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		<title>By: spuffyduds</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/02/06/open-thread-headless-fatties/#comment-102906</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is fascinating!

I note, too, that the editors who pair these photos with stories are, while making sweeping and unfounded and insulting assumptions about the subjects of the photos, also making a sweeping and unfounded and insulting assumption about the VIEWERS of the photos--namely, that they will all be repulsed at the photo subects.  It&#039;s insulting in the way that it is when someone tells you an abusive joke assuming that you&#039;ll find it as funny as they do, because doesn&#039;t everybody react like them?

Clearly we don&#039;t.  Clearly many of us react with rage at the attempt at dehumanization by the news organizations involved.  (And I must admit, while my thinky brain is reacting in high feminist dudgeon to the dehumanization, a much baser part of my brain is reacting to the occasional photo with &quot;Nice ass, YUM,&quot; which I am QUITE sure was not the intent of the story, either.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is fascinating!</p>
<p>I note, too, that the editors who pair these photos with stories are, while making sweeping and unfounded and insulting assumptions about the subjects of the photos, also making a sweeping and unfounded and insulting assumption about the VIEWERS of the photos&#8211;namely, that they will all be repulsed at the photo subects.  It&#8217;s insulting in the way that it is when someone tells you an abusive joke assuming that you&#8217;ll find it as funny as they do, because doesn&#8217;t everybody react like them?</p>
<p>Clearly we don&#8217;t.  Clearly many of us react with rage at the attempt at dehumanization by the news organizations involved.  (And I must admit, while my thinky brain is reacting in high feminist dudgeon to the dehumanization, a much baser part of my brain is reacting to the occasional photo with &#8220;Nice ass, YUM,&#8221; which I am QUITE sure was not the intent of the story, either.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ailbhe</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/02/06/open-thread-headless-fatties/#comment-84665</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[UR CARTOON HEADS R PASTED ON YAY]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UR CARTOON HEADS R PASTED ON YAY</p>
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		<title>By: Sweet Machine</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/02/06/open-thread-headless-fatties/#comment-84651</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sweet Machine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We are headless because we choose to be pseudonymous! We can paste our cartoon heads in there if need be. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are headless because we choose to be pseudonymous! We can paste our cartoon heads in there if need be. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: shiloh</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/02/06/open-thread-headless-fatties/#comment-84649</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Which is why they&#039;re such a contrast to the &quot;classic&quot; headless fatty, I&#039;m guessing.  The people in the BMI pictures have agency, while the people in the &quot;obesity epidemic&quot; pictures have had their agency taken away..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which is why they&#8217;re such a contrast to the &#8220;classic&#8221; headless fatty, I&#8217;m guessing.  The people in the BMI pictures have agency, while the people in the &#8220;obesity epidemic&#8221; pictures have had their agency taken away..</p>
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		<title>By: fillyjonk</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/02/06/open-thread-headless-fatties/#comment-84644</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But headless by choice. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But headless by choice. :)</p>
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		<title>By: shiloh</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/02/06/open-thread-headless-fatties/#comment-84642</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Heh.  Someone commented on the BMI project post (http://kateharding.net/bmi-illustrated/#comment-84637), wherein both Sweet Machine and fillyjonk are headless fatties - with attitude!  :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh.  Someone commented on the BMI project post (<a href="http://kateharding.net/bmi-illustrated/#comment-84637" rel="nofollow">http://kateharding.net/bmi-illustrated/#comment-84637</a>), wherein both Sweet Machine and fillyjonk are headless fatties &#8211; with attitude!  :D</p>
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		<title>By: wellroundedtype2</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/02/06/open-thread-headless-fatties/#comment-84621</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 06:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, today I saw two articles illustrated with photos by the same photographer, Lucas Jackson, who works for Reuters. Here&#039;s a link to a profile page about him, with a photo:
http://www.lightstalkers.org/lucas_jackson

