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		<title>By: PlaitteScieme</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/07/09/stop-her-before-she-diets-again/#comment-111584</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 00:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: scotlyn</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/07/09/stop-her-before-she-diets-again/#comment-67945</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi atiton-
I hear you - you&#039;ve been through a lot with those joints!

What I meant by bending in one direction, though, was this - whereas hips, shoulders, wrists and ankles are able to rotate, and even elbows to a limited extent but knees emphatically do not rotate, they only bend.  Some types of exercises overstretch the ligaments on either side of the knee, which work better to protect the knee if they are somewhat stiff.  I probably did not explain very well, and anyway, I&#039;ve realised this is not the place for heedless advising without a prior invitation, so I&#039;ll stop here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi atiton-<br />
I hear you &#8211; you&#8217;ve been through a lot with those joints!</p>
<p>What I meant by bending in one direction, though, was this &#8211; whereas hips, shoulders, wrists and ankles are able to rotate, and even elbows to a limited extent but knees emphatically do not rotate, they only bend.  Some types of exercises overstretch the ligaments on either side of the knee, which work better to protect the knee if they are somewhat stiff.  I probably did not explain very well, and anyway, I&#8217;ve realised this is not the place for heedless advising without a prior invitation, so I&#8217;ll stop here.</p>
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		<title>By: atiton</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/07/09/stop-her-before-she-diets-again/#comment-66204</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[scotlyn, thanks. Your last sentence really amused me, as I actually have hyperextended joints. And not just my knees. All of them. Every last one of them. So, in fact, my knees bend mostly in one direction, but then some in the other. 

This leads to much mental frustration as well as physical pain. In Pilates, for example, whenever we have a substitute instructor, I have to go through the whole, &quot;My aren&#039;t YOU Miss Flexible?&quot; And I feel the need to explain AGAIN about how we&#039;re all made differently and that no one way is better than another and that my flexibility means that I&#039;ve had arthritis since I was 13 and that I get tendonitis at the drop of a hat...blahblahblah. I do get sick of being a freakshow. Sometimes, I even get a hint of, &quot;But you&#039;re so LARGE...how can you be this limber?&quot; But I let that slide off me for the ignorance that it is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>scotlyn, thanks. Your last sentence really amused me, as I actually have hyperextended joints. And not just my knees. All of them. Every last one of them. So, in fact, my knees bend mostly in one direction, but then some in the other. </p>
<p>This leads to much mental frustration as well as physical pain. In Pilates, for example, whenever we have a substitute instructor, I have to go through the whole, &#8220;My aren&#8217;t YOU Miss Flexible?&#8221; And I feel the need to explain AGAIN about how we&#8217;re all made differently and that no one way is better than another and that my flexibility means that I&#8217;ve had arthritis since I was 13 and that I get tendonitis at the drop of a hat&#8230;blahblahblah. I do get sick of being a freakshow. Sometimes, I even get a hint of, &#8220;But you&#8217;re so LARGE&#8230;how can you be this limber?&#8221; But I let that slide off me for the ignorance that it is.</p>
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		<title>By: scotlyn</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/07/09/stop-her-before-she-diets-again/#comment-66137</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Phew, glad to have struck a chord, instead of annoying.    I&#039;ll look up DDR - sounds good. 
Just on knees - in my acupuncture practice I see a LOT of knees.  And acupuncture can, just about, keep some people going when they are waiting for a knee replacement.  But, here in Ireland, the official waiting lists are miles long - you&#039;d need to be a time traveller to get seen when you really need it.  But here&#039;s what really kicked off the whole HAES thing for me was this - when it wasn&#039;t about me any more, but about patients I&#039;ve got who have been told they ARE eligible for new knees/new hips, whatever, BUT, they&#039;re not even going to be put on the OFFICIAL waiting list UNTIL they can lose a stone or three (ready reckoner for Americans and other metrically diverse persons - 1 stone = 6kg = 14lbs).  And so, if these patients can&#039;t get off the UNOFFICIAL waiting list (all together now...) IT&#039;s THEIR OWN DAMN FAULT.  And worst of all, my patients come in here saying &quot;please help me lose the weight!&quot;  I had to find out a better answer for them than just my gut instinct that that wasn&#039;t the answer - and then I discovered junfoodscience - about six months ago.  This blog (KHSP) is a more recent discovery, but wow - everyone on it has great things to say, and if I&#039;m not careful, this blog will take me well away from my actual life - but I guess I can give it up anytime I like :) 
Anyway, about knees - be gentle, enjoy, and remember, they are only supposed to bend in one direction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phew, glad to have struck a chord, instead of annoying.    I&#8217;ll look up DDR &#8211; sounds good.<br />
Just on knees &#8211; in my acupuncture practice I see a LOT of knees.  And acupuncture can, just about, keep some people going when they are waiting for a knee replacement.  But, here in Ireland, the official waiting lists are miles long &#8211; you&#8217;d need to be a time traveller to get seen when you really need it.  But here&#8217;s what really kicked off the whole HAES thing for me was this &#8211; when it wasn&#8217;t about me any more, but about patients I&#8217;ve got who have been told they ARE eligible for new knees/new hips, whatever, BUT, they&#8217;re not even going to be put on the OFFICIAL waiting list UNTIL they can lose a stone or three (ready reckoner for Americans and other metrically diverse persons &#8211; 1 stone = 6kg = 14lbs).  And so, if these patients can&#8217;t get off the UNOFFICIAL waiting list (all together now&#8230;) IT&#8217;s THEIR OWN DAMN FAULT.  And worst of all, my patients come in here saying &#8220;please help me lose the weight!&#8221;  I had to find out a better answer for them than just my gut instinct that that wasn&#8217;t the answer &#8211; and then I discovered junfoodscience &#8211; about six months ago.  This blog (KHSP) is a more recent discovery, but wow &#8211; everyone on it has great things to say, and if I&#8217;m not careful, this blog will take me well away from my actual life &#8211; but I guess I can give it up anytime I like :)<br />
Anyway, about knees &#8211; be gentle, enjoy, and remember, they are only supposed to bend in one direction.</p>
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		<title>By: atiton</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SM, I have/had DDR for the PS2. And, I know this isn&#039;t what you necessarily want to hear, the only way to go is with a real pad from Red Octane. No messing around, you need a pad made of metal, you know what I mean? And, as for software, my faves were DDR Extreme (the best one of all) and DDRMax2. 

