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		<title>By: kate</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/04/20/we-have-video/#comment-97552</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is an excellent point that what these policies enforce is the idea that fat people have no right to travel. When I was a teenager and my BMI of under 18 allowed me to sit comfortably in an airline seat, and even (wait for it) *crosslegged* in an airline seat, flying was a piece of cake and I actually enjoyed it. Since then the only thing that has changed is my size, which is at last shop a 10 US (and the addition of those super-cool personal entertainment systems that never work and when they do work prevent me from reading my intellectually rewarding book because of oooo pretty colours), and flying is *awful*. Just unbearable.

I exactly fit into the seats. My bum is exactly the right shape for the built-in bum-depression in the cushion. One would think that this would be more comfortable than when I was far too small. Alas, no. I wriggle constantly, trying to - just - let - me- argh, ok, move my foot a *bit* to the left and - no - argh - wedgie - shift up and surreptitiously pick my skirt and knickers out of my bum and - there, no wait - argh - scoot bum forwards - wedgie again, well shit, vodka please. Let me tell you, six hours of wriggling exhausts me, gives me aches and pains behind my knees and all along my back, gives me shadowed eyes and frizzy hair (because I catch it constantly on the head rest), makes my skin dry from stress, and fills my clothes with static.

I arrive at my destination looking like someone put me in a polyester bag and left me on the floor of a tube station for five hours. I can&#039;t even imagine what a very tall person must be going through, but from their pained faces and tight smiles when I glance across the aisle I&#039;m not sure I want to.

I understand that putting fewer passengers in an airplane will increase fuel expenditure. I understand that a person weighing 150 kilos takes up more of the airplane&#039;s weight capacity. I also understand, however, how being such frugal pricks allows airlines to fit in those heavy-as-all-fuck luxury beds and the glass staircases and the chic bar in first class, making everyone in economy who is equal to or larger than a size 8 US and 5&#039;7&quot; miserable in the process.

Private company has a right to offer whatever services they want to their customers my lovely rounded arse. Where&#039;s regulation in all this? Beyond that: where&#039;s the chomping-at-the-bit new entrepreneurial spirit that is a fat-and-tall-and-normal-friendly airline? Charge us all a bit more for lovely comfy seating that even MeMeMeMe can appreciate, do away with first-class, and you&#039;ll make so much fucking money you&#039;ll be able to make a papier-maché 747 out of Ben Franklins. WITH WIDER SEATS, GODDAMMIT.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is an excellent point that what these policies enforce is the idea that fat people have no right to travel. When I was a teenager and my BMI of under 18 allowed me to sit comfortably in an airline seat, and even (wait for it) *crosslegged* in an airline seat, flying was a piece of cake and I actually enjoyed it. Since then the only thing that has changed is my size, which is at last shop a 10 US (and the addition of those super-cool personal entertainment systems that never work and when they do work prevent me from reading my intellectually rewarding book because of oooo pretty colours), and flying is *awful*. Just unbearable.</p>
<p>I exactly fit into the seats. My bum is exactly the right shape for the built-in bum-depression in the cushion. One would think that this would be more comfortable than when I was far too small. Alas, no. I wriggle constantly, trying to &#8211; just &#8211; let &#8211; me- argh, ok, move my foot a *bit* to the left and &#8211; no &#8211; argh &#8211; wedgie &#8211; shift up and surreptitiously pick my skirt and knickers out of my bum and &#8211; there, no wait &#8211; argh &#8211; scoot bum forwards &#8211; wedgie again, well shit, vodka please. Let me tell you, six hours of wriggling exhausts me, gives me aches and pains behind my knees and all along my back, gives me shadowed eyes and frizzy hair (because I catch it constantly on the head rest), makes my skin dry from stress, and fills my clothes with static.</p>
<p>I arrive at my destination looking like someone put me in a polyester bag and left me on the floor of a tube station for five hours. I can&#8217;t even imagine what a very tall person must be going through, but from their pained faces and tight smiles when I glance across the aisle I&#8217;m not sure I want to.</p>
<p>I understand that putting fewer passengers in an airplane will increase fuel expenditure. I understand that a person weighing 150 kilos takes up more of the airplane&#8217;s weight capacity. I also understand, however, how being such frugal pricks allows airlines to fit in those heavy-as-all-fuck luxury beds and the glass staircases and the chic bar in first class, making everyone in economy who is equal to or larger than a size 8 US and 5&#8217;7&#8243; miserable in the process.</p>
<p>Private company has a right to offer whatever services they want to their customers my lovely rounded arse. Where&#8217;s regulation in all this? Beyond that: where&#8217;s the chomping-at-the-bit new entrepreneurial spirit that is a fat-and-tall-and-normal-friendly airline? Charge us all a bit more for lovely comfy seating that even MeMeMeMe can appreciate, do away with first-class, and you&#8217;ll make so much fucking money you&#8217;ll be able to make a papier-maché 747 out of Ben Franklins. WITH WIDER SEATS, GODDAMMIT.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/04/20/we-have-video/#comment-92936</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m quite late and must admit to being somewhat against you at first. I thought that instead of firing off randomly and making an arse out of myself, I should find out more about you and your P.O.V. I must say, I respect you for standing firm! Keep doing what you&#039;re doing out there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m quite late and must admit to being somewhat against you at first. I thought that instead of firing off randomly and making an arse out of myself, I should find out more about you and your P.O.V. I must say, I respect you for standing firm! Keep doing what you&#8217;re doing out there.</p>
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		<title>By: ralfalfa</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/04/20/we-have-video/#comment-92778</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oh i&#039;m coming late to this party, but 

