.

Anyway, I applaud SP for asking these questions and delving into these cultural patterns. Someone has to keep track of the horseshit we have to shovel out of our minds on a daily basis. 

This process is difficult - Understanding helps! Many thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With regards to the Pima Indians, other indigenous groups, and diabetes, I believe there was a recent news article linking instances of type 2 diabetes to exposure to arsenic in the water &#8211; why is that angle not talked about? </p>
<p>Just as intuitive eating seems to really clash with our cultural understandings, so much so as to be incomprehensible to most people, I find the idea that disease could possibly come from somewhere other than individual behavior to be so foreign to most people &#8211; it&#8217;s amazing we have any environmental justice at all.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s despicable, really &#8211; during the asbestos trials in Libby Montana (miners and their families dying of mesothelioma right and left), the company accused all of them of inducing lung cancer in themselves through smoking &#8211; that was the very first tactic they employed to discredit the people they sickened. It says something.</p>
<p>We are being sold a bit of goods, and the abysmal way fat people are treated is only part of the picture, unfortunately.</p>
<p>Anyway, I applaud SP for asking these questions and delving into these cultural patterns. Someone has to keep track of the horseshit we have to shovel out of our minds on a daily basis. </p>
<p>This process is difficult &#8211; Understanding helps! Many thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: LB</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/04/23/stumbling-towards-ecstasy/#comment-93379</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a week old, and no one will read this far down in the comments, but I love this:  

&quot;I don’t have to eat things just because I have a chance to or I have a notion to or nobody’s watching. Restriction makes you do that, not liberation.&quot;

I was put on a very restrictive diet as a child by my well-intentioned (?) fat-phobic mother. I was always hungry and developed the habit of sneaking food, every chance I got. I am thin now, and have a healthy relationship with food (post-hospitalization for severe bulimia), but I still can&#039;t hear the word &quot;diet&quot; without heading to the fridge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a week old, and no one will read this far down in the comments, but I love this:  </p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t have to eat things just because I have a chance to or I have a notion to or nobody’s watching. Restriction makes you do that, not liberation.&#8221;</p>
<p>I was put on a very restrictive diet as a child by my well-intentioned (?) fat-phobic mother. I was always hungry and developed the habit of sneaking food, every chance I got. I am thin now, and have a healthy relationship with food (post-hospitalization for severe bulimia), but I still can&#8217;t hear the word &#8220;diet&#8221; without heading to the fridge.</p>
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		<title>By: Amber de Katt</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/04/23/stumbling-towards-ecstasy/#comment-93300</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amber de Katt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 05:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t read the comments yet, so I apologize if someone&#039;s already made this point.

Your analogy of eating to the Modesty Survey is flawed in one HUGE area -- for conservative Christians, especially of the fundagelical variety, ~thinking~ about a no-no IS a sin.  You are &quot;charged&quot; with committing that sin just as if you actually had ~done~ it.  Ergo, thinking about having sex with that pretty girl you just ogled IS THE SAME THING as actually jumping her right then and there.

I forget the prooftext Bible verse, but fundagelical teens get lectured on it quite often.  it was also in the very first Chick tract I ever saw, back in my pre-teens.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read the comments yet, so I apologize if someone&#8217;s already made this point.</p>
<p>Your analogy of eating to the Modesty Survey is flawed in one HUGE area &#8212; for conservative Christians, especially of the fundagelical variety, ~thinking~ about a no-no IS a sin.  You are &#8220;charged&#8221; with committing that sin just as if you actually had ~done~ it.  Ergo, thinking about having sex with that pretty girl you just ogled IS THE SAME THING as actually jumping her right then and there.</p>
<p>I forget the prooftext Bible verse, but fundagelical teens get lectured on it quite often.  it was also in the very first Chick tract I ever saw, back in my pre-teens.</p>
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		<title>By: Vixen</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Best. Post. Ever.

And thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best. Post. Ever.</p>
<p>And thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Nia</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/04/23/stumbling-towards-ecstasy/#comment-93199</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow. One day I&#039;ll achieve this. I&#039;m sure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. One day I&#8217;ll achieve this. I&#8217;m sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/04/23/stumbling-towards-ecstasy/#comment-93198</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Claire]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 06:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this post really articulated the kind of relationship I&#039;m trying to develope with food, and the reasons I&#039;m frustrated when my mom comes over all concerned because of how many calories were in those cheesy crackers I ate. If I want some cheesy crackers I&#039;m gonna eat them, and not feel guilty about being omgfat.  

