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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so glad I saw this.  I&#039;m an undergrad at a large university and I often have to cram myself into a small chair and then not have the desk fit over my stomach.  It&#039;s humiliating.  When I went to ask a professor, she said I had to wheel a chair in from the hallway myself, which I found only more humiliating.  I wish I would have thought to go to someone else for help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad I saw this.  I&#8217;m an undergrad at a large university and I often have to cram myself into a small chair and then not have the desk fit over my stomach.  It&#8217;s humiliating.  When I went to ask a professor, she said I had to wheel a chair in from the hallway myself, which I found only more humiliating.  I wish I would have thought to go to someone else for help.</p>
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		<title>By: sgabto</title>
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		<dc:creator>sgabto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 05:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you go to the website I mentioned earlier, ifisher.com, Elizabeth Fisher did some research at LSU and found that, if I recall correctly, the newer the seating, the smaller it was.  Considering the enrollment boom at universities these days, it doesn&#039;t surprise me that seats would be getting smaller, since that is the cheapest way to fit in all those incoming freshmen without actually having to build new classroom space.

Hey, universities are the new airline industry; how long before fat students are forced to pay 2 tuitions, ;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you go to the website I mentioned earlier, ifisher.com, Elizabeth Fisher did some research at LSU and found that, if I recall correctly, the newer the seating, the smaller it was.  Considering the enrollment boom at universities these days, it doesn&#8217;t surprise me that seats would be getting smaller, since that is the cheapest way to fit in all those incoming freshmen without actually having to build new classroom space.</p>
<p>Hey, universities are the new airline industry; how long before fat students are forced to pay 2 tuitions, ;).</p>
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		<title>By: Morte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 03:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS the reason i am posting so much in response to this is it&#039;s something i care about. thankfully my boss is awesome and pro universal design and helps people she doesn&#039;t have to (such as non-disabled fat students). but i think it sucks that she has to go above and beyond her job to do so and jump through hoops on her end to help those students.

i DO understand a need for documentation, i DON&#039;T understand why our school still has &quot;student desks&quot; from the (i swear) 50s or 60s that most &quot;average&quot; size people don&#039;t fit in and  i don&#039;t think ANYONE fits in comfortably. it&#039;s insane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS the reason i am posting so much in response to this is it&#8217;s something i care about. thankfully my boss is awesome and pro universal design and helps people she doesn&#8217;t have to (such as non-disabled fat students). but i think it sucks that she has to go above and beyond her job to do so and jump through hoops on her end to help those students.</p>
<p>i DO understand a need for documentation, i DON&#8217;T understand why our school still has &#8220;student desks&#8221; from the (i swear) 50s or 60s that most &#8220;average&#8221; size people don&#8217;t fit in and  i don&#8217;t think ANYONE fits in comfortably. it&#8217;s insane.</p>
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		<title>By: Morte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 03:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ricki,

believe it or not students have faked disabilities for the benefit of accommodations. up to and including blindness.

that&#039;s why we have to have &quot;a bunch of doctor&#039;s notes&quot;

sucks 8(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ricki,</p>
<p>believe it or not students have faked disabilities for the benefit of accommodations. up to and including blindness.</p>
<p>that&#8217;s why we have to have &#8220;a bunch of doctor&#8217;s notes&#8221;</p>
<p>sucks 8(</p>
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		<title>By: ricki</title>
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		<dc:creator>ricki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 01:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a college prof. I&#039;ve regularly had people in my classes (both people-of-size and also people with various disabilities like back issues) who required special chairs. On my campus, all it takes is a phone call to the Office of Student Services (or to Disability Concerns) and that afternoon, the nice people from one of those offices shows up with the right kind of chair. Problem solved. (There&#039;s also a note on the back of the chair, saying something like, &quot;There is a particular student in this class who NEEDS this chair for a reason. If you are not that student, don&#039;t be a dillweed and take this chair.&quot; OK, it doesn&#039;t say &quot;dillweed,&quot; but that&#039;s the general tone of the note.)

Also, in my department, when we moved to a new building, the faculty specifically asked for long tables with *separate* upholstered chairs (and we ordered several for each classroom that were bigger, just to be prepared). 

I think those seat-chair-all-attached combos are uncomfortable for a lot of people, not just bigger folks. 

I think it depends greatly on the school how &quot;friendly&quot; the campus is to people who might need things arranged a little differently. It may help to ask around when you&#039;re visiting a school (or do a little online research when you&#039;re first looking) to find a place that won&#039;t make you jump through massive hoops just to get a different chair. 

