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	<title>Comments on: Quick hit: Feminists hate women slightly less than nonfeminists do</title>
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		<title>By: Jackie</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/26/quick-hit-feminists-hate-women-less-than-nonfeminists-do/#comment-48910</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hypocrisy ahoy! All abord the good ship Hypocrisy! Toot-toot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hypocrisy ahoy! All abord the good ship Hypocrisy! Toot-toot!</p>
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		<title>By: AnnieMcPhee</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/26/quick-hit-feminists-hate-women-less-than-nonfeminists-do/#comment-48865</link>
		<dc:creator>AnnieMcPhee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Annie, I get what you’re saying here, but privileging the va-va-voom hourglass shape isn’t any better than privileging extreme thinness. Everyone’s beautiful to someone, and attraction is totally subjective. So that’s a whole OTHER issue I have with this study&quot;

Oh I know; it just boggles my mind that they can&#039;t see beauty in other forms than just the one, when there are so many examples - that&#039;s why I mentioned all the different types that have been seen as culturally beautiful over time - from fat, to hourglass, to thin, to really thin.   Can&#039;t they see there&#039;s beauty in all of them or something?

I probably said it wrong, but then I often do.   It wasn&#039;t a &quot;real women have curves&quot; kind of remark, honest.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Annie, I get what you’re saying here, but privileging the va-va-voom hourglass shape isn’t any better than privileging extreme thinness. Everyone’s beautiful to someone, and attraction is totally subjective. So that’s a whole OTHER issue I have with this study&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh I know; it just boggles my mind that they can&#8217;t see beauty in other forms than just the one, when there are so many examples &#8211; that&#8217;s why I mentioned all the different types that have been seen as culturally beautiful over time &#8211; from fat, to hourglass, to thin, to really thin.   Can&#8217;t they see there&#8217;s beauty in all of them or something?</p>
<p>I probably said it wrong, but then I often do.   It wasn&#8217;t a &#8220;real women have curves&#8221; kind of remark, honest.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Meowser</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/26/quick-hit-feminists-hate-women-less-than-nonfeminists-do/#comment-48818</link>
		<dc:creator>Meowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Okay, I actually wrote something about this for Broadsheet yesterday, but it didn’t get posted.&lt;/em&gt;

You have a gig at Broadsheet now?  Shit, if they&#039;re smart enough to hire you, I might re-up with Salon after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Okay, I actually wrote something about this for Broadsheet yesterday, but it didn’t get posted.</em></p>
<p>You have a gig at Broadsheet now?  Shit, if they&#8217;re smart enough to hire you, I might re-up with Salon after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Linz</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/26/quick-hit-feminists-hate-women-less-than-nonfeminists-do/#comment-48817</link>
		<dc:creator>Linz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, then try to be beheld by a feminist.&quot;

Amazingly awkward alliteration is in the eye of the beholder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, then try to be beheld by a feminist.&#8221;</p>
<p>Amazingly awkward alliteration is in the eye of the beholder.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Big difference if you’re choosing “attractive to me” vs “attractive as far as what I’ve been told is attractive.”&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s pretty much what I was going to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Big difference if you’re choosing “attractive to me” vs “attractive as far as what I’ve been told is attractive.”</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s pretty much what I was going to say.</p>
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		<title>By: kristin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kristin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for some reason, the article won&#039;t open for me. 

