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		<title>By: thebeardedlady</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/07/16/guest-blogger-lilahcello-yes-ive-got-facial-hair/#comment-119328</link>
		<dc:creator>thebeardedlady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heh heh heh. 

I&#039;ve been reading this post and comments over the past few weeks. It&#039;s really amazing to hear so many women talking about their facial and body hair. It&#039;s normal! 

Me, I&#039;ve got it all. I have hair everywhere, all the places any of you have mentioned. PCOS, combined with genetics (I remember watching my mum shave every morning), combined with getting older, and there you go. Hair-tastic.

It&#039;s crazy that this is never mentioned as a secondary sexual characteristic of women. For many, many women (the majority?) facial and body hair is a normal part of life.

I&#039;m a feminist, and for me the issue with hair is balancing my sense of injustice that I am NOT ALLOWED to have this hair (which makes me really indignant and want to grow a beard) and my sense of shame that I am some kind of unfuckable freak. Oh, and throw in fear of public humiliation and young boys laughing at me in the street, and you&#039;ve got the picture. 

I haven&#039;t quite worked it out yet, but I&#039;m getting there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heh heh heh. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been reading this post and comments over the past few weeks. It&#8217;s really amazing to hear so many women talking about their facial and body hair. It&#8217;s normal! </p>
<p>Me, I&#8217;ve got it all. I have hair everywhere, all the places any of you have mentioned. PCOS, combined with genetics (I remember watching my mum shave every morning), combined with getting older, and there you go. Hair-tastic.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s crazy that this is never mentioned as a secondary sexual characteristic of women. For many, many women (the majority?) facial and body hair is a normal part of life.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a feminist, and for me the issue with hair is balancing my sense of injustice that I am NOT ALLOWED to have this hair (which makes me really indignant and want to grow a beard) and my sense of shame that I am some kind of unfuckable freak. Oh, and throw in fear of public humiliation and young boys laughing at me in the street, and you&#8217;ve got the picture. </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t quite worked it out yet, but I&#8217;m getting there.</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/07/16/guest-blogger-lilahcello-yes-ive-got-facial-hair/#comment-97408</link>
		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 10:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have PCOS. Couple that with fair skin and natural hirsuteness (genetics suck sometimes), and we have 

I remember in high school one of the guys in my friendship group (yeah.. awesome friends) calling me &quot;goat girl&quot;. It took me a while to figure out what he was talking about - I knew I had a few hairs under my chin, but I hadn&#039;t thought they were really that noticeable. Apparently, yes they were. I SERIOUSLY gave out to him, and have since come to realise that he was a petty stupid little seventeen year old twat, but I&#039;ve never forgotten the raw burn of humiliation I felt. 

