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	<title>Comments on: Scottish Social Services Set to Take Fat Children from Parents</title>
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		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/25/scottish-social-services-set-to-take-fat-children-from-parents/#comment-49810</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jackie</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/25/scottish-social-services-set-to-take-fat-children-from-parents/#comment-48911</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jackie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not surprised, because I saw this coming down the road when I first heard about children being taken away from their homes for eating.

If it&#039;s not a real life horror film I don&#039;t know what is. So if let&#039;s say Freddy Kruger says &quot;You musn&#039;t eat one bite, or you&#039;ll never see your parents again muwahahaha!&quot; Unlike Freddy, I&#039;m not very good at sarcastic quips about horrifying people. People would say oh that&#039;s horrible, or perhaps a novel idea for a horror film ala Saw films, but still terrible.

So when a government suggests it that&#039;s ok? I mean, we&#039;re talking about psychologicaly getting children to fear food, and well at least they&#039;re not going to be, OMG%$##%%$$%FAT! Starvation is considered torture people.

If I had any directing skills what-so-ever, or know how on how to put a video on YouTube. Yes, I&#039;m completely inept about both things. I&#039;d make a horror film themed protest against these things, and it&#039;d be like this:

(Parent crying on the phone)

Child: What&#039;s wrong?

Parent: They say if you don&#039;t loose the weight, they&#039;re going to send you someplace where they will make you loose the weight. And..I&#039;m not exactly sure when you&#039;ll come home

Child: (flips out hysterically crying and screaming ect)

Parent: I wish there was something I could do but they&#039;re coming to take you away unless you loose the weight.

Some time later, like let&#039;s say a week

Father: You have to eat!

Child: No, I&#039;m never eating again! They&#039;ll take me away! (Screams they&#039;ll take me away over and over again, dramatically)

Then it would say, &quot;What  if someone said, you will be taken to a place, where you may never return from Sent to someplace where they force you to eat just enough food to keep you healthy, but never enough to make you full, because then you might get fat.

Sounds like the latest Hostel or Saw film right? It&#039;s real. They are going to do this to children, because you are considered abusing a child, by letting them eat, even if that means they will be fat. Even the slightest amount of fat a child shows, is considered child abuse by our government.

So what do you feel is more abusive, allowing a child to grow up healthy, without having to obsess over each calorie, each peice of food. Eating healthily until they&#039;re full.

Or sending children to a starvation camp? This is happening right now. Children are being torn away from their parents. Or they are being threatened with the idea that they will be taken away, never to return again. How would you feel if your child came to you, crying, in terror of eating? What if no matter what you would try, they would not eat. The equivelant of sewing their mouths shut. To starve to death.