I&#039;m staring at the disks now, thinking...just one more round...just one more round. But one more round means over an hour for me and the old knees just can&#039;t do it. I need Sylvester&#039;s &quot;Birds Anonymous&quot; for DDR. Yes, I did just compare a video game to Tweety.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SM, I have/had DDR for the PS2. And, I know this isn&#8217;t what you necessarily want to hear, the only way to go is with a real pad from Red Octane. No messing around, you need a pad made of metal, you know what I mean? And, as for software, my faves were DDR Extreme (the best one of all) and DDRMax2. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m staring at the disks now, thinking&#8230;just one more round&#8230;just one more round. But one more round means over an hour for me and the old knees just can&#8217;t do it. I need Sylvester&#8217;s &#8220;Birds Anonymous&#8221; for DDR. Yes, I did just compare a video game to Tweety.</p>
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		<title>By: Sweet Machine</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sweet Machine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh man, atiton, it just occurred to me that since I&#039;m about to move to a first-floor apartment, we can finally get DDR without worrying about pissing off neighbors! Which instantiation of it do you recommend?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh man, atiton, it just occurred to me that since I&#8217;m about to move to a first-floor apartment, we can finally get DDR without worrying about pissing off neighbors! Which instantiation of it do you recommend?</p>
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		<title>By: atiton</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/07/09/stop-her-before-she-diets-again/#comment-66131</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My weight and happiness also have little to do with one another...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My weight and happiness also have little to do with one another&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: atiton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[atiton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scotlyn, what you say is also true for me insofar as it was exercise/movement that finally demonstrated to me that calories in/calories out was utter garbage. I was at the heaviest I have ever been while living in NYC walking 3+ miles/day, every day. My weight and happiness, it turns out, have very little to do with how many calories I expend.

Of course, my current knee problems only really took hold once I found out that I had a talent for Dance Dance Revolution. Not a form of movement good for anyone over 30, but damn fun.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scotlyn, what you say is also true for me insofar as it was exercise/movement that finally demonstrated to me that calories in/calories out was utter garbage. I was at the heaviest I have ever been while living in NYC walking 3+ miles/day, every day. My weight and happiness, it turns out, have very little to do with how many calories I expend.</p>
<p>Of course, my current knee problems only really took hold once I found out that I had a talent for Dance Dance Revolution. Not a form of movement good for anyone over 30, but damn fun.</p>
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		<title>By: wriggles</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fantastic, scotlyn, I couldn&#039;t agree with you more, this exercise guff is another thing I&#039;ve jettisoned as I&#039;m sick of it&#039;s invasiveness, as if your body is a dog that has to be taken for walkies. When it is indeed &lt;i&gt;yourself&lt;/i&gt;.  
It really can get in the way of your spiritual connection with your body /self and can be as distorting to your desire to move as diets can be to your instinct to nourish yourself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic, scotlyn, I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more, this exercise guff is another thing I&#8217;ve jettisoned as I&#8217;m sick of it&#8217;s invasiveness, as if your body is a dog that has to be taken for walkies. When it is indeed <i>yourself</i>.<br />
It really can get in the way of your spiritual connection with your body /self and can be as distorting to your desire to move as diets can be to your instinct to nourish yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: scotlyn</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/07/09/stop-her-before-she-diets-again/#comment-66118</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[scotlyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, I know its an old thread, but it is relevant to what I&#039;m thinking right now, and I have given this a lot of thought - so, I hope, not just spouting.  I nearly got up in the middle of the night last night to add these next thoughts, but decided that way madness lies... so here goes:
Exercise is part of the formula:  diet + exercise = what works.
Exercise is the currency you use when dieting to PAY for food - remember?
Exercise is Extra, Extraneous, Extrinsic to your actual life.  Like you could be waitressing 8 hours a day, running to catch buses to/from work, spending your evenings feeding/entertaining your kids, getting them ready for bed/for school - BUT, if you don&#039;t spend half an hour on that stairmaster before collapsing in a heap - you haven&#039;t exercised.
Exercise is Virtue, but also Punishment.  It is the wages of Sin (we used to call them Sloth and Gluttony, folks).

