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		<title>By: Em</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/04/08/open-thread/#comment-51305</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been in Cardiology for a few weeks during med school, where the medical team made it their goal to scare &lt;i&gt;everyone&lt;/i&gt; into losing weight. Because the most sensible step for someone recovering from cardial surgery is constant hunger and intense exercise.

The procedure was to look people up and down, label them &quot;obese&quot; and put them on a 1200 calories a day, stat. I saw several men who had BMIs of 22 or so, but were labeled &quot;obese&quot; because some 26 year old cardio resident thought they looked like they could lose a little weight around the belly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been in Cardiology for a few weeks during med school, where the medical team made it their goal to scare <i>everyone</i> into losing weight. Because the most sensible step for someone recovering from cardial surgery is constant hunger and intense exercise.</p>
<p>The procedure was to look people up and down, label them &#8220;obese&#8221; and put them on a 1200 calories a day, stat. I saw several men who had BMIs of 22 or so, but were labeled &#8220;obese&#8221; because some 26 year old cardio resident thought they looked like they could lose a little weight around the belly.</p>
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		<title>By: Substantia Jones</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/04/08/open-thread/#comment-51159</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[*Substantia raises her hand, no easy feat since my arm may well be as big around as Posh Spice&#039;s waist*

Fodder for discussion?  Scarlet Magazine&#039;s anti-fatism petition.

The UK mainstream women&#039;s mag is royally cheesed off at the prevalence of fat folks being demeaned on TV.  You&#039;ll need to hold your nose through the fatties-gonna-die stuff, but I believe their hearts are in the right place.

The editorial is here: http://www.scarletmagazine.co.uk/fatism.pdf

The petition is linked on the main page, below the welcome: http://www.scarletmagazine.co.uk 

Forgive me if this info has been posted elsewhere already.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Substantia raises her hand, no easy feat since my arm may well be as big around as Posh Spice&#8217;s waist*</p>
<p>Fodder for discussion?  Scarlet Magazine&#8217;s anti-fatism petition.</p>
<p>The UK mainstream women&#8217;s mag is royally cheesed off at the prevalence of fat folks being demeaned on TV.  You&#8217;ll need to hold your nose through the fatties-gonna-die stuff, but I believe their hearts are in the right place.</p>
<p>The editorial is here: <a href="http://www.scarletmagazine.co.uk/fatism.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.scarletmagazine.co.uk/fatism.pdf</a></p>
<p>The petition is linked on the main page, below the welcome: <a href="http://www.scarletmagazine.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.scarletmagazine.co.uk</a> </p>
<p>Forgive me if this info has been posted elsewhere already.</p>
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		<title>By: Risha</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/04/08/open-thread/#comment-51125</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 02:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Colleen (but not prettypear Colleen) - Heh, &quot;flat-ass crazy&quot;. I need to use that sometime. 

It was particularly crazy because she had severe issues with her digestive system already, which have landed her in the hospital for several days at least yearly for the last few years. I have NO idea what kind of irresponsible doctor agreed to put that thing in. I hope that the damage is correctable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Colleen (but not prettypear Colleen) &#8211; Heh, &#8220;flat-ass crazy&#8221;. I need to use that sometime. </p>
<p>It was particularly crazy because she had severe issues with her digestive system already, which have landed her in the hospital for several days at least yearly for the last few years. I have NO idea what kind of irresponsible doctor agreed to put that thing in. I hope that the damage is correctable.</p>
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		<title>By: fillyjonk</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/04/08/open-thread/#comment-51052</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Meowser, not your fault that pigs get published.  At least you did a great job taking it on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meowser, not your fault that pigs get published.  At least you did a great job taking it on.</p>
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		<title>By: Colleen (but not prettypear Colleen)</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/04/08/open-thread/#comment-51050</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@lapidary:
I&#039;ve told this story here before, but I had a fairly recent health care encounter where a nurse practitioner told me over the phone that I should lose weight, and then said to me, &quot;You are overweight, right? I don&#039;t have your chart here in front of me.&quot; So I totally feel you on the health care people apparently thinking that all people, regardless of actual situation, should be trying to lose weight. 

I&#039;m sorry you had to go through that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@lapidary:<br />
I&#8217;ve told this story here before, but I had a fairly recent health care encounter where a nurse practitioner told me over the phone that I should lose weight, and then said to me, &#8220;You are overweight, right? I don&#8217;t have your chart here in front of me.&#8221; So I totally feel you on the health care people apparently thinking that all people, regardless of actual situation, should be trying to lose weight. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry you had to go through that.</p>
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		<title>By: lapidary</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/04/08/open-thread/#comment-51035</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, I just went to the doctor&#039;s office for the yearly girlie appt, and the minion that you see before you see the doc took my weight (176) but not my height (5&#039;11&quot;)  The doc came in and went over the results and brought up my weight as &quot;a little high&quot;.  

Dudes, I don&#039;t even know what to say.  Yeah, BMI is a stupid, back-asswards number that has fuck-all to do with health, but apparently some docs are shifting to a system of considering your weight as a number independent of your height, and arbitrarily deciding whether you&#039;re &quot;too heavy&quot; or not, without even freaking looking at you, or knowing the first thing about your history.

