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		<title>By: Angelina</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/06/20/we-heart-joy-nash/#comment-63619</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Meh. Not feeling the &quot;last acceptable prejudice&quot; vibe. not feeling it at all. Paints the whole thing, which would&#039;ve been otherwise interesting, with a ignorant white privilege brush. At least for this brown girl.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meh. Not feeling the &#8220;last acceptable prejudice&#8221; vibe. not feeling it at all. Paints the whole thing, which would&#8217;ve been otherwise interesting, with a ignorant white privilege brush. At least for this brown girl.</p>
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		<title>By: amandaw</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/06/20/we-heart-joy-nash/#comment-59857</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK. I just left a comment at Anna&#039;s, but (and I didn&#039;t get to do more than quickly skim the last half of the comments, just got back from DC, am exhausted) I wanted to comment here.

I want you all to think about how frustrating it is for a person to imply to you that the oppression you face isn&#039;t serious, or even just isn&#039;t common.

Think HARD about that before you try to draw comparison by saying how many people of X class accept/don&#039;t accept/welcome/are insulted by/etc. their oppression.

People who don&#039;t accept that their fat is a point of inferiority are few and far between -- to say nothing of those who actually view their fat as a POSITIVE thing.

And guess what? People who don&#039;t accept that their disability is a point of inferiority are few and fucking far between -- much less people who think their disability is a POSITIVE thing.

You know what&#039;s causing the discrepancy in your observation? It&#039;s a nine-letter word beginning with &quot;P&quot; and rhyming with &quot;schmrivilege.&quot;

And you know what? The same can be said about gender. The same can be said about race. The same can be said about sexual orientation and sexual identity. The same can be said about ....

Please please PLEASE think fucking HARD before you try to draw comparisons between privileges. I GUARANFUCKINTEE you are going to step on a lot of toes when you do. No matter how hard you try, with the most generous of intentions, not to do so.

There&#039;s a reason for that, folks. 
Where we are clueless, we should not be flaunting that to our allies.
We should be LISTENING and trying our best to LEARN.

Instead of comparing -- try this -- turn that reflection inward, and think, &quot;If I am thinking that XYZ oppression is &#039;better&#039; in ABC way than mine... what is it that I&#039;m missing that allows me to think that way?&quot;

If you can&#039;t think of anything -- resign yourself to the fact that privilege is really damn pervasive and it takes a long time, sometimes, to understand some things -- so let that thought sit in your brain, and vow to yourself to listen to people from XYZ group in the ongoing future, and consider it an open case.

If you don&#039;t find the &quot;something&quot; that you&#039;re missing? That case is still open.
It should NEVER be considered closed.

I know most of you would expect the same of me, in regards to fat and thin privilege (from which I still benefit, even as I am now technically &#039;overweight&#039;! mild body dysmorphia -- fun) -- I&#039;m just asking the same of you.

And thank you -- sincerely -- for the community that this is. &#039;cuz I really do appreciate it.

