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		<title>By: Nazira</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/01/29/guest-blogger-volcanista-on-thin-privilege/#comment-97009</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nazira]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 01:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[omg it would be so hilarious how stupid these doctors were if it weren&#039;t so very sad. I mean like you said &quot;Too thin (to live well clearly not) well because you aren&#039;t dead but if you are overweight and you say I cant change it is in my DNA they will go into a long lecture about how you need to exercise and not eat any &#039;bad&#039; food or teh fat will kill you and you will just end up in the clutches of fat satan MWAHAHA but if you eat only fat free jello and lettuce and exercise four hours a day like the contestants on The Biggest Loser before a weigh in, you will not die- come on this is about your HEALTH! And think of the children what if you aren&#039;t there for there college graduation or even high school graduation. How would they feel about you not being there JUST BECAUSE YOU WOULDN&#039;T STOP EATING ALL THE BABY-FLAVORED DONUTS you self control lacking fatty.
&quot;But&quot; you want to protest, &quot; eating and exercising like that is what anorexics do and don&#039;t many of them die of heart failure?&quot; But you dont because if you did that would mean YOU ARE QUESTIONING THE DOCTOR AND WHETHER DOING ALL THAT STUFF TO BE THIN IS &#039;HEALTHY&#039;
Because then others might hear and realize that DIETING IS UNHEALTHY and that THERE IS NO OBESITY EPIDEMIC! And then all those &quot;health&quot; experts would go broke and wouldn&#039;t have the money to buy their fat free organic 10 calorie mush on which they attempt to sustain themselves- so  instead off eating food from a fast food chain which is all they can afford they starve- and eventually collapse dead of heart failure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>omg it would be so hilarious how stupid these doctors were if it weren&#8217;t so very sad. I mean like you said &#8220;Too thin (to live well clearly not) well because you aren&#8217;t dead but if you are overweight and you say I cant change it is in my DNA they will go into a long lecture about how you need to exercise and not eat any &#8216;bad&#8217; food or teh fat will kill you and you will just end up in the clutches of fat satan MWAHAHA but if you eat only fat free jello and lettuce and exercise four hours a day like the contestants on The Biggest Loser before a weigh in, you will not die- come on this is about your HEALTH! And think of the children what if you aren&#8217;t there for there college graduation or even high school graduation. How would they feel about you not being there JUST BECAUSE YOU WOULDN&#8217;T STOP EATING ALL THE BABY-FLAVORED DONUTS you self control lacking fatty.<br />
&#8220;But&#8221; you want to protest, &#8221; eating and exercising like that is what anorexics do and don&#8217;t many of them die of heart failure?&#8221; But you dont because if you did that would mean YOU ARE QUESTIONING THE DOCTOR AND WHETHER DOING ALL THAT STUFF TO BE THIN IS &#8216;HEALTHY&#8217;<br />
Because then others might hear and realize that DIETING IS UNHEALTHY and that THERE IS NO OBESITY EPIDEMIC! And then all those &#8220;health&#8221; experts would go broke and wouldn&#8217;t have the money to buy their fat free organic 10 calorie mush on which they attempt to sustain themselves- so  instead off eating food from a fast food chain which is all they can afford they starve- and eventually collapse dead of heart failure.</p>
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		<title>By: Katrina</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/01/29/guest-blogger-volcanista-on-thin-privilege/#comment-90328</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just wrote an impassioned explanation of why I lurk here without being fat. But then I noticed Cassandra says said it better.
I can only add that I feel considerable rage and despair over fate hate.
And that my mother and aunts who came of age in the sixties are all obsessive watchers of their own and other women&#039;s weight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wrote an impassioned explanation of why I lurk here without being fat. But then I noticed Cassandra says said it better.<br />
I can only add that I feel considerable rage and despair over fate hate.<br />
And that my mother and aunts who came of age in the sixties are all obsessive watchers of their own and other women&#8217;s weight.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/01/29/guest-blogger-volcanista-on-thin-privilege/#comment-87745</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Annie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve lurked here for quite a while, and I like to think of myself as a &quot;thin ally&quot;. I&#039;ve really enjoyed reading the posts and comments here (as opposed to the other FA sites that I&#039;ve come across) because I&#039;ve noticed a real lack of the pervasive &quot;health at all sizes...unless you&#039;re gross and skinny&quot; and &quot;real women have curves&quot; bullshit that simply shifts the hate and prejudice onto another group of human beings. I actually feel welcome here, in a way that I haven&#039;t since my teenage pro-ana forum days. Not to mention how amazingly funny and, above all, LITERATE everyone is here. I love that. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve lurked here for quite a while, and I like to think of myself as a &#8220;thin ally&#8221;. I&#8217;ve really enjoyed reading the posts and comments here (as opposed to the other FA sites that I&#8217;ve come across) because I&#8217;ve noticed a real lack of the pervasive &#8220;health at all sizes&#8230;unless you&#8217;re gross and skinny&#8221; and &#8220;real women have curves&#8221; bullshit that simply shifts the hate and prejudice onto another group of human beings. I actually feel welcome here, in a way that I haven&#8217;t since my teenage pro-ana forum days. Not to mention how amazingly funny and, above all, LITERATE everyone is here. I love that. :)</p>
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		<title>By: CassandraSays</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/01/29/guest-blogger-volcanista-on-thin-privilege/#comment-85542</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CassandraSays]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re Why thinner women might want to hang out here, what everyone else said, plus the fact that the scale in terms of what&#039;s currently considered fat is shifting downwards so rapidly that honestly, you could be considered thin today and fat next Tuesday. A woman would have to be stupid to not see what&#039;s going on and how crucial it is to stop pathologising fatness, because the inevitable end result of that kind of thinking is people screaming in outrage because Jessica Simpson gained 10 pounds. Dunno how many years it&#039;s been since Fat is a Feminist Issue came out, but she was right then and she&#039;s still right now.