This is what our government wants to do to our children, so they will not become fat and &quot;unhealthy&quot;. I suppose starvation is healthy now then?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not surprised, because I saw this coming down the road when I first heard about children being taken away from their homes for eating.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s not a real life horror film I don&#8217;t know what is. So if let&#8217;s say Freddy Kruger says &#8220;You musn&#8217;t eat one bite, or you&#8217;ll never see your parents again muwahahaha!&#8221; Unlike Freddy, I&#8217;m not very good at sarcastic quips about horrifying people. People would say oh that&#8217;s horrible, or perhaps a novel idea for a horror film ala Saw films, but still terrible.</p>
<p>So when a government suggests it that&#8217;s ok? I mean, we&#8217;re talking about psychologicaly getting children to fear food, and well at least they&#8217;re not going to be, OMG%$##%%$$%FAT! Starvation is considered torture people.</p>
<p>If I had any directing skills what-so-ever, or know how on how to put a video on YouTube. Yes, I&#8217;m completely inept about both things. I&#8217;d make a horror film themed protest against these things, and it&#8217;d be like this:</p>
<p>(Parent crying on the phone)</p>
<p>Child: What&#8217;s wrong?</p>
<p>Parent: They say if you don&#8217;t loose the weight, they&#8217;re going to send you someplace where they will make you loose the weight. And..I&#8217;m not exactly sure when you&#8217;ll come home</p>
<p>Child: (flips out hysterically crying and screaming ect)</p>
<p>Parent: I wish there was something I could do but they&#8217;re coming to take you away unless you loose the weight.</p>
<p>Some time later, like let&#8217;s say a week</p>
<p>Father: You have to eat!</p>
<p>Child: No, I&#8217;m never eating again! They&#8217;ll take me away! (Screams they&#8217;ll take me away over and over again, dramatically)</p>
<p>Then it would say, &#8220;What  if someone said, you will be taken to a place, where you may never return from Sent to someplace where they force you to eat just enough food to keep you healthy, but never enough to make you full, because then you might get fat.</p>
<p>Sounds like the latest Hostel or Saw film right? It&#8217;s real. They are going to do this to children, because you are considered abusing a child, by letting them eat, even if that means they will be fat. Even the slightest amount of fat a child shows, is considered child abuse by our government.</p>
<p>So what do you feel is more abusive, allowing a child to grow up healthy, without having to obsess over each calorie, each peice of food. Eating healthily until they&#8217;re full.</p>
<p>Or sending children to a starvation camp? This is happening right now. Children are being torn away from their parents. Or they are being threatened with the idea that they will be taken away, never to return again. How would you feel if your child came to you, crying, in terror of eating? What if no matter what you would try, they would not eat. The equivelant of sewing their mouths shut. To starve to death.</p>
<p>This is what our government wants to do to our children, so they will not become fat and &#8220;unhealthy&#8221;. I suppose starvation is healthy now then?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia Fraser</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/25/scottish-social-services-set-to-take-fat-children-from-parents/#comment-48883</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patricia Fraser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Back in the days....when the white old men knew everything, they took Canadian First Nations children away from their parents -- who were &quot;so obviously&quot; unsuitable, and sent them to residential schools.  To be abused, sometimes sexually.  Oh, yes!  let&#039;s do it again!  Because it worked SO WELL before!
We&#039;re all paying for this tragic mistake, but no one more than the children of this idiotic experiment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in the days&#8230;.when the white old men knew everything, they took Canadian First Nations children away from their parents &#8212; who were &#8220;so obviously&#8221; unsuitable, and sent them to residential schools.  To be abused, sometimes sexually.  Oh, yes!  let&#8217;s do it again!  Because it worked SO WELL before!<br />
We&#8217;re all paying for this tragic mistake, but no one more than the children of this idiotic experiment.</p>
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		<title>By: Dani</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/25/scottish-social-services-set-to-take-fat-children-from-parents/#comment-48749</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dani]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;And “letting” your children get fat — as if it’s something all parents can easily control — is “child abuse” tantamount to starving them? &lt;/i&gt;

This is the bit that made my jaw drop.  Because we all know that the &quot;cure&quot; for this &quot;abuse&quot; is going to be...&lt;i&gt;starving them&lt;/i&gt;.  

My desk is not sturdy enough for all the times my head will have to hit it before this makes sense.  Hell, my &lt;i&gt;head&lt;/i&gt; isn&#039;t sturdy enough for that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And “letting” your children get fat — as if it’s something all parents can easily control — is “child abuse” tantamount to starving them? </i></p>
<p>This is the bit that made my jaw drop.  Because we all know that the &#8220;cure&#8221; for this &#8220;abuse&#8221; is going to be&#8230;<i>starving them</i>.  </p>
<p>My desk is not sturdy enough for all the times my head will have to hit it before this makes sense.  Hell, my <i>head</i> isn&#8217;t sturdy enough for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Coco</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/25/scottish-social-services-set-to-take-fat-children-from-parents/#comment-48714</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is utterly horrifying to me. God. Just what we need. More kids removed from their loving homes. For eating! Food! GASP.