And my apologies for being so late to the party.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. I just left a comment at Anna&#8217;s, but (and I didn&#8217;t get to do more than quickly skim the last half of the comments, just got back from DC, am exhausted) I wanted to comment here.</p>
<p>I want you all to think about how frustrating it is for a person to imply to you that the oppression you face isn&#8217;t serious, or even just isn&#8217;t common.</p>
<p>Think HARD about that before you try to draw comparison by saying how many people of X class accept/don&#8217;t accept/welcome/are insulted by/etc. their oppression.</p>
<p>People who don&#8217;t accept that their fat is a point of inferiority are few and far between &#8212; to say nothing of those who actually view their fat as a POSITIVE thing.</p>
<p>And guess what? People who don&#8217;t accept that their disability is a point of inferiority are few and fucking far between &#8212; much less people who think their disability is a POSITIVE thing.</p>
<p>You know what&#8217;s causing the discrepancy in your observation? It&#8217;s a nine-letter word beginning with &#8220;P&#8221; and rhyming with &#8220;schmrivilege.&#8221;</p>
<p>And you know what? The same can be said about gender. The same can be said about race. The same can be said about sexual orientation and sexual identity. The same can be said about &#8230;.</p>
<p>Please please PLEASE think fucking HARD before you try to draw comparisons between privileges. I GUARANFUCKINTEE you are going to step on a lot of toes when you do. No matter how hard you try, with the most generous of intentions, not to do so.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a reason for that, folks.<br />
Where we are clueless, we should not be flaunting that to our allies.<br />
We should be LISTENING and trying our best to LEARN.</p>
<p>Instead of comparing &#8212; try this &#8212; turn that reflection inward, and think, &#8220;If I am thinking that XYZ oppression is &#8216;better&#8217; in ABC way than mine&#8230; what is it that I&#8217;m missing that allows me to think that way?&#8221;</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t think of anything &#8212; resign yourself to the fact that privilege is really damn pervasive and it takes a long time, sometimes, to understand some things &#8212; so let that thought sit in your brain, and vow to yourself to listen to people from XYZ group in the ongoing future, and consider it an open case.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t find the &#8220;something&#8221; that you&#8217;re missing? That case is still open.<br />
It should NEVER be considered closed.</p>
<p>I know most of you would expect the same of me, in regards to fat and thin privilege (from which I still benefit, even as I am now technically &#8216;overweight&#8217;! mild body dysmorphia &#8212; fun) &#8212; I&#8217;m just asking the same of you.</p>
<p>And thank you &#8212; sincerely &#8212; for the community that this is. &#8216;cuz I really do appreciate it.</p>
<p>And my apologies for being so late to the party.</p>
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		<title>By: Lu</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/06/20/we-heart-joy-nash/#comment-59118</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[not that I&#039;m saying I sound as cute. Though maybe I do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not that I&#8217;m saying I sound as cute. Though maybe I do.</p>
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		<title>By: Lu</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/06/20/we-heart-joy-nash/#comment-59117</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m late to the party, but I&#039;ve never seen Joy Nash before and I really like her. She&#039;s so positive! Also, I think her little quasi-lisp* is very very cute. That&#039;s the way I think I sound, too, though some people don&#039;t hear it.
*I don&#039;t know what it&#039;s really called, it&#039;s just something I hear on her esses and mine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m late to the party, but I&#8217;ve never seen Joy Nash before and I really like her. She&#8217;s so positive! Also, I think her little quasi-lisp* is very very cute. That&#8217;s the way I think I sound, too, though some people don&#8217;t hear it.<br />
*I don&#8217;t know what it&#8217;s really called, it&#8217;s just something I hear on her esses and mine.</p>
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		<title>By: iheartchocolat</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/06/20/we-heart-joy-nash/#comment-59107</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a person who has always felt i needed to apologize for my appearance...i&#039;m a big girl in every sense of the word...this video make me think why am i apologizing?  especially when i believe we all make our own choices, and ultimately are responsible for them. it&#039;s none of my business, so why should i judge? ....which just leads to this, if more people would mind their own damn business, the world would be such a better place!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a person who has always felt i needed to apologize for my appearance&#8230;i&#8217;m a big girl in every sense of the word&#8230;this video make me think why am i apologizing?  especially when i believe we all make our own choices, and ultimately are responsible for them. it&#8217;s none of my business, so why should i judge? &#8230;.which just leads to this, if more people would mind their own damn business, the world would be such a better place!</p>
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		<title>By: car</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/06/20/we-heart-joy-nash/#comment-58891</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[car]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 02:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dang, hit submit by accident. Stupid trackpad. Anyway, I was going to finish up by saying that I like to sing that song to myself when I order out in a restaurant - yeah, I&#039;m ordering the salad with the dressing on it instead of on the side, bite me!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang, hit submit by accident. Stupid trackpad. Anyway, I was going to finish up by saying that I like to sing that song to myself when I order out in a restaurant &#8211; yeah, I&#8217;m ordering the salad with the dressing on it instead of on the side, bite me!</p>
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		<title>By: car</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/06/20/we-heart-joy-nash/#comment-58890</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is entirely OT, but I&#039;ll cram it in by saying that since Joy&#039;s fabulous dress came under discussion, &lt;a href=&quot;http://youtube.com/watch?v=OoBVdcadDxk&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this video&lt;/a&gt; has some dresses that I totally WANT as well. It veers a little too far to the &quot;fat women are REAL women&quot; line that isn&#039;t nice to all other women, but dang, I want that lavender dress. And I don&#039;t even like lavender. And the tune is catchy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is entirely OT, but I&#8217;ll cram it in by saying that since Joy&#8217;s fabulous dress came under discussion, <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=OoBVdcadDxk" rel="nofollow">this video</a> has some dresses that I totally WANT as well. It veers a little too far to the &#8220;fat women are REAL women&#8221; line that isn&#8217;t nice to all other women, but dang, I want that lavender dress. And I don&#8217;t even like lavender. And the tune is catchy.</p>
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		<title>By: car</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/06/20/we-heart-joy-nash/#comment-58889</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;i have a digital camera, but i don’t know how to set it up so it takes pictures of me.&lt;/i&gt;