So, if you see this guy taking pictures of fat people, you may be seeing a HF photo in the making.
Here are the articles that the photos illustrated:
http://www.canada.com/Health/Researchers+link+obesity+birth+defects/1277326/story.html

http://www.canada.com/Health/Body+levels+good+indicator+overall+health+Doctor/1274455/story.html

(the second article is something I&#039;ll blog about if I have time tonight)

So, now I&#039;m imagining I&#039;m wearing a fabulous outfit (with a really great looking bra) and my hair looks amazing, and I see Mr. Lucas with his fancy heavy camera with a really big lens (you know what they say about a man with a really long lens) and I realize that he&#039;s about to take a picture of me from the neck down (I suppose he could take a picture that includes my face and then crop it out later -- I don&#039;t know how that works) and I approach him and let him know that I&#039;ll sign a release, that I don&#039;t want to be a headless fatty. And he&#039;s taken aback at first, but produces a release from his messenger bag and I take out a really nice pen from my fashionable bag and sign it with a flourish. And I give him my card and let him know I can be photographed in the future. And he has a spiritual awakening and never takes another HF photo again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, today I saw two articles illustrated with photos by the same photographer, Lucas Jackson, who works for Reuters. Here&#8217;s a link to a profile page about him, with a photo:<br />
<a href="http://www.lightstalkers.org/lucas_jackson" rel="nofollow">http://www.lightstalkers.org/lucas_jackson</a></p>
<p>So, if you see this guy taking pictures of fat people, you may be seeing a HF photo in the making.<br />
Here are the articles that the photos illustrated:<br />
<a href="http://www.canada.com/Health/Researchers+link+obesity+birth+defects/1277326/story.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.canada.com/Health/Researchers+link+obesity+birth+defects/1277326/story.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.canada.com/Health/Body+levels+good+indicator+overall+health+Doctor/1274455/story.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.canada.com/Health/Body+levels+good+indicator+overall+health+Doctor/1274455/story.html</a></p>
<p>(the second article is something I&#8217;ll blog about if I have time tonight)</p>
<p>So, now I&#8217;m imagining I&#8217;m wearing a fabulous outfit (with a really great looking bra) and my hair looks amazing, and I see Mr. Lucas with his fancy heavy camera with a really big lens (you know what they say about a man with a really long lens) and I realize that he&#8217;s about to take a picture of me from the neck down (I suppose he could take a picture that includes my face and then crop it out later &#8212; I don&#8217;t know how that works) and I approach him and let him know that I&#8217;ll sign a release, that I don&#8217;t want to be a headless fatty. And he&#8217;s taken aback at first, but produces a release from his messenger bag and I take out a really nice pen from my fashionable bag and sign it with a flourish. And I give him my card and let him know I can be photographed in the future. And he has a spiritual awakening and never takes another HF photo again.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/02/06/open-thread-headless-fatties/#comment-84613</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Haha, I was just watching some program that used &#039;stock footage&#039; of a Faceless Thinny - a girl wearing a tank top, shown from the back, sitting slumped over with her shoulder-blades and backbone protruding. The back of her head and part of her face was visible though.

So: we get to see the bony women&#039;s (whenever there&#039;s any mention of underweight, whether it pertains to EDs or not, they only show women, never the young men who are the majority) heads, but not their faces. Fat people, pregnant women, we get to see the bodies but not the head. &#039;Hot&#039; women are often reduced to close-ups of the part in question (see the Olympic volleyball player post) There must be some sense to it.. *ponders*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, I was just watching some program that used &#8216;stock footage&#8217; of a Faceless Thinny &#8211; a girl wearing a tank top, shown from the back, sitting slumped over with her shoulder-blades and backbone protruding. The back of her head and part of her face was visible though.</p>
<p>So: we get to see the bony women&#8217;s (whenever there&#8217;s any mention of underweight, whether it pertains to EDs or not, they only show women, never the young men who are the majority) heads, but not their faces. Fat people, pregnant women, we get to see the bodies but not the head. &#8216;Hot&#8217; women are often reduced to close-ups of the part in question (see the Olympic volleyball player post) There must be some sense to it.. *ponders*</p>
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		<title>By: Influencethis</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/02/06/open-thread-headless-fatties/#comment-84611</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Man I was reading down the thread to say soemthing about the class and race intersections of Headless Fattiedom, and then I see that Arwen has already posted some. *sadface*.