And yeah, being under 24 hour surveillance of a &quot;fire &amp; brimstone&quot; team of doctors and nurses, away from your parents &amp; your home, terrorized with the knowledge that you may NEVER get to go home again, THAT won&#039;t cause any lasting psychological harm, of course. Then again, as long as one is THIN, who the hell cares if you have night terrors for the rest of one&#039;s life, right? 

Good God, what&#039;s next? 

Kate, I&#039;d like to link to this post in a post of mine, if it&#039;s all right with you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is utterly horrifying to me. God. Just what we need. More kids removed from their loving homes. For eating! Food! GASP.</p>
<p>And yeah, being under 24 hour surveillance of a &#8220;fire &amp; brimstone&#8221; team of doctors and nurses, away from your parents &amp; your home, terrorized with the knowledge that you may NEVER get to go home again, THAT won&#8217;t cause any lasting psychological harm, of course. Then again, as long as one is THIN, who the hell cares if you have night terrors for the rest of one&#8217;s life, right? </p>
<p>Good God, what&#8217;s next? </p>
<p>Kate, I&#8217;d like to link to this post in a post of mine, if it&#8217;s all right with you.</p>
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		<title>By: sso</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/25/scottish-social-services-set-to-take-fat-children-from-parents/#comment-48685</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sso]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 05:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;We have no hesitation in removing a severely undernourished child from their home. We should be as concerned when they are seriously overweight.&quot;

And of course, that would have nothing to do with the fact that the severely undernourished child is in immediate peril of starving to death, or at least incurring a myriad of physical and neurological developmental delays.  Meanwhile, there are plenty of children and adults whom the medical profession would deem &quot;seriously overweight,&quot; who are just going about their daily lives, fine as can be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We have no hesitation in removing a severely undernourished child from their home. We should be as concerned when they are seriously overweight.&#8221;</p>
<p>And of course, that would have nothing to do with the fact that the severely undernourished child is in immediate peril of starving to death, or at least incurring a myriad of physical and neurological developmental delays.  Meanwhile, there are plenty of children and adults whom the medical profession would deem &#8220;seriously overweight,&#8221; who are just going about their daily lives, fine as can be.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/25/scottish-social-services-set-to-take-fat-children-from-parents/#comment-48672</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cindy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 02:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a part of me that wants to say to the Scottish authorities: Do it. I dare you. Police everything that goes in the kids&#039; mouths 24/7. Then, after the kid is &quot;of age&quot; and no longer a ward of the state, drop in on her.  When she&#039;s 20. 30. 40. If she&#039;s five friggin&#039; pounds overweight on ANY visit, Scotland pays and Scotland pays BIG.

The city I live in is the home of a state school for people with disabilities, many of whom have retardation and Down&#039;s Syndrome. An entire population of fat, cheerful men and women cared for by the state. To this day, we hear about the EVIL people who left children with profound retardation at the state school and never came back. (I am NOT saying I agree with this.)

But if a kid is functional, healhy and !OMGFAT!, pry them away from families who love them and institutionalize them. THAT is MORAL.