It also works the other way though. Now that I don&#039;t see salad as something that I, as a fattie, should be eating, I&#039;ve descovered that it&#039;s one of my favorite foods and eat it all the time. The same goes for a lot of healthy foods that I enjoyed less when I was eating them because I was &quot;supposed to&quot; and I&#039;m actually eating a lot less junk food than I was before, which is again why I refuse to feel guilty when I eat foods I &quot;shouldn&#039;t.&quot; 

Maybe I&#039;ll send this to my mother...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this post really articulated the kind of relationship I&#8217;m trying to develope with food, and the reasons I&#8217;m frustrated when my mom comes over all concerned because of how many calories were in those cheesy crackers I ate. If I want some cheesy crackers I&#8217;m gonna eat them, and not feel guilty about being omgfat.  </p>
<p>It also works the other way though. Now that I don&#8217;t see salad as something that I, as a fattie, should be eating, I&#8217;ve descovered that it&#8217;s one of my favorite foods and eat it all the time. The same goes for a lot of healthy foods that I enjoyed less when I was eating them because I was &#8220;supposed to&#8221; and I&#8217;m actually eating a lot less junk food than I was before, which is again why I refuse to feel guilty when I eat foods I &#8220;shouldn&#8217;t.&#8221; </p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;ll send this to my mother&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/04/23/stumbling-towards-ecstasy/#comment-93196</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 04:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read a lot about intuitive eating many years ago, and somehow or other I managed to start doing it, and now I have it down.  It took a long time to learn that just because I could have something, I should.  I also used to interpret the legalizing food business as getting comfortable with anything to not eat it if it&#039;s in front of me.  After realizing that I was comfortable with the ice cream cone, or a few handfuls of chips at a party, but still ate them all if I had in the house, I just don&#039;t keep these things in the house.  Thanks for this, it&#039;s very easy to have strange interpretations of what in theory should be simple concepts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read a lot about intuitive eating many years ago, and somehow or other I managed to start doing it, and now I have it down.  It took a long time to learn that just because I could have something, I should.  I also used to interpret the legalizing food business as getting comfortable with anything to not eat it if it&#8217;s in front of me.  After realizing that I was comfortable with the ice cream cone, or a few handfuls of chips at a party, but still ate them all if I had in the house, I just don&#8217;t keep these things in the house.  Thanks for this, it&#8217;s very easy to have strange interpretations of what in theory should be simple concepts.</p>
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		<title>By: living400lbs</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/04/23/stumbling-towards-ecstasy/#comment-93165</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[living400lbs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;One of the things I’ve been teaching myself over the years is that wanting something doesn’t necessarily mean having to have it. Instead, wanting something can be a nice dream of “someday” - a little fantasy to allow me to wander off somewhere else in my own head and have a look at the type of person I’d be if I got it. Often, that person isn’t me, and I’m quite content to just accept it as a dream.&lt;/i&gt; 

Totally.  I&#039;ve also learned to look at, say, a painting, or beautiful vase, or earrings, and to be glad that it exists even if it&#039;s not coming home with me.  Sort of a &quot;I really like you (even though I have no room / too many others / no money) and I&#039;m so glad I got to see you, I hope you find a good home&quot; feeling.   I find that makes it a lot easier to walk away without purchase.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>One of the things I’ve been teaching myself over the years is that wanting something doesn’t necessarily mean having to have it. Instead, wanting something can be a nice dream of “someday” &#8211; a little fantasy to allow me to wander off somewhere else in my own head and have a look at the type of person I’d be if I got it. Often, that person isn’t me, and I’m quite content to just accept it as a dream.</i> </p>
<p>Totally.  I&#8217;ve also learned to look at, say, a painting, or beautiful vase, or earrings, and to be glad that it exists even if it&#8217;s not coming home with me.  Sort of a &#8220;I really like you (even though I have no room / too many others / no money) and I&#8217;m so glad I got to see you, I hope you find a good home&#8221; feeling.   I find that makes it a lot easier to walk away without purchase.</p>
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		<title>By: JennyD</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/04/23/stumbling-towards-ecstasy/#comment-93147</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, fillyjonk, for this wonderful piece.  And thank you to all the commentors for the additional insights.  I have been lurking for a few months and I must say this blog is amazing and I am so glad I landed here somehow (can&#039;t remember for the life of me how I found you all).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, fillyjonk, for this wonderful piece.  And thank you to all the commentors for the additional insights.  I have been lurking for a few months and I must say this blog is amazing and I am so glad I landed here somehow (can&#8217;t remember for the life of me how I found you all).</p>
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