Also in my particular case I think one of the triggers was the constant equivocation of fatness with omg obesity epidemic with the idea that this is the reason why the American healthcare system is fucked up. Um, no - I&#039;m a socialist and happen to think that our healthcare system is fucked up because we lack the nationalised healthcare that every other first world nation has. Blaming the mess American healthcare is in and it&#039;s rising costs on fat people is just such a transparent attempt at shifting the focus that it makes me want to throw things.  

Also, for women of any size who&#039;ve ever suffered from eating disorders this place feels like a rare safe haven. The internet spaces where it isn&#039;t just assumed that all women should be a size 2 or die trying are few and far between. Plus the commentariat is smart and funny and generally awesome.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Why thinner women might want to hang out here, what everyone else said, plus the fact that the scale in terms of what&#8217;s currently considered fat is shifting downwards so rapidly that honestly, you could be considered thin today and fat next Tuesday. A woman would have to be stupid to not see what&#8217;s going on and how crucial it is to stop pathologising fatness, because the inevitable end result of that kind of thinking is people screaming in outrage because Jessica Simpson gained 10 pounds. Dunno how many years it&#8217;s been since Fat is a Feminist Issue came out, but she was right then and she&#8217;s still right now.</p>
<p>Also in my particular case I think one of the triggers was the constant equivocation of fatness with omg obesity epidemic with the idea that this is the reason why the American healthcare system is fucked up. Um, no &#8211; I&#8217;m a socialist and happen to think that our healthcare system is fucked up because we lack the nationalised healthcare that every other first world nation has. Blaming the mess American healthcare is in and it&#8217;s rising costs on fat people is just such a transparent attempt at shifting the focus that it makes me want to throw things.  </p>
<p>Also, for women of any size who&#8217;ve ever suffered from eating disorders this place feels like a rare safe haven. The internet spaces where it isn&#8217;t just assumed that all women should be a size 2 or die trying are few and far between. Plus the commentariat is smart and funny and generally awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: LilahMorgan</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/01/29/guest-blogger-volcanista-on-thin-privilege/#comment-84633</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LilahMorgan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(And of course, I&quot;m just babbling about my style which maybe nothing like yours - sorry about that.  It&#039;s so frustrating not to have more options.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(And of course, I&#8221;m just babbling about my style which maybe nothing like yours &#8211; sorry about that.  It&#8217;s so frustrating not to have more options.)</p>
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		<title>By: LilahMorgan</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/01/29/guest-blogger-volcanista-on-thin-privilege/#comment-84632</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LilahMorgan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jenn, you sound like you&#039;re built a lot like me, and about the same size.  I&#039;m slowly - slowly starting to find clothes that work, but I have yet to find pants that are better than barely passable.  I have found that a combination of (a) bras from bravissimo, (b) v-neck (almost always jersey) dresses and tops, and (c) camisoles underneath work pretty well.  I&#039;ve also found that skirts that are worn higher up on the waist above the biggest builge of my stomach (and with tops covering where they hit and not tucked in) are my best bet for separates.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenn, you sound like you&#8217;re built a lot like me, and about the same size.  I&#8217;m slowly &#8211; slowly starting to find clothes that work, but I have yet to find pants that are better than barely passable.  I have found that a combination of (a) bras from bravissimo, (b) v-neck (almost always jersey) dresses and tops, and (c) camisoles underneath work pretty well.  I&#8217;ve also found that skirts that are worn higher up on the waist above the biggest builge of my stomach (and with tops covering where they hit and not tucked in) are my best bet for separates.</p>
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		<title>By: volcanista</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/01/29/guest-blogger-volcanista-on-thin-privilege/#comment-84631</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[volcanista]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jenn, you should look into the archives here, because there have been a lot of discussions of clothing retailers for people of different sizes! I can&#039;t guarantee there would be line of clothes that are perfect for you, but it might be worth a look.