I do think there&#039;s a lot of intersectionality going on in the HF photos. First, I have to say that I think fat is a shorthand as well as being its own oppression. The words &quot;fat slob&quot; bring up someone in cheap, bad clothing, dirty environment, and of course fat--all of which can easily be tied to the working poor. Africans and black Americans have been demonized by images of fatness from the mid-1800s on. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s coincidence that what is being focused on in Nadia Suleman is that she is fat, POC and also living on government funds, for one modern example of fat undesirables. 

Then I find it interesting that most HF that I see are white. It&#039;s not particularly shocking when a black person is fat, because of course someone &quot;undesirable&quot; in one way will be &quot;undesirable&quot; in another. I see HF-dom as slipping racial borders. By presenting a white person in a badly classed and raced position, it stirs up more than just fears about being fat--it&#039;s about loosing privelege too. If you eat that pizza outside, you will become Headless Fatty. If you don&#039;t control your portions, you loose white privelege. If you don&#039;t exercise 2 hours a day, you become white trash.

I think it works so well as a tactic because most white people don&#039;t even understand the fears of loosing their priveledge, and it hits them even harder for being so intangible but so deeply rooted into their daily lives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man I was reading down the thread to say soemthing about the class and race intersections of Headless Fattiedom, and then I see that Arwen has already posted some. *sadface*.</p>
<p>I do think there&#8217;s a lot of intersectionality going on in the HF photos. First, I have to say that I think fat is a shorthand as well as being its own oppression. The words &#8220;fat slob&#8221; bring up someone in cheap, bad clothing, dirty environment, and of course fat&#8211;all of which can easily be tied to the working poor. Africans and black Americans have been demonized by images of fatness from the mid-1800s on. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s coincidence that what is being focused on in Nadia Suleman is that she is fat, POC and also living on government funds, for one modern example of fat undesirables. </p>
<p>Then I find it interesting that most HF that I see are white. It&#8217;s not particularly shocking when a black person is fat, because of course someone &#8220;undesirable&#8221; in one way will be &#8220;undesirable&#8221; in another. I see HF-dom as slipping racial borders. By presenting a white person in a badly classed and raced position, it stirs up more than just fears about being fat&#8211;it&#8217;s about loosing privelege too. If you eat that pizza outside, you will become Headless Fatty. If you don&#8217;t control your portions, you loose white privelege. If you don&#8217;t exercise 2 hours a day, you become white trash.</p>
<p>I think it works so well as a tactic because most white people don&#8217;t even understand the fears of loosing their priveledge, and it hits them even harder for being so intangible but so deeply rooted into their daily lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Arwen</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/02/06/open-thread-headless-fatties/#comment-84583</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today I was walking and passed a hot dog stand, and suddenly this headless thinnies discussion hit me and I started glancing at the people eating hot dogs, from the neck down. Some thin, some fat, everyone would look sort of sloppy without heads, trying to eat fast food in public. There was the &quot;trying to avoid dripping ketchup on myself&quot; stance, for one, where people were sort of slouching over their own midsections.

Headless, no one looks good eating a hot dog. Even if it&#039;s an organic veggie dog in a whole wheat bun.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today I was walking and passed a hot dog stand, and suddenly this headless thinnies discussion hit me and I started glancing at the people eating hot dogs, from the neck down. Some thin, some fat, everyone would look sort of sloppy without heads, trying to eat fast food in public. There was the &#8220;trying to avoid dripping ketchup on myself&#8221; stance, for one, where people were sort of slouching over their own midsections.</p>
<p>Headless, no one looks good eating a hot dog. Even if it&#8217;s an organic veggie dog in a whole wheat bun.</p>
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