I had brought The Beauty Myth as waiting room reading material, and considered pressing it on her as a parting gift.  Next time I&#039;ll bring Susan Bordo instead.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I just went to the doctor&#8217;s office for the yearly girlie appt, and the minion that you see before you see the doc took my weight (176) but not my height (5&#8217;11&#8243;)  The doc came in and went over the results and brought up my weight as &#8220;a little high&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Dudes, I don&#8217;t even know what to say.  Yeah, BMI is a stupid, back-asswards number that has fuck-all to do with health, but apparently some docs are shifting to a system of considering your weight as a number independent of your height, and arbitrarily deciding whether you&#8217;re &#8220;too heavy&#8221; or not, without even freaking looking at you, or knowing the first thing about your history.</p>
<p>I had brought The Beauty Myth as waiting room reading material, and considered pressing it on her as a parting gift.  Next time I&#8217;ll bring Susan Bordo instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Colleen (but not prettypear Colleen)</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/04/08/open-thread/#comment-51032</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Colleen (but not prettypear Colleen)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Risha
5&#039;6&quot; and 200 pounds and she got a lap-band?? That is crazy. Just flat-ass crazy. I&#039;m 5&#039;7&quot; and weigh 240 and I can&#039;t even imagine it. 

I hope she&#039;s able to get the help she needs in recovering, because you&#039;re right, it sounds like something went very wrong in her surgery.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Risha<br />
5&#8217;6&#8243; and 200 pounds and she got a lap-band?? That is crazy. Just flat-ass crazy. I&#8217;m 5&#8217;7&#8243; and weigh 240 and I can&#8217;t even imagine it. </p>
<p>I hope she&#8217;s able to get the help she needs in recovering, because you&#8217;re right, it sounds like something went very wrong in her surgery.</p>
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		<title>By: rhiain</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marste, I think Danskos do run a bit wide. A friend of mine who generally wears normal width shoes has to go narrow, at least for their clog style.

Zappos carries them, so that&#039;s an easy return process if it doesn&#039;t work out. They tend to be sold at decent shoe stores, too, where the employees are trained on how to fit shoes well and will actually, like, assist you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marste, I think Danskos do run a bit wide. A friend of mine who generally wears normal width shoes has to go narrow, at least for their clog style.</p>
<p>Zappos carries them, so that&#8217;s an easy return process if it doesn&#8217;t work out. They tend to be sold at decent shoe stores, too, where the employees are trained on how to fit shoes well and will actually, like, assist you.</p>
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		<title>By: Risha</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/04/08/open-thread/#comment-51029</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Colleen (but not prettypear Colleen) - I was appalled last summer to hear that my step-mother had gotten a lap-band, when I doubt that she was even 200 pounds at the time. (She&#039;s about 5&#039; 6&quot; or so.) It was well before I found the sphereosphere, but I still found it crazy that a doctor had agreed to do that to her and insurance had paid for it. 

I don&#039;t see her much (we don&#039;t get along for unrelated reasons), so I was very surprised when I saw her at my father&#039;s funeral in February. Her stomach had swollen to probably two or three times the size of the last time I had seen her, and her face was only slightly heavier. It must have gone horribly wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Colleen (but not prettypear Colleen) &#8211; I was appalled last summer to hear that my step-mother had gotten a lap-band, when I doubt that she was even 200 pounds at the time. (She&#8217;s about 5&#8242; 6&#8243; or so.) It was well before I found the sphereosphere, but I still found it crazy that a doctor had agreed to do that to her and insurance had paid for it. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see her much (we don&#8217;t get along for unrelated reasons), so I was very surprised when I saw her at my father&#8217;s funeral in February. Her stomach had swollen to probably two or three times the size of the last time I had seen her, and her face was only slightly heavier. It must have gone horribly wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Colleen (but not prettypear Colleen)</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/04/08/open-thread/#comment-51024</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Colleen (but not prettypear Colleen)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;How about we discuss this series of truly appalling ads for a bariatric surgery center &lt;/i&gt;

While we&#039;re at it, can we discuss how much the rash of ads for the lap-band on my t.v. lately have been pissing me off? Seriously, it&#039;s like every other commercial, and I am fucking sick of it. It&#039;s the commercial where they have people (who are not even that fat!) talking about how if they lost the weight, they could do all these things, like fly more often and shop for clothes, and it makes me want to mail all of them Kate&#039;s post on The Fantasy of Being Thin. Also, it makes me want to punch the motherfuckers who think that it&#039;s cool to make people a bunch of false promises about how awesome their lives will be to get them to agree to unnecessary, dangerous surgery. Assholes.

Oh, and also? Dan Marino? It pains me to say this, because I respect and admire both your tremendous athletic accomplishments and your work for raising autism awareness and services for children with neuro-developmental disorders, but STFU. You are a former professional athlete. The fact that you gained a few pounds and then lost them on NutriSystem  has no bearing whatsoever on, like, 95% of the population. Seriously, stop embarrassing yourself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How about we discuss this series of truly appalling ads for a bariatric surgery center </i></p>
<p>While we&#8217;re at it, can we discuss how much the rash of ads for the lap-band on my t.v. lately have been pissing me off? Seriously, it&#8217;s like every other commercial, and I am fucking sick of it. It&#8217;s the commercial where they have people (who are not even that fat!) talking about how if they lost the weight, they could do all these things, like fly more often and shop for clothes, and it makes me want to mail all of them Kate&#8217;s post on The Fantasy of Being Thin. Also, it makes me want to punch the motherfuckers who think that it&#8217;s cool to make people a bunch of false promises about how awesome their lives will be to get them to agree to unnecessary, dangerous surgery. Assholes.</p>
<p>Oh, and also? Dan Marino? It pains me to say this, because I respect and admire both your tremendous athletic accomplishments and your work for raising autism awareness and services for children with neuro-developmental disorders, but STFU. You are a former professional athlete. The fact that you gained a few pounds and then lost them on NutriSystem  has no bearing whatsoever on, like, 95% of the population. Seriously, stop embarrassing yourself.</p>
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