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	<title>Comments on: From the archives: A feminist&#8217;s Christmas with nuns</title>
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		<title>By: shiloh</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/12/26/from-the-archives-a-feminists-christmas-with-nuns/#comment-79965</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;If I didn’t think this would be a better world for &lt;/i&gt;everyone&lt;i&gt; without misogyny, patriarchy, and the beauty standards and lack of body autonomy that attend them, I wouldn’t be here writing your ear off. It’s not good enough to have convictions if you’re only fighting on behalf of the people who share them.&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, this is lovely.  Thanks for reposting it.

&lt;i&gt;(Plenty of fatties amongst the sisters, by the way, despite those pesky vows of simplicity and poverty — could it possibly be that many of us naturally expand as we age?) &lt;/i&gt;

Somewhere I ran across an article rejecting the whole &quot;calories in/calories out&quot; formulation that used St. Thomas Aquinas&quot; (aka &quot;The Dumb [as in silent] Ox&quot;), to demonstrate the fact that a low cal diet and exercise will not necessarily make someone thin, and that people eating the same diet (i.e., Aquinas and the others he lived with) will still display a wide disparaty of body shapes.  Would that I had saved the thing...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If I didn’t think this would be a better world for </i>everyone<i> without misogyny, patriarchy, and the beauty standards and lack of body autonomy that attend them, I wouldn’t be here writing your ear off. It’s not good enough to have convictions if you’re only fighting on behalf of the people who share them.</i></p>
<p>Oh, this is lovely.  Thanks for reposting it.</p>
<p><i>(Plenty of fatties amongst the sisters, by the way, despite those pesky vows of simplicity and poverty — could it possibly be that many of us naturally expand as we age?) </i></p>
<p>Somewhere I ran across an article rejecting the whole &#8220;calories in/calories out&#8221; formulation that used St. Thomas Aquinas&#8221; (aka &#8220;The Dumb [as in silent] Ox&#8221;), to demonstrate the fact that a low cal diet and exercise will not necessarily make someone thin, and that people eating the same diet (i.e., Aquinas and the others he lived with) will still display a wide disparaty of body shapes.  Would that I had saved the thing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: FatNSassy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; I am not a religious person (in point of fact I’m an atheist, and a Jewish one at that)&quot;
I am an ex Catholic.  The best Christmas I ever had was playing Mrs. Santa for a group of Jewish/Pagan lesbians!!!  But I know what you mean about the Benedictines.  I was educated by them.  Truly awesome people!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; I am not a religious person (in point of fact I’m an atheist, and a Jewish one at that)&#8221;<br />
I am an ex Catholic.  The best Christmas I ever had was playing Mrs. Santa for a group of Jewish/Pagan lesbians!!!  But I know what you mean about the Benedictines.  I was educated by them.  Truly awesome people!</p>
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		<title>By: fillyjonk</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/12/26/from-the-archives-a-feminists-christmas-with-nuns/#comment-78362</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fillyjonk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 18:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lidon, the prayers are primarily in the second person.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lidon, the prayers are primarily in the second person.</p>
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		<title>By: cordelia9889</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cordelia9889]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 07:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I needed to hear this tonight.  Thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I needed to hear this tonight.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Lidon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lidon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 00:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good for them for not comforming to something that is long outdated.  What pronouns did they instead use for their prayers?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for them for not comforming to something that is long outdated.  What pronouns did they instead use for their prayers?</p>
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		<title>By: Katia</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Katia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 20:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fillyjonk, thank you so much for reposting this! I didn&#039;t even know about Shapely Prose when you posted it the first time and I hadn&#039;t seen it.

When I was in college in the early 1970&#039;s I was vaguely aware of feminists -- but &quot;they&quot; were far off to the side of the issues I was thinking about (including how honored I would feel if someday I could wash a man&#039;s socks as well as my own, and how sad I was that no man was falling in love with me, especially as I lived and suffered in deep unrequited love for one man after another.) 

I remember when &quot;Ms.&quot; was a newfangled honorific. It took me years to start using it because it felt so silly at first. I remember when people started to fuss about gender neutral words and again I thought that was silly.