I avoid the whole self-timer problem by using a mirror - sometimes I take the picture in the mirror so I can look at the framing onscreen, sometimes I point it at me and look at the screen in the mirror. And sometimes I just hold it up and hope I have myself somewhere in the view. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>i have a digital camera, but i don’t know how to set it up so it takes pictures of me.</i></p>
<p>I avoid the whole self-timer problem by using a mirror &#8211; sometimes I take the picture in the mirror so I can look at the framing onscreen, sometimes I point it at me and look at the screen in the mirror. And sometimes I just hold it up and hope I have myself somewhere in the view. :)</p>
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		<title>By: hoshi</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/06/20/we-heart-joy-nash/#comment-58881</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hoshi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 23:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thank you for your advice, car! that&#039;s a great idea. ^_^ i have a digital camera, but i don&#039;t know how to set it up so it takes pictures of me.

still, &quot;not knowing&quot; doesn&#039;t mean i can&#039;t learn!

thank you for the warm welcome, ladies and gents. ^_^ i very much appreciate it. *curtsies*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you for your advice, car! that&#8217;s a great idea. ^_^ i have a digital camera, but i don&#8217;t know how to set it up so it takes pictures of me.</p>
<p>still, &#8220;not knowing&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean i can&#8217;t learn!</p>
<p>thank you for the warm welcome, ladies and gents. ^_^ i very much appreciate it. *curtsies*</p>
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		<title>By: shiloh</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/06/20/we-heart-joy-nash/#comment-58879</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Second the &quot;digital cameras can be incredibly freeing&quot; thing.

&lt;i&gt;I can get maybe one good shot out of 30 or 40. But the few that are good? Are really good. &lt;/i&gt;

When we got married my MIL wanted an &quot;engagement picture&quot; for their local paper, and we had the pictures taken by a friend of my brothers - he told us he was going to shoot two rolls of film, because &quot;the first one&#039;s for getting used to the camera&quot; - he thinks a lot of people who think they &quot;aren&#039;t photogenic&quot; are really just tense and need to relax - and because  &quot;getting the right picture means taking a lot of wrong ones.&quot;  One of those shots is about the only picture taken of me as an adult that I like.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Second the &#8220;digital cameras can be incredibly freeing&#8221; thing.</p>
<p><i>I can get maybe one good shot out of 30 or 40. But the few that are good? Are really good. </i></p>
<p>When we got married my MIL wanted an &#8220;engagement picture&#8221; for their local paper, and we had the pictures taken by a friend of my brothers &#8211; he told us he was going to shoot two rolls of film, because &#8220;the first one&#8217;s for getting used to the camera&#8221; &#8211; he thinks a lot of people who think they &#8220;aren&#8217;t photogenic&#8221; are really just tense and need to relax &#8211; and because  &#8220;getting the right picture means taking a lot of wrong ones.&#8221;  One of those shots is about the only picture taken of me as an adult that I like.</p>
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