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		<title>By: Suzie</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/10/03/quick-hit-the-myth-of-objectivity/#comment-72796</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 04:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m delurking to say thanks to Kate for posting this. I think a couple of people are equating &quot;objectivity&quot; with &quot;fairness.&quot; One thing I was trying to say was that we may not understand everything that&#039;s going on inside our own heads. Thus, we may not always realize when we&#039;re being manipulated, for example. That&#039;s why it&#039;s so good to have different perspectives. 

Btw, my old newspaper seems obsessed with stories of women losing weight, which fall under the heading of &quot;fitness.&quot; But it no longer has anyone covering health news. Thus, losing 40 pounds gets in print, but there&#039;s no story on a groundbreaking clinical trial on ovarian cancer in our city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m delurking to say thanks to Kate for posting this. I think a couple of people are equating &#8220;objectivity&#8221; with &#8220;fairness.&#8221; One thing I was trying to say was that we may not understand everything that&#8217;s going on inside our own heads. Thus, we may not always realize when we&#8217;re being manipulated, for example. That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s so good to have different perspectives. </p>
<p>Btw, my old newspaper seems obsessed with stories of women losing weight, which fall under the heading of &#8220;fitness.&#8221; But it no longer has anyone covering health news. Thus, losing 40 pounds gets in print, but there&#8217;s no story on a groundbreaking clinical trial on ovarian cancer in our city.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindra</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/10/03/quick-hit-the-myth-of-objectivity/#comment-72785</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 07:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KMTBERRY -- which Indian newspapers in particular? I know they do some fantastic reporting, but I haven&#039;t been able to read consistently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KMTBERRY &#8212; which Indian newspapers in particular? I know they do some fantastic reporting, but I haven&#8217;t been able to read consistently.</p>
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		<title>By: KMTBERRY</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/10/03/quick-hit-the-myth-of-objectivity/#comment-72744</link>
		<dc:creator>KMTBERRY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 05:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;@ Nicole - don’t your newspapers have acknowledged biases like UK papers do? How do you know which ones to avoid otherwise?!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, our newspapers do NOT have acknowledged leaninggs. Most of the newspapers in America are owned by a very small group of people; like 5 people. It is one reason why Americans appear so foolish to the rest of the world: our news sources are, for the most part, pro-corporation propaganda. Most major cities in America have ONE newspaper, rather than two or more as was the case a hundred years ago. There is literally NO voice in America for labor, all the newspapers are Capital-owned and favor that viewpoint. Only a total radical like me even sees this as a problem.

The most intelligent/progressive Americans get their news over the internet from foreign sources. I find that Indian newspapers often report more fully on American politics than our papers do. The BBC is not only head and shoulders, but an entire human length above our news services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>@ Nicole &#8211; don’t your newspapers have acknowledged biases like UK papers do? How do you know which ones to avoid otherwise?!</p></blockquote>
<p>No, our newspapers do NOT have acknowledged leaninggs. Most of the newspapers in America are owned by a very small group of people; like 5 people. It is one reason why Americans appear so foolish to the rest of the world: our news sources are, for the most part, pro-corporation propaganda. Most major cities in America have ONE newspaper, rather than two or more as was the case a hundred years ago. There is literally NO voice in America for labor, all the newspapers are Capital-owned and favor that viewpoint. Only a total radical like me even sees this as a problem.</p>
<p>The most intelligent/progressive Americans get their news over the internet from foreign sources. I find that Indian newspapers often report more fully on American politics than our papers do. The BBC is not only head and shoulders, but an entire human length above our news services.</p>
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		<title>By: Elle</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/10/03/quick-hit-the-myth-of-objectivity/#comment-72737</link>
		<dc:creator>Elle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 02:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the first essay I ever had to write for a Gender Studies class was discussing the gender-charged ways that &#039;scientists staring into a petri dish&#039; reported on what they saw, or what they thought they saw. It was pretty interesting to write, to say the least. And with it came the realisation that nothing, not even supposed scientific fact, was created in a vacuum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the first essay I ever had to write for a Gender Studies class was discussing the gender-charged ways that &#8217;scientists staring into a petri dish&#8217; reported on what they saw, or what they thought they saw. It was pretty interesting to write, to say the least. And with it came the realisation that nothing, not even supposed scientific fact, was created in a vacuum.</p>
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		<title>By: living400lbs</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/10/03/quick-hit-the-myth-of-objectivity/#comment-72703</link>
		<dc:creator>living400lbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of Linda Ellerbee&#039;s tale of doing a report on abortion for NBC news in &lt;i&gt;And So It Goes&lt;/i&gt;.  She was worried that her own experience with having had an abortion would make her too biased to do the story.  