Dispicable assholes, indeed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a part of me that wants to say to the Scottish authorities: Do it. I dare you. Police everything that goes in the kids&#8217; mouths 24/7. Then, after the kid is &#8220;of age&#8221; and no longer a ward of the state, drop in on her.  When she&#8217;s 20. 30. 40. If she&#8217;s five friggin&#8217; pounds overweight on ANY visit, Scotland pays and Scotland pays BIG.</p>
<p>The city I live in is the home of a state school for people with disabilities, many of whom have retardation and Down&#8217;s Syndrome. An entire population of fat, cheerful men and women cared for by the state. To this day, we hear about the EVIL people who left children with profound retardation at the state school and never came back. (I am NOT saying I agree with this.)</p>
<p>But if a kid is functional, healhy and !OMGFAT!, pry them away from families who love them and institutionalize them. THAT is MORAL.</p>
<p>Dispicable assholes, indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: AnnieMcPhee</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/25/scottish-social-services-set-to-take-fat-children-from-parents/#comment-48662</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AnnieMcPhee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Missa!   I have to say, kate, that your warning to parents shouldn&#039;t really be tongue-in-cheek - the scariest words in the English language are still and ever have been, &quot;We&#039;re from the government, and we&#039;re here to help.&quot;   Going asking for it is just asking for trouble.   Government help comes with government strings and government punishments, built-in.    Take the message to heart now while there&#039;s time to fight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Missa!   I have to say, kate, that your warning to parents shouldn&#8217;t really be tongue-in-cheek &#8211; the scariest words in the English language are still and ever have been, &#8220;We&#8217;re from the government, and we&#8217;re here to help.&#8221;   Going asking for it is just asking for trouble.   Government help comes with government strings and government punishments, built-in.    Take the message to heart now while there&#8217;s time to fight.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/25/scottish-social-services-set-to-take-fat-children-from-parents/#comment-48660</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(This was my response at Shakesville, too.)

My best friend&#039;s son is the poster child for What Not To Feed Your Kid. She does not cook at all. Ever. She doesn&#039;t know how. (And I have a store of damn funny stories about her few attempts.) From the youngest age her son didn&#039;t ask, &quot;What&#039;s for dinner?&quot; he asked, &quot;Where are we going for dinner?&quot; He literally eats fast food every single day of his life. I doubt he eats more than a dozen servings of fruits or vegetables (which aren&#039;t French Fries) in a year - basically only when he&#039;s visiting his grandparents. He owns every video game system known to man, and spends most of his time indoors, playing games. His only exercise (aside from PE) is a weekly soccer game/practice, and riding his bike around the neighborhood. 

Now why isn&#039;t the state beating down her door, threatening to take her kid away unless she &quot;learns healthy eating habits&quot; or whatever else I&#039;ve seen touted here? Why isn&#039;t she being accused of child abuse? Because her kid isn&#039;t fat. Not even a little bit. He&#039;s built exactly like his dad - a tall, lanky beanpole. And he (and his mother) are white and upper-middle-class. (Mom has 2 Masters degrees and earns a six-figure income.) 

As long as her kid is thin, she could spoon-feed him lard and remain above reproach. The double-standard is sickening.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(This was my response at Shakesville, too.)</p>
<p>My best friend&#8217;s son is the poster child for What Not To Feed Your Kid. She does not cook at all. Ever. She doesn&#8217;t know how. (And I have a store of damn funny stories about her few attempts.) From the youngest age her son didn&#8217;t ask, &#8220;What&#8217;s for dinner?&#8221; he asked, &#8220;Where are we going for dinner?&#8221; He literally eats fast food every single day of his life. I doubt he eats more than a dozen servings of fruits or vegetables (which aren&#8217;t French Fries) in a year &#8211; basically only when he&#8217;s visiting his grandparents. He owns every video game system known to man, and spends most of his time indoors, playing games. His only exercise (aside from PE) is a weekly soccer game/practice, and riding his bike around the neighborhood. </p>
<p>Now why isn&#8217;t the state beating down her door, threatening to take her kid away unless she &#8220;learns healthy eating habits&#8221; or whatever else I&#8217;ve seen touted here? Why isn&#8217;t she being accused of child abuse? Because her kid isn&#8217;t fat. Not even a little bit. He&#8217;s built exactly like his dad &#8211; a tall, lanky beanpole. And he (and his mother) are white and upper-middle-class. (Mom has 2 Masters degrees and earns a six-figure income.) </p>
<p>As long as her kid is thin, she could spoon-feed him lard and remain above reproach. The double-standard is sickening.</p>
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		<title>By: missa</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/25/scottish-social-services-set-to-take-fat-children-from-parents/#comment-48659</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[missa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AnnieMcPhee -- absolutely!  Please, put it anywhere and everywhere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AnnieMcPhee &#8212; absolutely!  Please, put it anywhere and everywhere.</p>
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