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		<title>By: Meowser</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/26/massachusetts-hearing-round-up/#comment-48850</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Oh, don’t be so sure. There are a WHOLE lot of secular progressives who have no qualms about telling religious people they’re stupid/delusional/actively supporting a hateful institution, etc. &lt;/em&gt;

Yeah, and I always want to tell -- okay, DARE -- those people to walk into an AA or NA meeting, preferably one in a rough neighborhood, and stand up and tell all the people there that they&#039;re stupid to believe in a Higher Power and that they&#039;d be better off drinking and using again than believing in a &quot;sky fairy.&quot;  I&#039;d actually PAY to watch what happens.  (They tend to be the same kind of people who assume there&#039;s no such thing as an atheist who&#039;s libertarian or conservative.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Oh, don’t be so sure. There are a WHOLE lot of secular progressives who have no qualms about telling religious people they’re stupid/delusional/actively supporting a hateful institution, etc. </em></p>
<p>Yeah, and I always want to tell &#8212; okay, DARE &#8212; those people to walk into an AA or NA meeting, preferably one in a rough neighborhood, and stand up and tell all the people there that they&#8217;re stupid to believe in a Higher Power and that they&#8217;d be better off drinking and using again than believing in a &#8220;sky fairy.&#8221;  I&#8217;d actually PAY to watch what happens.  (They tend to be the same kind of people who assume there&#8217;s no such thing as an atheist who&#8217;s libertarian or conservative.)</p>
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		<title>By: kateharding</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/26/massachusetts-hearing-round-up/#comment-48847</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;It would never occur to a reasonable, thoughtful, non-Inquisitor human to say “if you don’t like how I’m treating you, why don’t you just stop being Jewish?”&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, don&#039;t be so sure. There are a WHOLE lot of secular progressives who have no qualms about telling religious people they&#039;re stupid/delusional/actively supporting a hateful institution, etc. Otherwise reasonable, thoughtful people, just like the otherwise reasonable, thoughtful people who have no qualms about trashing fatties. The attitude of, &quot;You are wrong, and I&#039;m under no obligation to take you seriously until you understand that you&#039;re wrong&quot; is actually pretty damn prevalent in some liberal circles, when it comes to religious folks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It would never occur to a reasonable, thoughtful, non-Inquisitor human to say “if you don’t like how I’m treating you, why don’t you just stop being Jewish?”</i></p>
<p>Oh, don&#8217;t be so sure. There are a WHOLE lot of secular progressives who have no qualms about telling religious people they&#8217;re stupid/delusional/actively supporting a hateful institution, etc. Otherwise reasonable, thoughtful people, just like the otherwise reasonable, thoughtful people who have no qualms about trashing fatties. The attitude of, &#8220;You are wrong, and I&#8217;m under no obligation to take you seriously until you understand that you&#8217;re wrong&#8221; is actually pretty damn prevalent in some liberal circles, when it comes to religious folks.</p>
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		<title>By: Dani</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/26/massachusetts-hearing-round-up/#comment-48846</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fat is a choice?  So...how do I get fat?  Because I tried that whole &quot;eat 3500 calories a day of mostly fried and chocolate junk and never exercise&quot; thing, and it totally didn&#039;t work.

...I have nothing useful to contribute.  I change my religion more often than I change my shoes.  :P]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fat is a choice?  So&#8230;how do I get fat?  Because I tried that whole &#8220;eat 3500 calories a day of mostly fried and chocolate junk and never exercise&#8221; thing, and it totally didn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>&#8230;I have nothing useful to contribute.  I change my religion more often than I change my shoes.  :P</p>
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		<title>By: fillyjonk</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/26/massachusetts-hearing-round-up/#comment-48832</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;It’s not that easy to just change everything you believe in because you’re being discriminated against, same as it’s not that easy to choose not to be fat.&lt;/i&gt;

And nobody would ask you to.  (Well, somebody probably would but they would be a blazing asshole.)  It would never occur to a reasonable, thoughtful, non-Inquisitor human to say &quot;if you don&#039;t like how I&#039;m treating you, why don&#039;t you just stop being Jewish?&quot;  Sure, it&#039;s theoretically possible, but &lt;i&gt;it&#039;s not my responsibility to change who I am in order to make you stop discriminating against me&lt;/i&gt;.  It&#039;s your responsibility to stop being a bigot.  At least, it is in those cases where people are protected by law.

