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		<title>By: Mim</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/02/24/midweek-fluff-web-detective/#comment-86585</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I actually went back to my psychiatrist and asked for More Therapy Please yesterday. Which I feel is progress because last time I was considered for psychotherapy on any in-depth level I was way too broken to handle it. So the post-therapy ARGH is sort of good as well as being really really rubbish.

That conversation-in-head sounds highly familiar, yes. I spend all my time feeling stupid and it&#039;s just about possible that using 97% of my mental energy on complex layers of metagloom is not helpful. Funny, that.

My best diversionary tactic therapywise is to talk at great length about my Safe Neuroses, because analysing things that are valid subjects for therapy is quite a cunning way of disguising the fact that I am simply skirting over the Abyss Of Screaming Raw Neurons. Although I&#039;m pretty sure that my therapist spotted that a whole year of therapy with a complete lack of Relationship Stuff was not very subtle at all of me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually went back to my psychiatrist and asked for More Therapy Please yesterday. Which I feel is progress because last time I was considered for psychotherapy on any in-depth level I was way too broken to handle it. So the post-therapy ARGH is sort of good as well as being really really rubbish.</p>
<p>That conversation-in-head sounds highly familiar, yes. I spend all my time feeling stupid and it&#8217;s just about possible that using 97% of my mental energy on complex layers of metagloom is not helpful. Funny, that.</p>
<p>My best diversionary tactic therapywise is to talk at great length about my Safe Neuroses, because analysing things that are valid subjects for therapy is quite a cunning way of disguising the fact that I am simply skirting over the Abyss Of Screaming Raw Neurons. Although I&#8217;m pretty sure that my therapist spotted that a whole year of therapy with a complete lack of Relationship Stuff was not very subtle at all of me.</p>
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		<title>By: A Sarah</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/02/24/midweek-fluff-web-detective/#comment-86328</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Sarah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ohhhh, Mim, excuse me if this isn&#039;t where you are, but I totally found it hard the first few weeks after ending therapy (that is, with the one therapist I connected well with and saw more than a few times).  And I also totally know what you mean about talking to friends and suspecting they hate every minute of it.  

(Incidentally, for me that always then spirals into a conversation that goes roughly, &quot;HEY, YOU&#039;D BETTER NOT LET ON THAT YOU FEEL THIS WAY, SELF, BECAUSE PEOPLE REALLY DON&#039;T LIKE AN INSECURE LOSER!  (Like yourself.) WAIT, WHAT? NO, THAT&#039;S EXACTLY WHAT YOU&#039;RE SUPPOSED TO STOP THINKING, YOU LOSER, WHAT&#039;S WRONG WITH YOU!?  D&#039;oh!  Ahhh, crap, let&#039;s just stay away from other humans, shall we?&quot; etc.)

Anyway, yeah, I just wanted to say congratulations on your graduation from counseling, from a fellow alumna who is also prone to oversharing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohhhh, Mim, excuse me if this isn&#8217;t where you are, but I totally found it hard the first few weeks after ending therapy (that is, with the one therapist I connected well with and saw more than a few times).  And I also totally know what you mean about talking to friends and suspecting they hate every minute of it.  </p>
<p>(Incidentally, for me that always then spirals into a conversation that goes roughly, &#8220;HEY, YOU&#8217;D BETTER NOT LET ON THAT YOU FEEL THIS WAY, SELF, BECAUSE PEOPLE REALLY DON&#8217;T LIKE AN INSECURE LOSER!  (Like yourself.) WAIT, WHAT? NO, THAT&#8217;S EXACTLY WHAT YOU&#8217;RE SUPPOSED TO STOP THINKING, YOU LOSER, WHAT&#8217;S WRONG WITH YOU!?  D&#8217;oh!  Ahhh, crap, let&#8217;s just stay away from other humans, shall we?&#8221; etc.)</p>
<p>Anyway, yeah, I just wanted to say congratulations on your graduation from counseling, from a fellow alumna who is also prone to oversharing.</p>
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		<title>By: Caitlin</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/02/24/midweek-fluff-web-detective/#comment-86257</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aaaand somehow I missed the chat about the trivialising effect of &quot;web-stalking&quot; before I posted. Sorry for the insensitivity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaaand somehow I missed the chat about the trivialising effect of &#8220;web-stalking&#8221; before I posted. Sorry for the insensitivity.</p>
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		<title>By: Caitlin</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/02/24/midweek-fluff-web-detective/#comment-86256</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Caitlin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah! Web-stalking and why I should not do it:

Last year I had a lab for my course, and one of our demonstrators was hot as, and vibing all sorts of gay. (I started getting up half an hour early so I could put on eyeliner for a 9am lab, is how hot. I don&#039;t usually get up by 9am for a 9am lab. But anyway.)