In the end, the hate mail the piece generated was roughly equally divided between &quot;Obviously you&#039;re pro-abortion&quot; and &quot;Obviously you&#039;re anti-abortion&quot;.   She decided this meant she had done a good, objective handling of the subject, because she&#039;d pissed off &lt;b&gt;both&lt;/b&gt; sides :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of Linda Ellerbee&#8217;s tale of doing a report on abortion for NBC news in <i>And So It Goes</i>.  She was worried that her own experience with having had an abortion would make her too biased to do the story.  </p>
<p>In the end, the hate mail the piece generated was roughly equally divided between &#8220;Obviously you&#8217;re pro-abortion&#8221; and &#8220;Obviously you&#8217;re anti-abortion&#8221;.   She decided this meant she had done a good, objective handling of the subject, because she&#8217;d pissed off <b>both</b> sides :)</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a journalist for a daily paper.

Objectivity doesn&#039;t mean you report as if you were a robot.

Objectivity means you don&#039;t allow yourself to be manipulated by a source or sources to promote their ideas and opinions as absolutes while minimizing the voices of thse who disagree with them.

I&#039;m a gay woman with leftist leanings, and I coordinate a religion section for a newspaper in the Bible belt. I ask questions, challenge people when I think they&#039;re shoveling shit at me and then ask more questions. I&#039;ve got a number of sources who are sure that people like me are going to hell. I&#039;ve yet to have any of them insist I&#039;m not being objective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a journalist for a daily paper.</p>
<p>Objectivity doesn&#8217;t mean you report as if you were a robot.</p>
<p>Objectivity means you don&#8217;t allow yourself to be manipulated by a source or sources to promote their ideas and opinions as absolutes while minimizing the voices of thse who disagree with them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a gay woman with leftist leanings, and I coordinate a religion section for a newspaper in the Bible belt. I ask questions, challenge people when I think they&#8217;re shoveling shit at me and then ask more questions. I&#8217;ve got a number of sources who are sure that people like me are going to hell. I&#8217;ve yet to have any of them insist I&#8217;m not being objective.</p>
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		<title>By: rachel</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/10/03/quick-hit-the-myth-of-objectivity/#comment-72687</link>
		<dc:creator>rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all have biases, because we don&#039;t live in a vacuum.

Actually, even if we *did* live in a vacuum, we&#039;d probably still have them.

@ Nicole - don&#039;t your newspapers have acknowledged biases like UK papers do? How do you know which ones to avoid otherwise?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all have biases, because we don&#8217;t live in a vacuum.</p>
<p>Actually, even if we *did* live in a vacuum, we&#8217;d probably still have them.</p>
<p>@ Nicole &#8211; don&#8217;t your newspapers have acknowledged biases like UK papers do? How do you know which ones to avoid otherwise?!</p>
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		<title>By: maewyn</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/10/03/quick-hit-the-myth-of-objectivity/#comment-72654</link>
		<dc:creator>maewyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Essen, writers for my local alt weekly do that sometimes -- they&#039;ll put in a parenthetical &quot;Full disclosure: I worked for this company back in the day&quot; or whatever next to the relevant chunk of info.