And yet we still see otherwise progressive, reasonable people saying &quot;well if they don&#039;t like being persecuted I don&#039;t see why they don&#039;t just stop being fat [at me].&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It’s not that easy to just change everything you believe in because you’re being discriminated against, same as it’s not that easy to choose not to be fat.</i></p>
<p>And nobody would ask you to.  (Well, somebody probably would but they would be a blazing asshole.)  It would never occur to a reasonable, thoughtful, non-Inquisitor human to say &#8220;if you don&#8217;t like how I&#8217;m treating you, why don&#8217;t you just stop being Jewish?&#8221;  Sure, it&#8217;s theoretically possible, but <i>it&#8217;s not my responsibility to change who I am in order to make you stop discriminating against me</i>.  It&#8217;s your responsibility to stop being a bigot.  At least, it is in those cases where people are protected by law.</p>
<p>And yet we still see otherwise progressive, reasonable people saying &#8220;well if they don&#8217;t like being persecuted I don&#8217;t see why they don&#8217;t just stop being fat [at me].&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Meowser</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/26/massachusetts-hearing-round-up/#comment-48831</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, I don&#039;t advocate it when it comes to religion at all, don&#039;t get me wrong.  But if &quot;mutability&quot; IS the issue, he&#039;s got it backwards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I don&#8217;t advocate it when it comes to religion at all, don&#8217;t get me wrong.  But if &#8220;mutability&#8221; IS the issue, he&#8217;s got it backwards.</p>
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		<title>By: fillyjonk</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/26/massachusetts-hearing-round-up/#comment-48830</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Becky, right, I think that&#039;s the idea -- sometimes things you choose and could theoretically change are still protected under law.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Becky, right, I think that&#8217;s the idea &#8212; sometimes things you choose and could theoretically change are still protected under law.</p>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/26/massachusetts-hearing-round-up/#comment-48829</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Becky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; Like that’s exactly the same thing as tucking your cross into your blouse at work.&lt;/i&gt;

Ehh, we (liberals) don&#039;t accept the mentality of: &quot;If you don&#039;t want to be discriminated against, just hide who you are&quot; when it comes to homosexuality, why should we advocate it when it comes to religion?  I do think religion is more of a choice than being fat, but as far as discrimination goes, I don&#039;t think it matters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Like that’s exactly the same thing as tucking your cross into your blouse at work.</i></p>
<p>Ehh, we (liberals) don&#8217;t accept the mentality of: &#8220;If you don&#8217;t want to be discriminated against, just hide who you are&#8221; when it comes to homosexuality, why should we advocate it when it comes to religion?  I do think religion is more of a choice than being fat, but as far as discrimination goes, I don&#8217;t think it matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Meowser</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/26/massachusetts-hearing-round-up/#comment-48827</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Meowser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I can&#039;t believe anyone would suggest that religion (and publicly expressing one&#039;s affiliation with same) is &lt;em&gt;immutable&lt;/em&gt;, while being fat is totally voluntary, since all you have to do to not be fat is &lt;em&gt;agree to total starvation and exhaustion if that&#039;s what it takes&lt;/em&gt;.  Like that&#039;s exactly the same thing as tucking your cross into your blouse at work.  GAAAAAH.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I can&#8217;t believe anyone would suggest that religion (and publicly expressing one&#8217;s affiliation with same) is <em>immutable</em>, while being fat is totally voluntary, since all you have to do to not be fat is <em>agree to total starvation and exhaustion if that&#8217;s what it takes</em>.  Like that&#8217;s exactly the same thing as tucking your cross into your blouse at work.  GAAAAAH.</p>
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		<title>By: Pattie</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/26/massachusetts-hearing-round-up/#comment-48824</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like your analogy of religion being a choice same as his saying fat is a choice. It&#039;s not that easy to just change everything  you believe in because you&#039;re being discriminated against, same as it&#039;s not that easy to choose not to be fat.  I think that&#039;s a great argument, one that should be brought up in front of Mr Jones. 
If it was so easy to choose not to be fat do you think the diet industry would be as big as it is today? If people could just make the choice to have Jennifer Aniston&#039;s body don&#039;t you think they would? It makes me angry... I need to stop typing now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your analogy of religion being a choice same as his saying fat is a choice. It&#8217;s not that easy to just change everything  you believe in because you&#8217;re being discriminated against, same as it&#8217;s not that easy to choose not to be fat.  I think that&#8217;s a great argument, one that should be brought up in front of Mr Jones.<br />
If it was so easy to choose not to be fat do you think the diet industry would be as big as it is today? If people could just make the choice to have Jennifer Aniston&#8217;s body don&#8217;t you think they would? It makes me angry&#8230; I need to stop typing now.</p>
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		<title>By: fillyjonk</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/26/massachusetts-hearing-round-up/#comment-48808</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Age, of course, is also totally immutable.  And nobody has every changed their gender.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Age, of course, is also totally immutable.  And nobody has every changed their gender.</p>
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