Then in the 1990&#039;s I read about an essay about anthropology -- the &quot;study of man.&quot; The essay had been written many years previously, and as I read about &quot;man&quot; -- &quot;he&quot; does this and &quot;he&quot; does that -- I imagined cigar chomping men going about their business and I wondered what the women had been doing. And I remembered thinking something similar when I was 7 years old or so, and asking about it, and people telling me that &quot;man&quot; means both men and women, and &quot;he&quot; means both &quot;he&quot; and &quot;she&quot;. Well, that bothered me at first because it obviously wasn&#039;t true, but I got used to it and eventually I stopped questioning it. 

I&#039;m so very glad that other women didn&#039;t stop questioning it. I&#039;m so glad that other women thought seriously and acted to make things better for all of us. 

So maybe I&#039;m a bit late to the party, but I&#039;m here now!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fillyjonk, thank you so much for reposting this! I didn&#8217;t even know about Shapely Prose when you posted it the first time and I hadn&#8217;t seen it.</p>
<p>When I was in college in the early 1970&#8242;s I was vaguely aware of feminists &#8212; but &#8220;they&#8221; were far off to the side of the issues I was thinking about (including how honored I would feel if someday I could wash a man&#8217;s socks as well as my own, and how sad I was that no man was falling in love with me, especially as I lived and suffered in deep unrequited love for one man after another.) </p>
<p>I remember when &#8220;Ms.&#8221; was a newfangled honorific. It took me years to start using it because it felt so silly at first. I remember when people started to fuss about gender neutral words and again I thought that was silly.</p>
<p>Then in the 1990&#8242;s I read about an essay about anthropology &#8212; the &#8220;study of man.&#8221; The essay had been written many years previously, and as I read about &#8220;man&#8221; &#8212; &#8220;he&#8221; does this and &#8220;he&#8221; does that &#8212; I imagined cigar chomping men going about their business and I wondered what the women had been doing. And I remembered thinking something similar when I was 7 years old or so, and asking about it, and people telling me that &#8220;man&#8221; means both men and women, and &#8220;he&#8221; means both &#8220;he&#8221; and &#8220;she&#8221;. Well, that bothered me at first because it obviously wasn&#8217;t true, but I got used to it and eventually I stopped questioning it. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m so very glad that other women didn&#8217;t stop questioning it. I&#8217;m so glad that other women thought seriously and acted to make things better for all of us. </p>
<p>So maybe I&#8217;m a bit late to the party, but I&#8217;m here now!</p>
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		<title>By: Mothering Two</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/12/26/from-the-archives-a-feminists-christmas-with-nuns/#comment-78348</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mothering Two]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said, sister-friend.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, sister-friend.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy K</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/12/26/from-the-archives-a-feminists-christmas-with-nuns/#comment-78346</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amy K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 18:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know the Benedictine sisters of whom you speak- they are really awesome. Thanks for this post, it is really eloquently articulated. I&#039;m not sure I read it last year, so it feels nice and new and lovely to me now :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know the Benedictine sisters of whom you speak- they are really awesome. Thanks for this post, it is really eloquently articulated. I&#8217;m not sure I read it last year, so it feels nice and new and lovely to me now :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Wicked</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wicked]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All 3 of my grandfather&#039;s sisters are nuns - Sisters of St. Josephs, which is a teaching order.  All 3 have Ph.D.s in Theology.

I&#039;m a pagan, and they are about the only people I can discuss theology with because they are about the only religious people I know who are secure enough with their faith that other peoples disbelief doesn&#039;t make them feel threatened.  They believe in what they believe - and that is what matters to them.  

My aunts are 3 of the best women I will ever know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All 3 of my grandfather&#8217;s sisters are nuns &#8211; Sisters of St. Josephs, which is a teaching order.  All 3 have Ph.D.s in Theology.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a pagan, and they are about the only people I can discuss theology with because they are about the only religious people I know who are secure enough with their faith that other peoples disbelief doesn&#8217;t make them feel threatened.  They believe in what they believe &#8211; and that is what matters to them.  </p>
<p>My aunts are 3 of the best women I will ever know.</p>
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		<title>By: Keeks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Keeks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now I wanna go hang out with those Nuns.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I wanna go hang out with those Nuns.</p>
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