But, SM, I found that reading SP and playing super mario galxay were the best ways to study for orals.  So put down the NYT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for some reason, the article won&#8217;t open for me. </p>
<p>But, SM, I found that reading SP and playing super mario galxay were the best ways to study for orals.  So put down the NYT.</p>
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		<title>By: Memo to MeMe Roth: This is why fat is a feminist issue &#187; The-F-Word.org</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/26/quick-hit-feminists-hate-women-less-than-nonfeminists-do/#comment-48809</link>
		<dc:creator>Memo to MeMe Roth: This is why fat is a feminist issue &#187; The-F-Word.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] inclusion of feminism in my platform, perhaps you should start with this New York Times article (h/t Sweetmachine).  A new study finds that women who describe themselves as feminists are more [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] inclusion of feminism in my platform, perhaps you should start with this New York Times article (h/t Sweetmachine).  A new study finds that women who describe themselves as feminists are more [...]</p>
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		<title>By: fillyjonk</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/26/quick-hit-feminists-hate-women-less-than-nonfeminists-do/#comment-48806</link>
		<dc:creator>fillyjonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, my FIRST thought was &quot;maybe feminists are more likely to actually be attracted to women.&quot;  (More likely, people who are attracted to women are more likely to be feminists, but either one could skew the results.)  Big difference if you&#039;re choosing &quot;attractive to me&quot; vs &quot;attractive as far as what I&#039;ve been told is attractive.&quot;

Basically, the study is problematic.  Also, it didn&#039;t show what the headline says.  But isn&#039;t it funny that the misrepresented media analysis of a flawed study actually turns out to be a big duh?  Maybe two wrongs do make a right. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, my FIRST thought was &#8220;maybe feminists are more likely to actually be attracted to women.&#8221;  (More likely, people who are attracted to women are more likely to be feminists, but either one could skew the results.)  Big difference if you&#8217;re choosing &#8220;attractive to me&#8221; vs &#8220;attractive as far as what I&#8217;ve been told is attractive.&#8221;</p>
<p>Basically, the study is problematic.  Also, it didn&#8217;t show what the headline says.  But isn&#8217;t it funny that the misrepresented media analysis of a flawed study actually turns out to be a big duh?  Maybe two wrongs do make a right. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Jae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But here’s the NYT saying explicitly that women believe the ideal body type is underweight–with no acknowledgment that that body type only occurs naturally in a tiny percentage of women, and for most, trying to achieve it DOES pose health risks. Meanwhile, you know that if the subjects had favored someone built like (the still quite slim) Sophia Loren, we’d be hearing that it means “fat” is acceptable, and we’re all gonna die because of it.&lt;/i&gt;

Exactly!

In my younger and more vulnerable years, one of my (many) justifications for my disordered eating was that regardless of the risks of malnutrition, they were surely less than (or at the most equal to) the risks that &quot;everyone&quot;  knew were associated with being fat.  

While I doubt that knowing the dangers associated with persuing a body type that doesn&#039;t come naturally to you would have dissuaded me, it certainly couldn&#039;t have hurt me to have that knowledge.  But it seems we only care about informing people if they might die from something that isn&#039;t hawt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But here’s the NYT saying explicitly that women believe the ideal body type is underweight–with no acknowledgment that that body type only occurs naturally in a tiny percentage of women, and for most, trying to achieve it DOES pose health risks. Meanwhile, you know that if the subjects had favored someone built like (the still quite slim) Sophia Loren, we’d be hearing that it means “fat” is acceptable, and we’re all gonna die because of it.</i></p>
<p>Exactly!</p>
<p>In my younger and more vulnerable years, one of my (many) justifications for my disordered eating was that regardless of the risks of malnutrition, they were surely less than (or at the most equal to) the risks that &#8220;everyone&#8221;  knew were associated with being fat.  </p>
<p>While I doubt that knowing the dangers associated with persuing a body type that doesn&#8217;t come naturally to you would have dissuaded me, it certainly couldn&#8217;t have hurt me to have that knowledge.  But it seems we only care about informing people if they might die from something that isn&#8217;t hawt.</p>
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		<title>By: kateharding</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/26/quick-hit-feminists-hate-women-less-than-nonfeminists-do/#comment-48796</link>
		<dc:creator>kateharding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;As a feminist, I’d find a study where I had to put the label “attractive” or “unattractive’ on a faceless woman totally anti-feminist to begin with.&lt;/i&gt;

Amen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As a feminist, I’d find a study where I had to put the label “attractive” or “unattractive’ on a faceless woman totally anti-feminist to begin with.</i></p>
<p>Amen.</p>
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