(Seriously? If I taught at a campus that made it that hard? I&#039;d go to an office supply store and BUY a couple of the damn chairs, and keep them in my office or lab and roll them out as needed. Because going to college with some kind of disability or just being &quot;different&quot; is hard enough without having some bureaucratic office tell you that you can&#039;t get the help you need without a bunch of doctor&#039;s notes.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a college prof. I&#8217;ve regularly had people in my classes (both people-of-size and also people with various disabilities like back issues) who required special chairs. On my campus, all it takes is a phone call to the Office of Student Services (or to Disability Concerns) and that afternoon, the nice people from one of those offices shows up with the right kind of chair. Problem solved. (There&#8217;s also a note on the back of the chair, saying something like, &#8220;There is a particular student in this class who NEEDS this chair for a reason. If you are not that student, don&#8217;t be a dillweed and take this chair.&#8221; OK, it doesn&#8217;t say &#8220;dillweed,&#8221; but that&#8217;s the general tone of the note.)</p>
<p>Also, in my department, when we moved to a new building, the faculty specifically asked for long tables with *separate* upholstered chairs (and we ordered several for each classroom that were bigger, just to be prepared). </p>
<p>I think those seat-chair-all-attached combos are uncomfortable for a lot of people, not just bigger folks. </p>
<p>I think it depends greatly on the school how &#8220;friendly&#8221; the campus is to people who might need things arranged a little differently. It may help to ask around when you&#8217;re visiting a school (or do a little online research when you&#8217;re first looking) to find a place that won&#8217;t make you jump through massive hoops just to get a different chair. </p>
<p>(Seriously? If I taught at a campus that made it that hard? I&#8217;d go to an office supply store and BUY a couple of the damn chairs, and keep them in my office or lab and roll them out as needed. Because going to college with some kind of disability or just being &#8220;different&#8221; is hard enough without having some bureaucratic office tell you that you can&#8217;t get the help you need without a bunch of doctor&#8217;s notes.)</p>
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		<title>By: Morte</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/06/16/ask-aunt-fattie-can-i-ask-my-school-to-provide-bigger-chairs/#comment-58405</link>
		<dc:creator>Morte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tal,

As a DSS employee we have to have EVERY student, even those with obvious disabilities (in a wheelchair?  service dog? yup gotta have the documentation) provide documentation. We can get into big trouble if we don&#039;t.  We have to prove and prove and prove what we do in our office and fight for every dime we get, so we HAVE to follow policy and procedure with every student or risk losing funding.

We *will* fax our form to students&#039; healthcare provider so they don&#039;t have to pay for a doctor&#039;s visit. Cuz paying 25.00 or whatever to get a form filled out would suck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tal,</p>
<p>As a DSS employee we have to have EVERY student, even those with obvious disabilities (in a wheelchair?  service dog? yup gotta have the documentation) provide documentation. We can get into big trouble if we don&#8217;t.  We have to prove and prove and prove what we do in our office and fight for every dime we get, so we HAVE to follow policy and procedure with every student or risk losing funding.</p>
<p>We *will* fax our form to students&#8217; healthcare provider so they don&#8217;t have to pay for a doctor&#8217;s visit. Cuz paying 25.00 or whatever to get a form filled out would suck.</p>
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		<title>By: fillyjonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>fillyjonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What is disabling is our environment, our culture and not our bodies, no matter what they look like or how they function.&lt;/i&gt;

Nicely put.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What is disabling is our environment, our culture and not our bodies, no matter what they look like or how they function.</i></p>
<p>Nicely put.</p>
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		<title>By: sgabto</title>
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		<dc:creator>sgabto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surprised no one has mentioned Elizabeth Fisher&#039;s website, ifisher.com.  Besides her activist work with getting car makers to supply seat belt extenders, she also has worked on creating resources for the fat college student.  Check out  &#039;School&#039;s In&#039; on ifisher.com for more information about classroom seating and other issues.

I&#039;m glad to see that people are starting to be receptive in fat activist circles to the way that disability rights activists frame disability.  I&#039;ve often wondered why fat activists have been as resistant to look at the utility of linking fat and disability using a crip pride theory, as many people outside of fat activism have been about reclaiming &#039;fat&#039; as the preferred term for fat people over &#039;obese&#039;, or accepting HAES, for example.