And yeah, while it &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; be hard to find clothes that fit you as an extremely thin person (especially since most thin people are different from fit models in some way besides simply thinness), it&#039;s a question of degree. As FJ pointed out, I can at least find clothes to &lt;i&gt;try on&lt;/i&gt;, even if I often end up leaving stores empty-handed. That&#039;s worlds better than what fatter people have to go through.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenn, you should look into the archives here, because there have been a lot of discussions of clothing retailers for people of different sizes! I can&#8217;t guarantee there would be line of clothes that are perfect for you, but it might be worth a look.</p>
<p>And yeah, while it <i>can</i> be hard to find clothes that fit you as an extremely thin person (especially since most thin people are different from fit models in some way besides simply thinness), it&#8217;s a question of degree. As FJ pointed out, I can at least find clothes to <i>try on</i>, even if I often end up leaving stores empty-handed. That&#8217;s worlds better than what fatter people have to go through.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/01/29/guest-blogger-volcanista-on-thin-privilege/#comment-84623</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Being thin *is* a privilege. When I starved myself into fainting episodes and size two shorts at the tender age of 13, I still had the pouchy tummy that I&#039;ve always had. My parents still maintained that my stomach wasn&#039;t &quot;flat enough&quot; to wear a two-piece. I thought I was the fattest piece of crap to walk the planet.

But I&#039;ll be entirely honest here: buying clothes at a size 2, a size 4, and later a size 6 was a hell of a lot easier than buying clothes at my present size of 12-16 depending on the store. A killer combination of lack of height, disproportionate breasts and shoulders, and a pouchy tummy means that *every single thing* was designed for a woman a foot taller and 50 pounds lighter than me.

When I was a size 2, I worried about being fat, but I didn&#039;t worry about my boobs popping out of my shirt or my stomach fat sticking out from the strained seams of a shirt that fit my waist but not my hips and stomach or pants that keep falling down because the widest part of me is *not* my freaking hips but my stupid stomach.

At best, I can pull off the &quot;potato sack&quot; look and bolt my boobs to my chest with the tightest bra known to man in order to meet the social guidelines of &quot;acceptable cleavage&quot;, but 98% of clothes still make me look like an oompa loompa. Even though I&#039;m far from the social idea of &quot;hot&quot;, I look better naked than in clothes designed to fit people that look absolutely nothing like me.

I felt like crap on the inside, but when I was thin nobody told me that I shouldn&#039;t be &quot;wearing that&quot; and all the clothes fit me without my bits falling out and seams ripping and cloth wearing out from too much friction and enough cleavage to outdo Pamela Anderson.

I seriously want to take every stupid designer that refuses to construct clothing for anybody other than tall thin people and rake them over hot coals. Maybe run them over with something heavy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being thin *is* a privilege. When I starved myself into fainting episodes and size two shorts at the tender age of 13, I still had the pouchy tummy that I&#8217;ve always had. My parents still maintained that my stomach wasn&#8217;t &#8220;flat enough&#8221; to wear a two-piece. I thought I was the fattest piece of crap to walk the planet.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ll be entirely honest here: buying clothes at a size 2, a size 4, and later a size 6 was a hell of a lot easier than buying clothes at my present size of 12-16 depending on the store. A killer combination of lack of height, disproportionate breasts and shoulders, and a pouchy tummy means that *every single thing* was designed for a woman a foot taller and 50 pounds lighter than me.</p>
<p>When I was a size 2, I worried about being fat, but I didn&#8217;t worry about my boobs popping out of my shirt or my stomach fat sticking out from the strained seams of a shirt that fit my waist but not my hips and stomach or pants that keep falling down because the widest part of me is *not* my freaking hips but my stupid stomach.</p>
<p>At best, I can pull off the &#8220;potato sack&#8221; look and bolt my boobs to my chest with the tightest bra known to man in order to meet the social guidelines of &#8220;acceptable cleavage&#8221;, but 98% of clothes still make me look like an oompa loompa. Even though I&#8217;m far from the social idea of &#8220;hot&#8221;, I look better naked than in clothes designed to fit people that look absolutely nothing like me.</p>
<p>I felt like crap on the inside, but when I was thin nobody told me that I shouldn&#8217;t be &#8220;wearing that&#8221; and all the clothes fit me without my bits falling out and seams ripping and cloth wearing out from too much friction and enough cleavage to outdo Pamela Anderson.</p>
<p>I seriously want to take every stupid designer that refuses to construct clothing for anybody other than tall thin people and rake them over hot coals. Maybe run them over with something heavy.</p>
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		<title>By: Mim</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/01/29/guest-blogger-volcanista-on-thin-privilege/#comment-84340</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 21:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My major worry re: being a thin woman on an FA website (which I found via random linkage and am in awe of, btw) is the suspicion that only a couple of dress sizes stand between me and a constant state of gibbering self-hatred. It makes me worry that I&#039;m actually a horrifying hypocrite to come on here with my body-dysmorphic tendencies and my general depressive self-loathing and behave as though I&#039;m an Ally instead of a dismal failure to myself and womankind. Thank you all for the enormously welcoming, inclusive air of the whole site and hope I can learn not to add a mental &quot;except me&quot; to every positive statement here, and avoid being too much of an attention whore.