NICE! great job and good to see you. :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh i&#8217;m coming late to this party, but </p>
<p>NICE! great job and good to see you. :D</p>
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		<title>By: jenn</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/04/20/we-have-video/#comment-92776</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jenn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t usually comment here, but just wanted to say, Kate, you were really articulate, kept your cool, and looked absolutely great doing it. :)

I think that if it was really about people taking up too much room, they&#039;d be charging tall people, people with broad shoulders, bodybuilders, men who spread out WAY too far, people who insist on wearing bulky coats... but since they&#039;re not, its fairly safe to assume that its not about the space being taken up. They know that they can overcharge fat people and nobody will speak up. Its horrible and they&#039;re just taking advantage of the prejudice of the moment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t usually comment here, but just wanted to say, Kate, you were really articulate, kept your cool, and looked absolutely great doing it. :)</p>
<p>I think that if it was really about people taking up too much room, they&#8217;d be charging tall people, people with broad shoulders, bodybuilders, men who spread out WAY too far, people who insist on wearing bulky coats&#8230; but since they&#8217;re not, its fairly safe to assume that its not about the space being taken up. They know that they can overcharge fat people and nobody will speak up. Its horrible and they&#8217;re just taking advantage of the prejudice of the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: stacy</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/04/20/we-have-video/#comment-92763</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 07:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t read the comments yet, but I wanted to ask something that *has* to have come up before, but I haven&#039;t seen much of it. On the clip, the reporter kept claiming that people are 20-25 lbs heavier today on average than they were 25 years ago. 

BUT! Aren&#039;t we also several inches TALLER on average than 25 years ago? SHOULDN&#039;T we be heavier in parallel, then??

I know I&#039;m heavier than my grandma. I&#039;m also five inches taller. She&#039;s fatter than me. I just happen to weigh more. 

It&#039;s a false dichotomy. We have (relatively) better nutrition with every generation, children mature faster, and people are taller. Heck, go to any museum and look at the size of an average person from 100 years ago--I&#039;d tower over a medieval knight and probably outweigh one by a hundred pounds. Yet we keep hearing &quot;people are heavier! people are heavier!&quot; 