I fail at romantic situations so I spent the whole lab being too scared to do anything but talk to her intermittently about science and drop things when she looked at me. She didn&#039;t have a name tag so at the end of the session a) I had no way of getting in contact with her and b) I was unlikely to see her again (because the demonstrators rotate). But! I had found out her area of PhD research! Excellent.

So I went home and googled her on our uni web site, and found her full name, which let&#039;s say was Sarah Smith. There was a picture of her and everything! I was very happy.

Then I got into my lab again the next day and SHE WAS THERE (that&#039;s not supposed to happen!). I got all flustered and my lab partner asked me where to put something and I said &quot;Over there next to Sarah&quot;, forgetting there was NO EARTHLY REASON why I or ANYONE ELSE IN THE LAB would know her name. She was clearly within hearing distance and turned round to look at me like, &quot;What the &lt;i&gt;fuck&lt;/i&gt;?&quot; I avoided her for rest of the day in shame.

She did not come back. Thank goodness. I am not allowed to use the internet -- I cannot be trusted with that information.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah! Web-stalking and why I should not do it:</p>
<p>Last year I had a lab for my course, and one of our demonstrators was hot as, and vibing all sorts of gay. (I started getting up half an hour early so I could put on eyeliner for a 9am lab, is how hot. I don&#8217;t usually get up by 9am for a 9am lab. But anyway.)</p>
<p>I fail at romantic situations so I spent the whole lab being too scared to do anything but talk to her intermittently about science and drop things when she looked at me. She didn&#8217;t have a name tag so at the end of the session a) I had no way of getting in contact with her and b) I was unlikely to see her again (because the demonstrators rotate). But! I had found out her area of PhD research! Excellent.</p>
<p>So I went home and googled her on our uni web site, and found her full name, which let&#8217;s say was Sarah Smith. There was a picture of her and everything! I was very happy.</p>
<p>Then I got into my lab again the next day and SHE WAS THERE (that&#8217;s not supposed to happen!). I got all flustered and my lab partner asked me where to put something and I said &#8220;Over there next to Sarah&#8221;, forgetting there was NO EARTHLY REASON why I or ANYONE ELSE IN THE LAB would know her name. She was clearly within hearing distance and turned round to look at me like, &#8220;What the <i>fuck</i>?&#8221; I avoided her for rest of the day in shame.</p>
<p>She did not come back. Thank goodness. I am not allowed to use the internet &#8212; I cannot be trusted with that information.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jessica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A Sarah, I didn&#039;t find anything you wrote offensive. 

After I read the news article, I had lunch with an old friend - a guy I dated in college, who was as far away from a psycho-killer as one can dispositionally get. And so of course I was like, &quot;You&#039;ll never guess what I found out this morning!&quot; 

But the surprise was that actually, he did guess. I got like five sentences into the story, and he got this strange and knowing look on his face, and it turns out that HIS WIFE went on a date with this same psycho-killer-to-be in high school too! And her best friend had actually been psycho-killer-to-be&#039;s girlfriend for a while. So my friend&#039;s wife had found out about the case some months earlier, and been following it. 

She and I had never known this point of connection because we went to different high schools, and then when we met as adults, we weren&#039;t about to sit down and compare our list of ex&#039;s to find any other potential overlaps, you know? 

So of course I e-mailed her right away and was like, &quot;You dated him too? Did he say this? Did he do that? Can you believe all this?&quot;

This is all a very long way to say that I, too, was extraordinarily relieved to have a point of connection with someone about this. 

And of course, there are people whose lives are much more shaken up than mine - of course! My shake-up is barely noticeable in the grand spectrum of shake-ups over this guy. 