I&#039;m pretty handy with a pair of tweezers.. almost to the point of obsession. The hair has gotten more plentiful over the last couple of years, so it doesn&#039;t grow evenly, so I have to have a little plucking adventure every couple of days. It works though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have PCOS. Couple that with fair skin and natural hirsuteness (genetics suck sometimes), and we have </p>
<p>I remember in high school one of the guys in my friendship group (yeah.. awesome friends) calling me &#8220;goat girl&#8221;. It took me a while to figure out what he was talking about &#8211; I knew I had a few hairs under my chin, but I hadn&#8217;t thought they were really that noticeable. Apparently, yes they were. I SERIOUSLY gave out to him, and have since come to realise that he was a petty stupid little seventeen year old twat, but I&#8217;ve never forgotten the raw burn of humiliation I felt. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty handy with a pair of tweezers.. almost to the point of obsession. The hair has gotten more plentiful over the last couple of years, so it doesn&#8217;t grow evenly, so I have to have a little plucking adventure every couple of days. It works though.</p>
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		<title>By: ND</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/07/16/guest-blogger-lilahcello-yes-ive-got-facial-hair/#comment-84991</link>
		<dc:creator>ND</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 04:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow....spearmint tea, eh?  First time I&#039;ve heard of that.  I might try it, although I&#039;m set to go for my first laser treatment in 2 weeks.  I&#039;m excited!  I&#039;m 40 and have had a semi-beard and quite a bit of hair on my chest since I was 17.  I&#039;ve been plucking for all these years, with the same problems others on this thread have mentioned -- hiding somewhere to go tweeze hairs, ingrown hairs, too embarrassed to mention it to anyone, feeling decidedly non-feminine because of it, etc.  Obviously, it is more common than one would ever know walking around on the street.  I&#039;ve only ever seen two women in my life who had visible facial hair (a beard, that is).  Anyway, it bugs me that I don&#039;t fit into any of the more common causes of hirsutism -- I&#039;m fair-skinned, blond, don&#039;t have PCOS, don&#039;t know of any other women in my family with this condition....oh, well.  I am a &quot;woman of size&quot;, and the beard started growing soon after I turned 17 and suddenly gained about 35 pounds over one summer.  So, definitely something was going on there, but not sure what, menstruation was always completely normal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;.spearmint tea, eh?  First time I&#8217;ve heard of that.  I might try it, although I&#8217;m set to go for my first laser treatment in 2 weeks.  I&#8217;m excited!  I&#8217;m 40 and have had a semi-beard and quite a bit of hair on my chest since I was 17.  I&#8217;ve been plucking for all these years, with the same problems others on this thread have mentioned &#8212; hiding somewhere to go tweeze hairs, ingrown hairs, too embarrassed to mention it to anyone, feeling decidedly non-feminine because of it, etc.  Obviously, it is more common than one would ever know walking around on the street.  I&#8217;ve only ever seen two women in my life who had visible facial hair (a beard, that is).  Anyway, it bugs me that I don&#8217;t fit into any of the more common causes of hirsutism &#8212; I&#8217;m fair-skinned, blond, don&#8217;t have PCOS, don&#8217;t know of any other women in my family with this condition&#8230;.oh, well.  I am a &#8220;woman of size&#8221;, and the beard started growing soon after I turned 17 and suddenly gained about 35 pounds over one summer.  So, definitely something was going on there, but not sure what, menstruation was always completely normal.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/07/16/guest-blogger-lilahcello-yes-ive-got-facial-hair/#comment-73709</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 18:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I happened upon this board in a search.  I do not know if I have PCOS.  I have three kids, am of average weight but do have (and have had) an alarming increase in dark &#039;male pattern&#039; hair since I went off the pill 9 years ago.   I was desperately searching for a way to deal with it and had just come to a point of gloomy acceptance that no matter how often I plucked, there would always be ten to fifteen more dark hairs growing somewhere on my face and neck (and other unseen areas where dark hair shouldn&#039;t be on a woman!)...when I made a discovery.
Spearmint tea, ladies.
There was a study done in some country (lord help me, I can&#039;t remember which) which showed that regularily drinking spearmint tea decreased libido in men.  This lead to researchers hypothesizing that it might also help hirsute women.
I bought a box: 5 dollars canadian at my local grocery store&#039;s healthfood section.   I steep one medium sized teapot in the morning (box comes with twenty bags)...one bag for 10 to 15 minutes.  I drink two mugs of it with a little honey (for taste) before work.
I put the teapot, bag still in it, in the fridge.  When I get home from work at night, I pour the reamaining cold tea (about two more mugs worth)into a pan and reheat it on the stove (the microwave destroys the efficacy) and then drink those before bed.

Three days into this I noticed a difference.  The dark hair growth has completely  stopped.  I DO have a few black &#039;dots&#039; where ones that I plucked right before I started drinking the tea had just started to reappear, and I will have to wait for them to pop just a little and then I&#039;ll yank them too....but no new growth.  
It&#039;s a friggin&#039; miracle,  if you ask me. 
Laser treatments cost thousands and aren&#039;t permanent.  One box of tea for five bucks will last me three weeks...and it&#039;s painless.  Yes, you have to keep drinking it to continue to be smooth.  Uh..not a problem...please pass the tea!!
I hope this helps someone!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I happened upon this board in a search.  I do not know if I have PCOS.  I have three kids, am of average weight but do have (and have had) an alarming increase in dark &#8216;male pattern&#8217; hair since I went off the pill 9 years ago.   I was desperately searching for a way to deal with it and had just come to a point of gloomy acceptance that no matter how often I plucked, there would always be ten to fifteen more dark hairs growing somewhere on my face and neck (and other unseen areas where dark hair shouldn&#8217;t be on a woman!)&#8230;when I made a discovery.<br />
Spearmint tea, ladies.<br />
There was a study done in some country (lord help me, I can&#8217;t remember which) which showed that regularily drinking spearmint tea decreased libido in men.  This lead to researchers hypothesizing that it might also help hirsute women.<br />
I bought a box: 5 dollars canadian at my local grocery store&#8217;s healthfood section.   I steep one medium sized teapot in the morning (box comes with twenty bags)&#8230;one bag for 10 to 15 minutes.  I drink two mugs of it with a little honey (for taste) before work.<br />
I put the teapot, bag still in it, in the fridge.  When I get home from work at night, I pour the reamaining cold tea (about two more mugs worth)into a pan and reheat it on the stove (the microwave destroys the efficacy) and then drink those before bed.</p>
<p>Three days into this I noticed a difference.  The dark hair growth has completely  stopped.  I DO have a few black &#8216;dots&#8217; where ones that I plucked right before I started drinking the tea had just started to reappear, and I will have to wait for them to pop just a little and then I&#8217;ll yank them too&#8230;.but no new growth.<br />
It&#8217;s a friggin&#8217; miracle,  if you ask me.<br />
Laser treatments cost thousands and aren&#8217;t permanent.  One box of tea for five bucks will last me three weeks&#8230;and it&#8217;s painless.  Yes, you have to keep drinking it to continue to be smooth.  Uh..not a problem&#8230;please pass the tea!!<br />
I hope this helps someone!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/07/16/guest-blogger-lilahcello-yes-ive-got-facial-hair/#comment-71539</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I shave my face.