Well, duh. We&#039;re just plain taller, too. Therefore, airlines need to keep in mind that the average flier isn&#039;t going to be a 5&#039;4&quot; man and a shorter woman. It&#039;s going to be a 5&#039;8&quot; woman and men over 6&#039; tall!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read the comments yet, but I wanted to ask something that *has* to have come up before, but I haven&#8217;t seen much of it. On the clip, the reporter kept claiming that people are 20-25 lbs heavier today on average than they were 25 years ago. </p>
<p>BUT! Aren&#8217;t we also several inches TALLER on average than 25 years ago? SHOULDN&#8217;T we be heavier in parallel, then??</p>
<p>I know I&#8217;m heavier than my grandma. I&#8217;m also five inches taller. She&#8217;s fatter than me. I just happen to weigh more. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a false dichotomy. We have (relatively) better nutrition with every generation, children mature faster, and people are taller. Heck, go to any museum and look at the size of an average person from 100 years ago&#8211;I&#8217;d tower over a medieval knight and probably outweigh one by a hundred pounds. Yet we keep hearing &#8220;people are heavier! people are heavier!&#8221; </p>
<p>Well, duh. We&#8217;re just plain taller, too. Therefore, airlines need to keep in mind that the average flier isn&#8217;t going to be a 5&#8217;4&#8243; man and a shorter woman. It&#8217;s going to be a 5&#8217;8&#8243; woman and men over 6&#8242; tall!</p>
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		<title>By: Ashi</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/04/20/we-have-video/#comment-92549</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ashi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t want to come across as negative, but I don&#039;t agree with your view that the airlines should give an extra seat for free.  Wanting a bigger seat instead of an extra seat is reasonable. But I believe in the market solution -- if there&#039;s really a need for larger seats, the airlines will add them in and give you that option. If one airline doesn&#039;t, then their competitor will and will get that business.  As a person who eats more than other people, I have to buy more food.  If someone takes up more room, they should have to pay the cost of that extra seat (again, I&#039;m not trying to be negative, just saying what I think is a fair way).  I hope you&#039;ll agree with me, but also recognize that the larger seats if added will have to cost more, and I don&#039;t think that&#039;s unfair at all - while forcing the airlines to give fat people an extra seat for free will result in the costs being passed on to others.  In a buffet, those who eat less are compensating for those who eat more, but that&#039;s done by the business freely, the business shouldn&#039;t be forced to do something like that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want to come across as negative, but I don&#8217;t agree with your view that the airlines should give an extra seat for free.  Wanting a bigger seat instead of an extra seat is reasonable. But I believe in the market solution &#8212; if there&#8217;s really a need for larger seats, the airlines will add them in and give you that option. If one airline doesn&#8217;t, then their competitor will and will get that business.  As a person who eats more than other people, I have to buy more food.  If someone takes up more room, they should have to pay the cost of that extra seat (again, I&#8217;m not trying to be negative, just saying what I think is a fair way).  I hope you&#8217;ll agree with me, but also recognize that the larger seats if added will have to cost more, and I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s unfair at all &#8211; while forcing the airlines to give fat people an extra seat for free will result in the costs being passed on to others.  In a buffet, those who eat less are compensating for those who eat more, but that&#8217;s done by the business freely, the business shouldn&#8217;t be forced to do something like that.</p>
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		<title>By: O.C.</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/04/20/we-have-video/#comment-92519</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[O.C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know, I still don&#039;t get the business sense of these policies.  Do grouchy thin people really look at the news, notice these stories, and then decide to fly on the airlines that are meanest to fat people?  Do these decisions really draw in new business?  I find it hard to believe they do.  So why bother being cruel?  

I tell you, between this and some of the other bizarro stories swirling around these days, sometimes I just don&#039;t understand the world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I still don&#8217;t get the business sense of these policies.  Do grouchy thin people really look at the news, notice these stories, and then decide to fly on the airlines that are meanest to fat people?  Do these decisions really draw in new business?  I find it hard to believe they do.  So why bother being cruel?  </p>
<p>I tell you, between this and some of the other bizarro stories swirling around these days, sometimes I just don&#8217;t understand the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/04/20/we-have-video/#comment-92518</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bonnie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, I love your hair.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I love your hair.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/04/20/we-have-video/#comment-92517</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bonnie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[YAY! 

Kate, you look so cute.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YAY! </p>
<p>Kate, you look so cute.</p>
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		<title>By: Annissa</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/04/20/we-have-video/#comment-92466</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Annissa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[About this whole policy, I would like to reap the benefits of two seats if I have to pay for it.

I want two headsets, two little bags of peanuts, two pillows, two blankets and so on and so forth. If there is an included meal, I want two of those too. 

Also I most definitely do not want ANYONE infringing upon my second seat that I most likely will not be taking up 100% of. Don&#039;t touch my armrest!

My solution to the whole problem:
I think if the airlines are so *concerned* with the comfort of its thin cranky passengers and not cash that perhaps they should stop overbooking. If there were always rows of three and they only seated two people per row, everyone would get a seat and a half and they wouldn&#039;t need to replace their seats (which probably is legitimately costly). I&#039;m sure thin people wouldn&#039;t mind having extra room.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About this whole policy, I would like to reap the benefits of two seats if I have to pay for it.</p>
<p>I want two headsets, two little bags of peanuts, two pillows, two blankets and so on and so forth. If there is an included meal, I want two of those too. </p>
<p>Also I most definitely do not want ANYONE infringing upon my second seat that I most likely will not be taking up 100% of. Don&#8217;t touch my armrest!</p>
<p>My solution to the whole problem:<br />
I think if the airlines are so *concerned* with the comfort of its thin cranky passengers and not cash that perhaps they should stop overbooking. If there were always rows of three and they only seated two people per row, everyone would get a seat and a half and they wouldn&#8217;t need to replace their seats (which probably is legitimately costly). I&#8217;m sure thin people wouldn&#8217;t mind having extra room.</p>
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