Nevertheless, yeah, I get you about the sense of relief.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Sarah, I didn&#8217;t find anything you wrote offensive. </p>
<p>After I read the news article, I had lunch with an old friend &#8211; a guy I dated in college, who was as far away from a psycho-killer as one can dispositionally get. And so of course I was like, &#8220;You&#8217;ll never guess what I found out this morning!&#8221; </p>
<p>But the surprise was that actually, he did guess. I got like five sentences into the story, and he got this strange and knowing look on his face, and it turns out that HIS WIFE went on a date with this same psycho-killer-to-be in high school too! And her best friend had actually been psycho-killer-to-be&#8217;s girlfriend for a while. So my friend&#8217;s wife had found out about the case some months earlier, and been following it. </p>
<p>She and I had never known this point of connection because we went to different high schools, and then when we met as adults, we weren&#8217;t about to sit down and compare our list of ex&#8217;s to find any other potential overlaps, you know? </p>
<p>So of course I e-mailed her right away and was like, &#8220;You dated him too? Did he say this? Did he do that? Can you believe all this?&#8221;</p>
<p>This is all a very long way to say that I, too, was extraordinarily relieved to have a point of connection with someone about this. </p>
<p>And of course, there are people whose lives are much more shaken up than mine &#8211; of course! My shake-up is barely noticeable in the grand spectrum of shake-ups over this guy. </p>
<p>Nevertheless, yeah, I get you about the sense of relief.</p>
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		<title>By: Mim</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/02/24/midweek-fluff-web-detective/#comment-86230</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Among some duds I have fortunately had one or two therapists who are quite good at very tactfully pointing out that I am Not Remotely Dealing With Things and am a Living Tangent and Overly Flippant. That said, I have been officially depressed for twelve and a bit years now and it was only with the guy I saw for this last year (I finished a couple of weeks ago) that I&#039;ve managed to get anywhere at all. And even that was only basic CBT things that have made me more able to: leave the house, make relatively simple phone calls, talk to my friends without &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; assuming they&#039;re hating every second of it, and make the occasional comment on friendly blogs. And once that was finished, and I was triggered by a smear test reminder last week, I did a large amount of insane sobbing and one very helpful way-TMI MSN conversation and finally feel that maybe there might be some point in doing something more in-depth so that even if I am unlovable and unemployable for the rest of my life at least I&#039;m not consumed with shame for minding.

One other thing therapy has done, incidentally, is make me overshare.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Among some duds I have fortunately had one or two therapists who are quite good at very tactfully pointing out that I am Not Remotely Dealing With Things and am a Living Tangent and Overly Flippant. That said, I have been officially depressed for twelve and a bit years now and it was only with the guy I saw for this last year (I finished a couple of weeks ago) that I&#8217;ve managed to get anywhere at all. And even that was only basic CBT things that have made me more able to: leave the house, make relatively simple phone calls, talk to my friends without <i>always</i> assuming they&#8217;re hating every second of it, and make the occasional comment on friendly blogs. And once that was finished, and I was triggered by a smear test reminder last week, I did a large amount of insane sobbing and one very helpful way-TMI MSN conversation and finally feel that maybe there might be some point in doing something more in-depth so that even if I am unlovable and unemployable for the rest of my life at least I&#8217;m not consumed with shame for minding.</p>
<p>One other thing therapy has done, incidentally, is make me overshare.</p>
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		<title>By: A Sarah</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/02/24/midweek-fluff-web-detective/#comment-86220</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Sarah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, I have to now rush and qualify what I wrote before, because I&#039;m pestered by the worry that the &quot;oddly relieved&quot; phrase in my previous comment will sound like, &quot;Oh, how lovely that your ex was a murderer!  SO WAS MINE!  We have so much in common.  Let&#039;s be BFFs!&quot;  

I think it&#039;s just that I&#039;ve had such a hard time sorting out how I felt about all that...  I mean, you know, he&#039;d been such an important part of my life; and yet he was not a part of my life any longer; yet the role he&#039;d played (which wasn&#039;t all bad, though in hindsight I wouldn&#039;t say it was a healthy relationship) continues to shape who I am now; and yet how could I be taking up precious time with grief when there were people close to the family who were understandably vastly more devastated?; and was there something I could have done to prevent this? etc.  