There&#039;s more, but this is supposed to be a comment not a post.   

So then there is movement - a different word altogether.
Movement - a group of people who loosely work towards a common goal.

Movement - a musical term.  And Movement and Music go together like .....well, babies and doughnuts, or anything else you can think of that goes really, really well together.
Movement is organic, natural, and stillness can be a part of it.  If we are alive we are in motion, and this is true EVEN if we are practically immobile (I had cause to find this one out when coming face to face last March with dead body of elderly relative who had died - peacefully, as they say -  in his bed.  He was 95, and practically immobile before he died - but seeing him dead made me realize how much he had been moving even when sitting in his chair all day!)  
People have always worked, rested and played - and even though that was an ad, it is still a description of a full life with no room for Exercise.   If we breathe we are in motion - our actual life that we are living is one long fluid motion - why should we have to step OUTSIDE of our life now and again and EXERCISE.

Sorry - maybe this is a rant - if so, I apologise.  But with A Sarah&#039;s journey, which started this thread, exercise is no more an &quot;answer&quot; than diet.  And the following self-teaching has become part of my journey - &quot;Don&#039;t diet. Just eat stuff.  Don&#039;t exercise.  Just do stuff. Start when you feel like it, stop when you want.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I know its an old thread, but it is relevant to what I&#8217;m thinking right now, and I have given this a lot of thought &#8211; so, I hope, not just spouting.  I nearly got up in the middle of the night last night to add these next thoughts, but decided that way madness lies&#8230; so here goes:<br />
Exercise is part of the formula:  diet + exercise = what works.<br />
Exercise is the currency you use when dieting to PAY for food &#8211; remember?<br />
Exercise is Extra, Extraneous, Extrinsic to your actual life.  Like you could be waitressing 8 hours a day, running to catch buses to/from work, spending your evenings feeding/entertaining your kids, getting them ready for bed/for school &#8211; BUT, if you don&#8217;t spend half an hour on that stairmaster before collapsing in a heap &#8211; you haven&#8217;t exercised.<br />
Exercise is Virtue, but also Punishment.  It is the wages of Sin (we used to call them Sloth and Gluttony, folks).</p>
<p>There&#8217;s more, but this is supposed to be a comment not a post.   </p>
<p>So then there is movement &#8211; a different word altogether.<br />
Movement &#8211; a group of people who loosely work towards a common goal.</p>
<p>Movement &#8211; a musical term.  And Movement and Music go together like &#8230;..well, babies and doughnuts, or anything else you can think of that goes really, really well together.<br />
Movement is organic, natural, and stillness can be a part of it.  If we are alive we are in motion, and this is true EVEN if we are practically immobile (I had cause to find this one out when coming face to face last March with dead body of elderly relative who had died &#8211; peacefully, as they say &#8211;  in his bed.  He was 95, and practically immobile before he died &#8211; but seeing him dead made me realize how much he had been moving even when sitting in his chair all day!)<br />
People have always worked, rested and played &#8211; and even though that was an ad, it is still a description of a full life with no room for Exercise.   If we breathe we are in motion &#8211; our actual life that we are living is one long fluid motion &#8211; why should we have to step OUTSIDE of our life now and again and EXERCISE.</p>
<p>Sorry &#8211; maybe this is a rant &#8211; if so, I apologise.  But with A Sarah&#8217;s journey, which started this thread, exercise is no more an &#8220;answer&#8221; than diet.  And the following self-teaching has become part of my journey &#8211; &#8220;Don&#8217;t diet. Just eat stuff.  Don&#8217;t exercise.  Just do stuff. Start when you feel like it, stop when you want.&#8221;</p>
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