I&#039;m blonde and British, and I don&#039;t have dark, wirey hairs, but a VERY thick peachfuzz mustache and goatee. My mom and sisters have the same thing, inherited from my grandfather, who&#039;s half gorilla.. I&#039;m just happy I don&#039;t have chest and back hair too, being desceded from him.

I do get wiry hairs around my nipples - those I pluck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I shave my face.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m blonde and British, and I don&#8217;t have dark, wirey hairs, but a VERY thick peachfuzz mustache and goatee. My mom and sisters have the same thing, inherited from my grandfather, who&#8217;s half gorilla.. I&#8217;m just happy I don&#8217;t have chest and back hair too, being desceded from him.</p>
<p>I do get wiry hairs around my nipples &#8211; those I pluck.</p>
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		<title>By: LilahCello</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/07/16/guest-blogger-lilahcello-yes-ive-got-facial-hair/#comment-69481</link>
		<dc:creator>LilahCello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, now a month after the last comment, I am back to say that I have a consultation for laser hair removal in September.  3 sessions (for the chin) are only $137 (plus the consult, which is $50).  I am very, very excited.  From what I&#039;ve read, I am a good candidate - light skin, dark hair - so I have my fingers crossed.  Will let people know how it goes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, now a month after the last comment, I am back to say that I have a consultation for laser hair removal in September.  3 sessions (for the chin) are only $137 (plus the consult, which is $50).  I am very, very excited.  From what I&#8217;ve read, I am a good candidate &#8211; light skin, dark hair &#8211; so I have my fingers crossed.  Will let people know how it goes!</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/07/16/guest-blogger-lilahcello-yes-ive-got-facial-hair/#comment-63892</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have some dark fuzz on my upper lip. I always have. Recently, it got a little darker/thicker. I&#039;m 25. I like how I look, but it got to the point that every time I looked in the mirror, all I saw was my facial hair. It was depressing me. 

So I went to the salon and got a wax. It hurt a little, it was red for an hour, and then smooth for about 3 weeks. That was four months ago and at $5 - $10 a pop, it&#039;s the best money on cosmetics I&#039;ve ever spent. I like how I look, and I don&#039;t care if that&#039;s because I gave in to societal pressures. What was I supposed to do? Hate my face and suffer for the good of feminism? No thank you. Volunteering and donating money for good causes does a lot more than letting my facial hair grow and make me miserable. 

My fiance shaves his face. That does not mean he isn&#039;t in touch with his masculine side. I figure the same applies to me - because if there is such a think as a woman embracing her masculine side, I do it while weight training and watching sports. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have some dark fuzz on my upper lip. I always have. Recently, it got a little darker/thicker. I&#8217;m 25. I like how I look, but it got to the point that every time I looked in the mirror, all I saw was my facial hair. It was depressing me. </p>
<p>So I went to the salon and got a wax. It hurt a little, it was red for an hour, and then smooth for about 3 weeks. That was four months ago and at $5 &#8211; $10 a pop, it&#8217;s the best money on cosmetics I&#8217;ve ever spent. I like how I look, and I don&#8217;t care if that&#8217;s because I gave in to societal pressures. What was I supposed to do? Hate my face and suffer for the good of feminism? No thank you. Volunteering and donating money for good causes does a lot more than letting my facial hair grow and make me miserable. </p>
<p>My fiance shaves his face. That does not mean he isn&#8217;t in touch with his masculine side. I figure the same applies to me &#8211; because if there is such a think as a woman embracing her masculine side, I do it while weight training and watching sports. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Regina T</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/07/16/guest-blogger-lilahcello-yes-ive-got-facial-hair/#comment-63881</link>
		<dc:creator>Regina T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being that my personal blog is titled &quot;Chin Hairs&quot; (middleagechinhairs.blogspot.com-to be exact), I feel somewhat qualified to respond to this thread.  The title for my blog was birthed from finding myself pondering various opinions, musings, life lessons, etc. whilst subconsciously feeling around the edge of my chin seeking out chin hairs.  This is something I would do mindlessly and without much thought since entering middle age, but as a teen, I would find and pluck the occasional black hair from my chin, neck or cheek.  