Anyway, I guess when I read your comment I felt a little less alone with all those swirling and confusing thoughts, is all.  Which is not any kind of &quot;bright side,&quot; and I&#039;m sorry if I made it sound like it was.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I have to now rush and qualify what I wrote before, because I&#8217;m pestered by the worry that the &#8220;oddly relieved&#8221; phrase in my previous comment will sound like, &#8220;Oh, how lovely that your ex was a murderer!  SO WAS MINE!  We have so much in common.  Let&#8217;s be BFFs!&#8221;  </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s just that I&#8217;ve had such a hard time sorting out how I felt about all that&#8230;  I mean, you know, he&#8217;d been such an important part of my life; and yet he was not a part of my life any longer; yet the role he&#8217;d played (which wasn&#8217;t all bad, though in hindsight I wouldn&#8217;t say it was a healthy relationship) continues to shape who I am now; and yet how could I be taking up precious time with grief when there were people close to the family who were understandably vastly more devastated?; and was there something I could have done to prevent this? etc.  </p>
<p>Anyway, I guess when I read your comment I felt a little less alone with all those swirling and confusing thoughts, is all.  Which is not any kind of &#8220;bright side,&#8221; and I&#8217;m sorry if I made it sound like it was.</p>
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		<title>By: LilahCello</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/02/24/midweek-fluff-web-detective/#comment-86219</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LilahCello]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[car - if you happen to see this (and because I&#039;m up with the baby and haven&#039;t read all of the following comments, which is a first for me), there are a few of us in the Syracuse area.  I was planning to go but forgot that my husband is working tonight.  I am so bummed.  If the baby weren&#039;t nursing still, I&#039;d consider leaving him with another family member, but he&#039;s not sleep well, so I feel that mom or dad needs to be with him at bedtime.  Enjoy the reading!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>car &#8211; if you happen to see this (and because I&#8217;m up with the baby and haven&#8217;t read all of the following comments, which is a first for me), there are a few of us in the Syracuse area.  I was planning to go but forgot that my husband is working tonight.  I am so bummed.  If the baby weren&#8217;t nursing still, I&#8217;d consider leaving him with another family member, but he&#8217;s not sleep well, so I feel that mom or dad needs to be with him at bedtime.  Enjoy the reading!</p>
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		<title>By: A Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Sarah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jessica, this may be macabre of me to say, but... I&#039;m kind of oddly relieved to come across someone who&#039;s had that experience too.  (Obviously I&#039;m not glad for you or anything like that!)   About a year and a half ago I got a phone call that my first serious boyfriend had murdered his wife (also a former friend of mine) in a particularly gruesome fashion.  He then killed their young child (in a more &quot;compassionate&quot; way, if that&#039;s possible)  before killing himself.  

Since he and I had lost touch I kind of felt like I somehow wasn&#039;t entitled to be as shaken up about it as I was, which makes no sense.  And I also couldn&#039;t quite put words to the ways in which I was shaken up.  Even the anniversary of their deaths was hard.  

I&#039;m not sure what I&#039;m trying to say, and once again I *really* don&#039;t mean to express any joy at your being a member of this club!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jessica, this may be macabre of me to say, but&#8230; I&#8217;m kind of oddly relieved to come across someone who&#8217;s had that experience too.  (Obviously I&#8217;m not glad for you or anything like that!)   About a year and a half ago I got a phone call that my first serious boyfriend had murdered his wife (also a former friend of mine) in a particularly gruesome fashion.  He then killed their young child (in a more &#8220;compassionate&#8221; way, if that&#8217;s possible)  before killing himself.  </p>
<p>Since he and I had lost touch I kind of felt like I somehow wasn&#8217;t entitled to be as shaken up about it as I was, which makes no sense.  And I also couldn&#8217;t quite put words to the ways in which I was shaken up.  Even the anniversary of their deaths was hard.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what I&#8217;m trying to say, and once again I *really* don&#8217;t mean to express any joy at your being a member of this club!</p>
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		<title>By: Ariane</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/02/24/midweek-fluff-web-detective/#comment-86215</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ariane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My only experience with the &quot;I&#039;m sick, send me money&quot; punter was in the days before Google. Before www in fact. A person in a newsgroup who told everyone she had repeated brain tumours. It went on for years, and eventually I became suspicious enough of inconsistencies and real life meeting avoidance that I decided she was a fraud and left it at that. 

Others eventually did the online and offline legwork and proved it. I believe there was a great kerfuffle and apologies and some forgiveness and some not. I had disappeared from the group by then.

On the other hand, I found a good friend from those days by Googling his old handle and his names and state of residence. That was cool.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My only experience with the &#8220;I&#8217;m sick, send me money&#8221; punter was in the days before Google. Before www in fact. A person in a newsgroup who told everyone she had repeated brain tumours. It went on for years, and eventually I became suspicious enough of inconsistencies and real life meeting avoidance that I decided she was a fraud and left it at that. </p>
<p>Others eventually did the online and offline legwork and proved it. I believe there was a great kerfuffle and apologies and some forgiveness and some not. I had disappeared from the group by then.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I found a good friend from those days by Googling his old handle and his names and state of residence. That was cool.</p>
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