What is disabling is our environment, our culture and not our bodies, no matter what they look like or how they function.  Fat people can understand that just as well as more traditional &#039;disabled&#039; people, and so I hope to see more fat activists willing to question the reasons why so many of us are scared of the word &#039;disabled,&#039; when disabled people are trying to resignify the meaning of &#039;disabilty&#039; in the same way that we are trying to resignify &#039;fat,&#039; &#039;overweight,&#039; and &#039;obese.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surprised no one has mentioned Elizabeth Fisher&#8217;s website, ifisher.com.  Besides her activist work with getting car makers to supply seat belt extenders, she also has worked on creating resources for the fat college student.  Check out  &#8216;School&#8217;s In&#8217; on ifisher.com for more information about classroom seating and other issues.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to see that people are starting to be receptive in fat activist circles to the way that disability rights activists frame disability.  I&#8217;ve often wondered why fat activists have been as resistant to look at the utility of linking fat and disability using a crip pride theory, as many people outside of fat activism have been about reclaiming &#8216;fat&#8217; as the preferred term for fat people over &#8216;obese&#8217;, or accepting HAES, for example.</p>
<p>What is disabling is our environment, our culture and not our bodies, no matter what they look like or how they function.  Fat people can understand that just as well as more traditional &#8216;disabled&#8217; people, and so I hope to see more fat activists willing to question the reasons why so many of us are scared of the word &#8216;disabled,&#8217; when disabled people are trying to resignify the meaning of &#8216;disabilty&#8217; in the same way that we are trying to resignify &#8216;fat,&#8217; &#8216;overweight,&#8217; and &#8216;obese.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: eac</title>
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		<dc:creator>eac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 02:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colleen, I was excited by that too!  I&#039;m a lawyer.  I am attracted to law because I like to write and think deeply about abstract and practical matters.  (Why is this the way it is and how can we make it better).  Those are also the reasons I am attracted to this community.  The level of discourse here is so high - posts and comments combined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colleen, I was excited by that too!  I&#8217;m a lawyer.  I am attracted to law because I like to write and think deeply about abstract and practical matters.  (Why is this the way it is and how can we make it better).  Those are also the reasons I am attracted to this community.  The level of discourse here is so high &#8211; posts and comments combined.</p>
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		<title>By: Tal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 01:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just finished my second degree--going back to school 10 years after my first!

My first class, at a local community college, wasn&#039;t half bad. The classroom was filled with those horrid little desk/chair combos, and I absolutely couldn&#039;t fit in at all. But a quick call to the Disability Resources office fixed the problem with no fuss at all. 

And then I went on to university...

Holy craptaters, what a nightmare. The disability resources office flat REFUSED to have facilities bring a separate desk and chair into my classrooms because... get this... they only serve people with medically documented disabilities. In other words, I would have had to go to my doc and get her to write a note that says, &quot;Yep, my patient is fat. Please get her a desk that she can fit in.&quot; 

And even that probably wouldn&#039;t have worked, though, because their definition of a disability is something that &quot;substantially limits one or more major life activities.&quot; Apparently, being able to sit in a classroom isn&#039;t considered a major life activity. 

After a couple of months of trying to get them to take care of me, I gave up. But I did find a solution. 

What I did--and what was surprisingly easy--was to make friends with my department&#039;s office manager--the one who does the classroom assignments for each term, and who is herself a big gal--and made sure she put all of my classes in the new classrooms that had better seating--either row seating with foldaway desks, or separate tables/chairs.

I only had one class that this didn&#039;t work in, and the chairs there were juuuuust big enough for me to manage to squeeze into. I was bruised at the end of every class, but I got through it.

If I had to do this again, though, I probably would go to a different school--a smaller one, perhaps, where the bureaucracy behind getting a chair moved from one classroom to another wasn&#039;t so bizarre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished my second degree&#8211;going back to school 10 years after my first!</p>
<p>My first class, at a local community college, wasn&#8217;t half bad. The classroom was filled with those horrid little desk/chair combos, and I absolutely couldn&#8217;t fit in at all. But a quick call to the Disability Resources office fixed the problem with no fuss at all. </p>
<p>And then I went on to university&#8230;</p>
<p>Holy craptaters, what a nightmare. The disability resources office flat REFUSED to have facilities bring a separate desk and chair into my classrooms because&#8230; get this&#8230; they only serve people with medically documented disabilities. In other words, I would have had to go to my doc and get her to write a note that says, &#8220;Yep, my patient is fat. Please get her a desk that she can fit in.&#8221; </p>
<p>And even that probably wouldn&#8217;t have worked, though, because their definition of a disability is something that &#8220;substantially limits one or more major life activities.&#8221; Apparently, being able to sit in a classroom isn&#8217;t considered a major life activity. </p>
<p>After a couple of months of trying to get them to take care of me, I gave up. But I did find a solution. </p>
<p>What I did&#8211;and what was surprisingly easy&#8211;was to make friends with my department&#8217;s office manager&#8211;the one who does the classroom assignments for each term, and who is herself a big gal&#8211;and made sure she put all of my classes in the new classrooms that had better seating&#8211;either row seating with foldaway desks, or separate tables/chairs.</p>
<p>I only had one class that this didn&#8217;t work in, and the chairs there were juuuuust big enough for me to manage to squeeze into. I was bruised at the end of every class, but I got through it.</p>
<p>If I had to do this again, though, I probably would go to a different school&#8211;a smaller one, perhaps, where the bureaucracy behind getting a chair moved from one classroom to another wasn&#8217;t so bizarre.</p>
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