As my mother aged, she grew a perfect half circle of gray hairs on her chin-one many men would envy.  She, too would shave with a man&#039;s disposable razor and shaving cream.  When she had her first heart attack and spent a week in the hospital, I was shocked to see these chin hairs in full glory encircling her chin.  It was beautiful in its precision and perfect salt and pepper coloring, yet smacked of oddity in that she was a woman and women don&#039;t have beards!  Upon leaving her room, I turned to my teenage daughter and said &quot;If I am ever lying in a hospital bed with a full beard like that, you are REQUIRED to shave me immediately!.  

i have fully accepted that I have chin hair, and that I will one day most likely grow a beard that requires shaving and or some other form of removal.  I do not hide it, nor am i ashamed of it.  I just don&#039;t want it on my face.  It&#039;s science....hormones and genetics cause hair to grow in specific places (my hubby has very little hair on his head, yet could provide sweaters for all the residents of Siberia with his massive amount of body hair I remove from the shower drain each day *collective &quot;ewwww&quot;*).  

Deal with it however you need to.  It&#039;s just hair.  No need to feel ugly, bad, shameful, hideous, or any other label.  I would give anything to see my mother&#039;s wonderfully strange beard again.  She&#039;s been gone eight years now and I often think that my own chin hairs somehow keep her close by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being that my personal blog is titled &#8220;Chin Hairs&#8221; (middleagechinhairs.blogspot.com-to be exact), I feel somewhat qualified to respond to this thread.  The title for my blog was birthed from finding myself pondering various opinions, musings, life lessons, etc. whilst subconsciously feeling around the edge of my chin seeking out chin hairs.  This is something I would do mindlessly and without much thought since entering middle age, but as a teen, I would find and pluck the occasional black hair from my chin, neck or cheek.  </p>
<p>As my mother aged, she grew a perfect half circle of gray hairs on her chin-one many men would envy.  She, too would shave with a man&#8217;s disposable razor and shaving cream.  When she had her first heart attack and spent a week in the hospital, I was shocked to see these chin hairs in full glory encircling her chin.  It was beautiful in its precision and perfect salt and pepper coloring, yet smacked of oddity in that she was a woman and women don&#8217;t have beards!  Upon leaving her room, I turned to my teenage daughter and said &#8220;If I am ever lying in a hospital bed with a full beard like that, you are REQUIRED to shave me immediately!.  </p>
<p>i have fully accepted that I have chin hair, and that I will one day most likely grow a beard that requires shaving and or some other form of removal.  I do not hide it, nor am i ashamed of it.  I just don&#8217;t want it on my face.  It&#8217;s science&#8230;.hormones and genetics cause hair to grow in specific places (my hubby has very little hair on his head, yet could provide sweaters for all the residents of Siberia with his massive amount of body hair I remove from the shower drain each day *collective &#8220;ewwww&#8221;*).  </p>
<p>Deal with it however you need to.  It&#8217;s just hair.  No need to feel ugly, bad, shameful, hideous, or any other label.  I would give anything to see my mother&#8217;s wonderfully strange beard again.  She&#8217;s been gone eight years now and I often think that my own chin hairs somehow keep her close by.</p>
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		<title>By: DAAS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DAAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.cosmeticscop.com/learn/art.asp?ID=138

This site has a really good and thorough explanation of acne and many different treatments and what each one does.  Also, I have taken Accutane after trying BC, anti- biotics, Retin- A, anit-biotic creams, and every single over the counter treatment, and it is the first thing that worked.  I had minimal side affects too.</description>
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<p>This site has a really good and thorough explanation of acne and many different treatments and what each one does.  Also, I have taken Accutane after trying BC, anti- biotics, Retin- A, anit-biotic creams, and every single over the counter treatment, and it is the first thing that worked.  I had minimal side affects too.</p>
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		<title>By: SugarLeigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>SugarLeigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 04:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duffy is pretty sure every time is playtime, and he should be in my lap no matter how I&#039;m sitting, what I&#039;m wearing, or what I&#039;m doing. He&#039;s 12 pounds of giant, hyperactive CAT. He also comes without warning, as he is very quiet when he feels like it.

I&#039;m pretty sure if he saw me with a razor he&#039;d suddenly lunge for it. Therefore, I&#039;d rather not have him silently sneak up on me while sharp objects are so close to sensitive places. *cringe*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duffy is pretty sure every time is playtime, and he should be in my lap no matter how I&#8217;m sitting, what I&#8217;m wearing, or what I&#8217;m doing. He&#8217;s 12 pounds of giant, hyperactive CAT. He also comes without warning, as he is very quiet when he feels like it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure if he saw me with a razor he&#8217;d suddenly lunge for it. Therefore, I&#8217;d rather not have him silently sneak up on me while sharp objects are so close to sensitive places. *cringe*</p>
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