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		<title>By: SugarLeigh</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/09/26/quick-hit-turns-out-people-arent-rats/#comment-72377</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SugarLeigh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;re NOT?! 

But I wanted to learn how to look all cute cleaning my whiskers off the way they do... and jump like six times my own body length.  

Also, I wanted the power to survive for two weeks by eating a single shoe. 

Rats are so awesome. I was thinking the other day that I missed having a pocket pet, and wondering which species I&#039;d want if I get one again. I decided on rats.  

And I don&#039;t care if they&#039;re fat. :3]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re NOT?! </p>
<p>But I wanted to learn how to look all cute cleaning my whiskers off the way they do&#8230; and jump like six times my own body length.  </p>
<p>Also, I wanted the power to survive for two weeks by eating a single shoe. </p>
<p>Rats are so awesome. I was thinking the other day that I missed having a pocket pet, and wondering which species I&#8217;d want if I get one again. I decided on rats.  </p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t care if they&#8217;re fat. :3</p>
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		<title>By: Rosie</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/09/26/quick-hit-turns-out-people-arent-rats/#comment-72355</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rosie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My favorite study was one in which they looked at severe calorie restriction in some primate, probably chimps (too lazy to actually look up the study right now) and some of them had longer lifespans. However, the other half of the group had horrible mortality rates....the reason being, they all went nuts because of food restriction and tended to kill each other. Whups.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite study was one in which they looked at severe calorie restriction in some primate, probably chimps (too lazy to actually look up the study right now) and some of them had longer lifespans. However, the other half of the group had horrible mortality rates&#8230;.the reason being, they all went nuts because of food restriction and tended to kill each other. Whups.</p>
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		<title>By: ricki</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/09/26/quick-hit-turns-out-people-arent-rats/#comment-72341</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 01:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I always figured that the extreme-calorie-restricted diet didn&#039;t make a person LIVE longer, it just made it SEEM longer.

Honestly? I&#039;d rather have 70 enjoyable years where I didn&#039;t have to obsess over eating and exercise, than 120 years where I was weighing every lettuce leaf that went in my mouth. 

I&#039;ve seen news stories on people who did the extreme restriction thing; it seemed very, well, restrictive: they couldn&#039;t go out to eat with friends, they never took part in the traditional sort of holiday meals. I would find that kind of lifestyle very isolating.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always figured that the extreme-calorie-restricted diet didn&#8217;t make a person LIVE longer, it just made it SEEM longer.</p>
<p>Honestly? I&#8217;d rather have 70 enjoyable years where I didn&#8217;t have to obsess over eating and exercise, than 120 years where I was weighing every lettuce leaf that went in my mouth. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen news stories on people who did the extreme restriction thing; it seemed very, well, restrictive: they couldn&#8217;t go out to eat with friends, they never took part in the traditional sort of holiday meals. I would find that kind of lifestyle very isolating.</p>
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		<title>By: Twistie</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/09/26/quick-hit-turns-out-people-arent-rats/#comment-72287</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Twistie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know, years ago I heard a comedy routine based on this basic idea. I think it may have been the late, great George Carlin talking about testing the effects on rats of various drugs. There was a priceless line about how if you have a rat smoke a joint that&#039;s roughly equivilant to a person smoking an entire dining room table of hashish, perhaps we shouldn&#039;t be surprised that the rat becomes disoriented.

I think I&#039;ll go on eating whatever my body seems to be craving, getting some reasonable exercise on a fairly regular basis, and just plain doing my best to enjoy the lifespan I have. If I treat myself reasonalby well, it should be an okay one, considering the fact that on my mother&#039;s side people tend to live a fairly average length, and on my father&#039;s side they nearly all live well into their eighties and nineties.

After all, if I&#039;m hit by a bus tomorrow, I&#039;d hate my last thought to be &#039;well crap, I guess I could have had that cupcake after all.&#039; Or that eggplant. Or that lamb chop. Or that baked potato.

The rats may do as they please.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, years ago I heard a comedy routine based on this basic idea. I think it may have been the late, great George Carlin talking about testing the effects on rats of various drugs. There was a priceless line about how if you have a rat smoke a joint that&#8217;s roughly equivilant to a person smoking an entire dining room table of hashish, perhaps we shouldn&#8217;t be surprised that the rat becomes disoriented.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ll go on eating whatever my body seems to be craving, getting some reasonable exercise on a fairly regular basis, and just plain doing my best to enjoy the lifespan I have. If I treat myself reasonalby well, it should be an okay one, considering the fact that on my mother&#8217;s side people tend to live a fairly average length, and on my father&#8217;s side they nearly all live well into their eighties and nineties.</p>
<p>After all, if I&#8217;m hit by a bus tomorrow, I&#8217;d hate my last thought to be &#8216;well crap, I guess I could have had that cupcake after all.&#8217; Or that eggplant. Or that lamb chop. Or that baked potato.</p>
<p>The rats may do as they please.</p>
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		<title>By: Carole</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/09/26/quick-hit-turns-out-people-arent-rats/#comment-72280</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carole]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Although the CRON website said you should never dip below a 18.5 BMI, and should always eat enough to have energy to exercise and live life, every person I’ve seen who practices this is absurdly emaciated and slow-moving..&lt;/i&gt;

Wow, Bonnie, way to stereotype a whole group of people. This is exactly what people usually say about fat people: &quot;They may &lt;i&gt;say&lt;/i&gt; they&#039;re eating reasonably and exercising, but every fat person I&#039;ve ever seen is lazy/slow-moving/never exercises/insert offensive stereotype here&quot;. 