Incidentally, as a woman who has been both stare-and-speculate thin and point-and-laugh ugly, I have noticed that (with some charming exceptions, naturally) people don&#039;t feel quite such a right to tell thin ugly women that they&#039;re unfuckable. Fat seems to be categorised as its own special form of unattractive that requires more reminding. I&#039;m not sure whether it&#039;s just the world trying to shame people into thinness, and ties in with the assumption of responsibility, but it&#039;s definitely there. The pretty/fat exchange rate is clearly a complex beast which will require explanation by rich men in suits before I can wrap my unpretty little head around it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My major worry re: being a thin woman on an FA website (which I found via random linkage and am in awe of, btw) is the suspicion that only a couple of dress sizes stand between me and a constant state of gibbering self-hatred. It makes me worry that I&#8217;m actually a horrifying hypocrite to come on here with my body-dysmorphic tendencies and my general depressive self-loathing and behave as though I&#8217;m an Ally instead of a dismal failure to myself and womankind. Thank you all for the enormously welcoming, inclusive air of the whole site and hope I can learn not to add a mental &#8220;except me&#8221; to every positive statement here, and avoid being too much of an attention whore.</p>
<p>Incidentally, as a woman who has been both stare-and-speculate thin and point-and-laugh ugly, I have noticed that (with some charming exceptions, naturally) people don&#8217;t feel quite such a right to tell thin ugly women that they&#8217;re unfuckable. Fat seems to be categorised as its own special form of unattractive that requires more reminding. I&#8217;m not sure whether it&#8217;s just the world trying to shame people into thinness, and ties in with the assumption of responsibility, but it&#8217;s definitely there. The pretty/fat exchange rate is clearly a complex beast which will require explanation by rich men in suits before I can wrap my unpretty little head around it.</p>
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		<title>By: Morag</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2009/01/29/guest-blogger-volcanista-on-thin-privilege/#comment-83104</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Morag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 18:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great conversation! 

I&#039;m really glad everyone&#039;s here. Just as I appreciate men who care about sexism, and straight people who care about homophobia, its great to see thin people care about fat stuff. And I do think it makes for a better world in the end for them too.

I&#039;m just impressed though, by how much thin supporters there are here - it is an interesting and funny blog of course. Maybe I&#039;m feeling a bit guilty. Taking another type of privilege - I&#039;m white, and I do care about racism. I&#039;ve challenged it when it happens in front of me, and I&#039;ve gone on marches against racist groups in the UK. I also feel that a non-racist society would also be a better society for me. But as I don&#039;t experience racism directed against me its not a daily concern and I don&#039;t think about it so much as it might deserve. 

So when I asked why thin people are here regularly I am trying to be welcoming. Its just I like to know what keeps the solidarity so strong. I think the answers mostly support what I guessed, that the arguments of fat acceptance are also useful for general self acceptance and sticking up for yourself when society wants to judge you and your body.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great conversation! </p>
<p>I&#8217;m really glad everyone&#8217;s here. Just as I appreciate men who care about sexism, and straight people who care about homophobia, its great to see thin people care about fat stuff. And I do think it makes for a better world in the end for them too.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just impressed though, by how much thin supporters there are here &#8211; it is an interesting and funny blog of course. Maybe I&#8217;m feeling a bit guilty. Taking another type of privilege &#8211; I&#8217;m white, and I do care about racism. I&#8217;ve challenged it when it happens in front of me, and I&#8217;ve gone on marches against racist groups in the UK. I also feel that a non-racist society would also be a better society for me. But as I don&#8217;t experience racism directed against me its not a daily concern and I don&#8217;t think about it so much as it might deserve. </p>
<p>So when I asked why thin people are here regularly I am trying to be welcoming. Its just I like to know what keeps the solidarity so strong. I think the answers mostly support what I guessed, that the arguments of fat acceptance are also useful for general self acceptance and sticking up for yourself when society wants to judge you and your body.</p>
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