Maybe I&#039;ll write up something for my LJ userinfo (or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lastsyllable.net&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my blog&lt;/a&gt;, if I ever bother updating it) describing my biases and how I&#039;m involved in what I write about. I like that kind of honesty. It also seems like it&#039;d be much easier to sustain over time -- you don&#039;t have to do increasingly complex contortions to try and remain &quot;objective&quot;, or even to agree with the same opinions you had last week or last year.

Which is one of my current grumps about politics. Is no one allowed to change his/her mind? What&#039;s wrong with a simple statement like &quot;Yes, I used to support that, but I looked more deeply into the issue and I no longer support it&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Essen, writers for my local alt weekly do that sometimes &#8212; they&#8217;ll put in a parenthetical &#8220;Full disclosure: I worked for this company back in the day&#8221; or whatever next to the relevant chunk of info.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;ll write up something for my LJ userinfo (or <a href="http://www.lastsyllable.net" rel="nofollow">my blog</a>, if I ever bother updating it) describing my biases and how I&#8217;m involved in what I write about. I like that kind of honesty. It also seems like it&#8217;d be much easier to sustain over time &#8212; you don&#8217;t have to do increasingly complex contortions to try and remain &#8220;objective&#8221;, or even to agree with the same opinions you had last week or last year.</p>
<p>Which is one of my current grumps about politics. Is no one allowed to change his/her mind? What&#8217;s wrong with a simple statement like &#8220;Yes, I used to support that, but I looked more deeply into the issue and I no longer support it&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Lonie Mc.</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/10/03/quick-hit-the-myth-of-objectivity/#comment-72641</link>
		<dc:creator>Lonie Mc.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the points of my dissertation -- just how biased medical studies can be. Our society equates scientific with unbiased, and that is SO not true. There are a few people who really try to follow the data, even when they don&#039;t like the answer, but they are few and far between.

This is one of the big arguments that crop up time and time again in feminist research methods -- everyone is biased so quite trying to pretend that they are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the points of my dissertation &#8212; just how biased medical studies can be. Our society equates scientific with unbiased, and that is SO not true. There are a few people who really try to follow the data, even when they don&#8217;t like the answer, but they are few and far between.</p>
<p>This is one of the big arguments that crop up time and time again in feminist research methods &#8212; everyone is biased so quite trying to pretend that they are not.</p>
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		<title>By: Essen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Essen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a really amusing rant in the Guardian a while ago about how AWFUL blogging was because everyone hides under anonymity and so you never know what biases anyone has or how they&#039;re involved in what they write about and there were loads of comments pointing out that this was hardly a unique &#039;problem&#039; with blogs. How many journalists bother to put (ps. the guy running this company is my best friend/I went to university with that politician/my wife works in that field) their biases on show? 

I get so fed up with people going &#039;but you can&#039;t really talk about... rape/misogyny/catcalling/discrimination because you&#039;re a woman and so you&#039;re not able to look at it objectively&#039;. WHY is it always the white male who is &#039;objective&#039; and everyone else who&#039;s &#039;irrationally biased&#039; *shakes head sadly*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a really amusing rant in the Guardian a while ago about how AWFUL blogging was because everyone hides under anonymity and so you never know what biases anyone has or how they&#8217;re involved in what they write about and there were loads of comments pointing out that this was hardly a unique &#8216;problem&#8217; with blogs. How many journalists bother to put (ps. the guy running this company is my best friend/I went to university with that politician/my wife works in that field) their biases on show? </p>
<p>I get so fed up with people going &#8216;but you can&#8217;t really talk about&#8230; rape/misogyny/catcalling/discrimination because you&#8217;re a woman and so you&#8217;re not able to look at it objectively&#8217;. WHY is it always the white male who is &#8216;objective&#8217; and everyone else who&#8217;s &#8216;irrationally biased&#8217; *shakes head sadly*</p>
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