I&#039;m not saying that eating 1200 calories a day isn&#039;t silly, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s fair to characterize some other group in the exact same way we wish people wouldn&#039;t characterize us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Although the CRON website said you should never dip below a 18.5 BMI, and should always eat enough to have energy to exercise and live life, every person I’ve seen who practices this is absurdly emaciated and slow-moving..</i></p>
<p>Wow, Bonnie, way to stereotype a whole group of people. This is exactly what people usually say about fat people: &#8220;They may <i>say</i> they&#8217;re eating reasonably and exercising, but every fat person I&#8217;ve ever seen is lazy/slow-moving/never exercises/insert offensive stereotype here&#8221;. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that eating 1200 calories a day isn&#8217;t silly, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s fair to characterize some other group in the exact same way we wish people wouldn&#8217;t characterize us.</p>
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		<title>By: A Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Sarah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ho-HO!  Humans? Rodents? Different?  Golly!

Perhaps that explains why my hanging out in this here cage lined with cedar shavings hasn&#039;t caused a giant hand to descend from above bearing tasty treat pellets.  

And I was really looking forward to the tasty pellets.  *pout*

Rats!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ho-HO!  Humans? Rodents? Different?  Golly!</p>
<p>Perhaps that explains why my hanging out in this here cage lined with cedar shavings hasn&#8217;t caused a giant hand to descend from above bearing tasty treat pellets.  </p>
<p>And I was really looking forward to the tasty pellets.  *pout*</p>
<p>Rats!</p>
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		<title>By: Piffle</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/09/26/quick-hit-turns-out-people-arent-rats/#comment-72269</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Piffle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yep, it is pretty obvious that people and mice/rats are not the same in many ways.  I saw a study summary the other day where the title was something along the lines of drinking chamomile tea is good for diabetes; turns out that it was done in rodents and it was chamomile extract, not chamomile tea.  

But you&#039;d think that the Minnesota Starvation Study would&#039;ve put paid to the idea that calorie restriction is a good thing for humans.  Plus the common sense approach that humans use our brains a lot more than mice do, and those brains need food.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, it is pretty obvious that people and mice/rats are not the same in many ways.  I saw a study summary the other day where the title was something along the lines of drinking chamomile tea is good for diabetes; turns out that it was done in rodents and it was chamomile extract, not chamomile tea.  </p>
<p>But you&#8217;d think that the Minnesota Starvation Study would&#8217;ve put paid to the idea that calorie restriction is a good thing for humans.  Plus the common sense approach that humans use our brains a lot more than mice do, and those brains need food.</p>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bonnie, thanks for the orthorexia link. It reminded me of a friend who went from cutting some foods to vegetarian to vegan to someone who couldn&#039;t eat a single thing I served at one party. She&#039;s been working her way back to a more inclusive diet and seems to have a much better relationship with food.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bonnie, thanks for the orthorexia link. It reminded me of a friend who went from cutting some foods to vegetarian to vegan to someone who couldn&#8217;t eat a single thing I served at one party. She&#8217;s been working her way back to a more inclusive diet and seems to have a much better relationship with food.</p>
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		<title>By: maewyn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[maewyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tari, my cynical side thinks that telling people to change their diets is a sneaky way of getting around the ethical problem of not testing on humans. You can&#039;t tell people to do something that would harm them, but you can &lt;i&gt;suggest&lt;/i&gt; that something might be &lt;i&gt;good&lt;/i&gt; for them, &#039;cause it worked on the rats ... and then, y&#039;know, look at statistics five years later.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tari, my cynical side thinks that telling people to change their diets is a sneaky way of getting around the ethical problem of not testing on humans. You can&#8217;t tell people to do something that would harm them, but you can <i>suggest</i> that something might be <i>good</i> for them, &#8217;cause it worked on the rats &#8230; and then, y&#8217;know, look at statistics five years later.</p>
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		<title>By: maewyn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[maewyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Becky, you&#039;re supposed to eat a &lt;i&gt;balance&lt;/i&gt; of all those things. Just, y&#039;know, not enough to cause the dying.

Personally? I think that, like the cats in the last thread, most people would naturally eat a balance of fat, carbs, and protein if no one was shouting at them from birth about what foods were bad or good or caused a disease or whatever. (Note: I am not a scientist.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Becky, you&#8217;re supposed to eat a <i>balance</i> of all those things. Just, y&#8217;know, not enough to cause the dying.</p>
<p>Personally? I think that, like the cats in the last thread, most people would naturally eat a balance of fat, carbs, and protein if no one was shouting at them from birth about what foods were bad or good or caused a disease or whatever. (Note: I am not a scientist.)</p>
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