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	<title>Comments on: Guest Blogger Tari: Want to Save the U.S. Economy? Go on a Diet!</title>
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		<title>By: educator</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/07/24/guest-blogger-tari-want-to-save-the-us-economy-go-on-a-diet/#comment-65266</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[educator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is probably just marketing paid for by some diet interests!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is probably just marketing paid for by some diet interests!</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/07/24/guest-blogger-tari-want-to-save-the-us-economy-go-on-a-diet/#comment-65212</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve seen that &quot;OMG to be ecological we must all diet&quot; thing before and it makes me splutter with rage.  GAH.  Thank you for being articulate about it.  I usually just end up keyboard mashing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen that &#8220;OMG to be ecological we must all diet&#8221; thing before and it makes me splutter with rage.  GAH.  Thank you for being articulate about it.  I usually just end up keyboard mashing.</p>
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		<title>By: Scotlyn</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/07/24/guest-blogger-tari-want-to-save-the-us-economy-go-on-a-diet/#comment-65021</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scotlyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, my last should have read &quot;Re the 3,700 calories&quot; - not &quot;categories,&quot; having a senior typing moment there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, my last should have read &#8220;Re the 3,700 calories&#8221; &#8211; not &#8220;categories,&#8221; having a senior typing moment there.</p>
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		<title>By: Scotlyn</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/07/24/guest-blogger-tari-want-to-save-the-us-economy-go-on-a-diet/#comment-65019</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scotlyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve just discovered this wonderful blog, hope no one minds me jumping in so quick.  Re the 3,700 daily categories (I&#039;ve skipped some comments, so maybe someone else has covered this) this figure is extrapolated from US agricultural food production and import/export records.  However, there are a lot of things that haven&#039;t been subtracted from it - like the fact that some of this food is eaten by animals - farm/pets.  Also, because of centralisation and shelf life issues, a lot of it is dumped before it is sold.  Ask your local supermarket/restaurant how much food they have to dump every week.  You&#039;d be amazed. Also, lots of it is dumped after it is sold - check out your own waste bin, or if you have one, your compost bin.  So kcal produced does not equal calories consumed.  Obviously, the kcal consumed must equal something significantly less than 3,700.  I don&#039;t know where the &quot;junk food&quot; on top of this figure could possibly have come from - sounds like nonsense to me.  Excellent blog, which I&#039;m delighted to have discoveres.  I will shortly be pointing several friends in your direction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just discovered this wonderful blog, hope no one minds me jumping in so quick.  Re the 3,700 daily categories (I&#8217;ve skipped some comments, so maybe someone else has covered this) this figure is extrapolated from US agricultural food production and import/export records.  However, there are a lot of things that haven&#8217;t been subtracted from it &#8211; like the fact that some of this food is eaten by animals &#8211; farm/pets.  Also, because of centralisation and shelf life issues, a lot of it is dumped before it is sold.  Ask your local supermarket/restaurant how much food they have to dump every week.  You&#8217;d be amazed. Also, lots of it is dumped after it is sold &#8211; check out your own waste bin, or if you have one, your compost bin.  So kcal produced does not equal calories consumed.  Obviously, the kcal consumed must equal something significantly less than 3,700.  I don&#8217;t know where the &#8220;junk food&#8221; on top of this figure could possibly have come from &#8211; sounds like nonsense to me.  Excellent blog, which I&#8217;m delighted to have discoveres.  I will shortly be pointing several friends in your direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emily]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Other Emily,

The new AAP recommendation from what I understand is that kids age 12-24 mo with a family history of heart disease / high cholesterol and/or who are overweight should be put on 2% milk instead of whole milk, because obviously dairy fat is evil.  The recommendation for skim milk for everyone over age 2 remains the same.   All this despite the fact that whole milk has been linked with brain development, and that young kids need a calorie dense diet AND there is absolutely no such thing as an overweight one year old.   The press release I read did very little to hide that they are essentially encouraging a diet for babies.

It would be nice if the recommendation was to help kids eat more foods, but sadly that is not the impression I got.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other Emily,</p>
<p>The new AAP recommendation from what I understand is that kids age 12-24 mo with a family history of heart disease / high cholesterol and/or who are overweight should be put on 2% milk instead of whole milk, because obviously dairy fat is evil.  The recommendation for skim milk for everyone over age 2 remains the same.   All this despite the fact that whole milk has been linked with brain development, and that young kids need a calorie dense diet AND there is absolutely no such thing as an overweight one year old.   The press release I read did very little to hide that they are essentially encouraging a diet for babies.</p>
<p>It would be nice if the recommendation was to help kids eat more foods, but sadly that is not the impression I got.</p>
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		<title>By: liveparadox</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[liveparadox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aww, shucks. I couldn&#039;t post yesterday, I was too busy blushing... :)

Arwen: &quot;So, would it be fair to say people could differ in rate of burn (within a range) via:
Digestive efficency…
Metabolic efficency…
Mitochondrial efficiency for intercellular energy gack…
Muscular/Bio-mechanical efficiency for how well we transfer that into movement….
Other stuff I’m not thinking of…..&quot;

Pretty much. A lot of this is determined by genetics, and by how healthy a given part of the system is at a particular point in time (eg. you might have trouble assimilating food at the gut level for a variety of reasons). Appetite, on the other hand, is hormonal; it&#039;s controlled by a complex feedback loop that responds to blood levels of nutrients, insulin usage, and stored energy usage. I think this is why people who diet end up stabilizing at a higher weight than their original stable point: the organism sees that its reserve was insufficient to weather the period of starvation, therefore it makes more storage. But I can&#039;t back that up with published research.

As for the offers of guest-posting, I am incredibly honored. This could easily turn into a 10-page college paper, research-wise at least, and right now I have obligations to be met that preclude such research... But thank you. That did wonderful things for my ego. :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aww, shucks. I couldn&#8217;t post yesterday, I was too busy blushing&#8230; :)</p>
<p>Arwen: &#8220;So, would it be fair to say people could differ in rate of burn (within a range) via:<br />
Digestive efficency…<br />
Metabolic efficency…<br />
Mitochondrial efficiency for intercellular energy gack…<br />
Muscular/Bio-mechanical efficiency for how well we transfer that into movement….<br />
Other stuff I’m not thinking of…..&#8221;</p>
<p>Pretty much. A lot of this is determined by genetics, and by how healthy a given part of the system is at a particular point in time (eg. you might have trouble assimilating food at the gut level for a variety of reasons). Appetite, on the other hand, is hormonal; it&#8217;s controlled by a complex feedback loop that responds to blood levels of nutrients, insulin usage, and stored energy usage. I think this is why people who diet end up stabilizing at a higher weight than their original stable point: the organism sees that its reserve was insufficient to weather the period of starvation, therefore it makes more storage. But I can&#8217;t back that up with published research.</p>
<p>As for the offers of guest-posting, I am incredibly honored. This could easily turn into a 10-page college paper, research-wise at least, and right now I have obligations to be met that preclude such research&#8230; But thank you. That did wonderful things for my ego. :D</p>
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		<title>By: madge</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/07/24/guest-blogger-tari-want-to-save-the-us-economy-go-on-a-diet/#comment-64844</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[madge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The wording they chose in the headline of the piece was probably used to create buzz; after all, who doesn&#039;t love a good diet story?

As far as this:  &quot;Tyson de-beaks their birds?! HOLY FLIPPIN TORPEDO NUGGETS&quot;

and that&#039;s just (one aspect of brutality against) chickens....you may want to look into how pigs, cows, lamb, and turkeys are mistreated in CAFOs also.

Y&#039;all, if you&#039;re going to eat meat, or dairy, or soymilk and tofu, 
just do your research. We all owe it to ourselves to be educated consumers. If you want to eat meat, super, but watch the videos about factory farming first, and THEN decide if it&#039;s for you. If you&#039;re still okay with it, awesome. If not, make your choice, find an alternative source, or give it up altogether.  Ditto with tofu and soymilk. Understand that it most likely contains GMO soybeans and contains phytoestrogens. If that&#039;s cool with you, drink up.  The food industry does a REMARKABLE job of divorcing the final product - that goes into your mouth - from it&#039;s original source. This is done purposefully and consciously.  Because in a case like Tyson, they are readily aware that if more people knew about their inhumane practices, less people would be eating chicken. They&#039;re not going to tell you the truth, so it&#039;s our responsibility to seek it out.

Like how Tari got to the bottom of the 3,700kcal figure and it&#039;s true meaning.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The wording they chose in the headline of the piece was probably used to create buzz; after all, who doesn&#8217;t love a good diet story?</p>
<p>As far as this:  &#8220;Tyson de-beaks their birds?! HOLY FLIPPIN TORPEDO NUGGETS&#8221;</p>
<p>and that&#8217;s just (one aspect of brutality against) chickens&#8230;.you may want to look into how pigs, cows, lamb, and turkeys are mistreated in CAFOs also.</p>
<p>Y&#8217;all, if you&#8217;re going to eat meat, or dairy, or soymilk and tofu,<br />
just do your research. We all owe it to ourselves to be educated consumers. If you want to eat meat, super, but watch the videos about factory farming first, and THEN decide if it&#8217;s for you. If you&#8217;re still okay with it, awesome. If not, make your choice, find an alternative source, or give it up altogether.  Ditto with tofu and soymilk. Understand that it most likely contains GMO soybeans and contains phytoestrogens. If that&#8217;s cool with you, drink up.  The food industry does a REMARKABLE job of divorcing the final product &#8211; that goes into your mouth &#8211; from it&#8217;s original source. This is done purposefully and consciously.  Because in a case like Tyson, they are readily aware that if more people knew about their inhumane practices, less people would be eating chicken. They&#8217;re not going to tell you the truth, so it&#8217;s our responsibility to seek it out.</p>
<p>Like how Tari got to the bottom of the 3,700kcal figure and it&#8217;s true meaning.</p>
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		<title>By: Meowser</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/07/24/guest-blogger-tari-want-to-save-the-us-economy-go-on-a-diet/#comment-64795</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Meowser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This piece, and this entire thread, just rules my universe right now.  Thanks Tari!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This piece, and this entire thread, just rules my universe right now.  Thanks Tari!</p>
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		<title>By: Sweet Machine</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/07/24/guest-blogger-tari-want-to-save-the-us-economy-go-on-a-diet/#comment-64779</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sweet Machine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Yes, skinny friends. When you say fat people, you do mean me. I am a fat person. And if that causes some cognitive dissonance, the solution is not to declare me honorarily not-fat, the solution is to change how you think about fat people.&lt;/i&gt;

This is perfectly said.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Yes, skinny friends. When you say fat people, you do mean me. I am a fat person. And if that causes some cognitive dissonance, the solution is not to declare me honorarily not-fat, the solution is to change how you think about fat people.</i></p>
<p>This is perfectly said.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charlotte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been away from the Fatosphere for too long; I love you guys!  

This comment really has no purpose but to say I missed this site while I was on my hiatus.  Keep up the great comments, I&#039;m learning a lot from this thread. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been away from the Fatosphere for too long; I love you guys!  </p>
<p>This comment really has no purpose but to say I missed this site while I was on my hiatus.  Keep up the great comments, I&#8217;m learning a lot from this thread. :)</p>
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