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		<title>By: An astounding confluence of oppressions in forty seconds &#171; Zero at the Bone</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/24/giving-a-shit/#comment-80330</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[An astounding confluence of oppressions in forty seconds &#171; Zero at the Bone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 07:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] of Color and the Fat Acceptance Movement at Fatshionista! fillyjonk’s response to the above post: Giving a shit at Shapely Prose Renee’s Which Race Has The Most Beautiful Women? at Womanist Musings Renee’s [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of Color and the Fat Acceptance Movement at Fatshionista! fillyjonk’s response to the above post: Giving a shit at Shapely Prose Renee’s Which Race Has The Most Beautiful Women? at Womanist Musings Renee’s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Body Impolitic - Blog Archive - &#187; People of Color and Fat Acceptance: What Needs to Happen and Why - Laurie Toby Edison: Photographer</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/24/giving-a-shit/#comment-48849</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Body Impolitic - Blog Archive - &#187; People of Color and Fat Acceptance: What Needs to Happen and Why - Laurie Toby Edison: Photographer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] piece has already gotten a lot of commentary, at Racialicious, at Shapely Prose, and from our regular commenter [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] piece has already gotten a lot of commentary, at Racialicious, at Shapely Prose, and from our regular commenter [...]</p>
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		<title>By: fillyjonk</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/24/giving-a-shit/#comment-48804</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For what it&#039;s worth, littlem, I&#039;m usually a huge grammar pedant and I like it better the original way.  The fact that it&#039;s not technically correct makes it seem more direct and down-to-earth.  IMHO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, littlem, I&#8217;m usually a huge grammar pedant and I like it better the original way.  The fact that it&#8217;s not technically correct makes it seem more direct and down-to-earth.  IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: littlem</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/24/giving-a-shit/#comment-48802</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I’m really sorry to be unable to resist this ...&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Clearly not? :D

Thank you for teaching me how it feels when I do it to other people, though.

Also, extra mortification points for not taking care of it the first time I wrote it on The Rotund&#039;s blog.  Would you ask her to fix it for me, please? *kthx*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;I’m really sorry to be unable to resist this &#8230;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Clearly not? :D</p>
<p>Thank you for teaching me how it feels when I do it to other people, though.</p>
<p>Also, extra mortification points for not taking care of it the first time I wrote it on The Rotund&#8217;s blog.  Would you ask her to fix it for me, please? *kthx*</p>
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		<title>By: Orodemniades</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/24/giving-a-shit/#comment-48750</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ailbhe, thank you.

As for ethnic clothing/jewelry, I love it!  But, I do make an effort to not wear, say, a wedding outfit just because of the shinypretty.  But perhaps this is down to me being a bellydancer (amateur) and &lt;i&gt;choosing&lt;/i&gt; to enlighten myself as to the various cultures and what is and isn&#039;t appropriate in dress, manner, and style of dance.  The funny thing is, once you start down the road of enlightenment, it&#039;s damned hard to stop. ;)  

Having said that, I do have to agree with some of the other posters - until I read Tara&#039;s post, I had no idea some people felt excluded from the FAM because of race.  Of course, like the majority of those same posters, I do have a priviligded life (I know that&#039;s an sp, I just don&#039;t have the time to look it up at the moment) although I did not grow up that way (let&#039;s just say there&#039;s a huge difference between choosing to go off the grid and not being able to get on the grid in the first place).  As a person of mixed race, I acknowledge another person&#039;s skin color/cultural background, but I&#039;m going to treat you the way I want to be treated regardless, that is to say, with respect and non-judgement (unless you&#039;re an ass). 

Yet, I&#039;m still guilty of putting on my asshat, thankfully much less often these days.  I have no idea what I&#039;m trying to say anymore, so I&#039;ll leave off with how brilliant &#039;make fewer statements, ask more questions&#039; is, and add one bit - then &lt;i&gt;listen to the answers&lt;/i&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ailbhe, thank you.</p>
<p>As for ethnic clothing/jewelry, I love it!  But, I do make an effort to not wear, say, a wedding outfit just because of the shinypretty.  But perhaps this is down to me being a bellydancer (amateur) and <i>choosing</i> to enlighten myself as to the various cultures and what is and isn&#8217;t appropriate in dress, manner, and style of dance.  The funny thing is, once you start down the road of enlightenment, it&#8217;s damned hard to stop. ;)  </p>
<p>Having said that, I do have to agree with some of the other posters &#8211; until I read Tara&#8217;s post, I had no idea some people felt excluded from the FAM because of race.  Of course, like the majority of those same posters, I do have a priviligded life (I know that&#8217;s an sp, I just don&#8217;t have the time to look it up at the moment) although I did not grow up that way (let&#8217;s just say there&#8217;s a huge difference between choosing to go off the grid and not being able to get on the grid in the first place).  As a person of mixed race, I acknowledge another person&#8217;s skin color/cultural background, but I&#8217;m going to treat you the way I want to be treated regardless, that is to say, with respect and non-judgement (unless you&#8217;re an ass). </p>
<p>Yet, I&#8217;m still guilty of putting on my asshat, thankfully much less often these days.  I have no idea what I&#8217;m trying to say anymore, so I&#8217;ll leave off with how brilliant &#8216;make fewer statements, ask more questions&#8217; is, and add one bit &#8211; then <i>listen to the answers</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: sweetmachine</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/24/giving-a-shit/#comment-48712</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ailbhe, when you find that program, sign me up!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ailbhe, when you find that program, sign me up!</p>
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		<title>By: Ailbhe</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/24/giving-a-shit/#comment-48703</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ailbhe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m really sorry to be unable to resist this, but it has been bugging me and bugging me.

&quot;Make FEWER statements. Ask more questions.&quot;

Thank you. I will try to find a ten-step program for ex-editors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really sorry to be unable to resist this, but it has been bugging me and bugging me.</p>
<p>&#8220;Make FEWER statements. Ask more questions.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you. I will try to find a ten-step program for ex-editors.</p>
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		<title>By: littlem</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 06:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Inherent assumption to above post is that one does in fact give a ****.

Also, for ***ism, given the fact that we&#039;re talking about intersectionality,  feel free to insert your favorite ***ism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inherent assumption to above post is that one does in fact give a ****.</p>
<p>Also, for ***ism, given the fact that we&#8217;re talking about intersectionality,  feel free to insert your favorite ***ism.</p>
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		<title>By: littlem</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/24/giving-a-shit/#comment-48687</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 06:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First I&#039;m going to quote someone.

Then I&#039;m going to repeat myself.

&lt;blockquote&gt;cope best by having low expectations of others’ ability to consider anything or anyone outside of their own experiences and perspectives in a balanced way. That works for right now because I’m rarely surprised by insensitivity or negativity regarding race but one day I will need to find a proper balance with this…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

MAKE LESS STATEMENTS.

ASK MORE QUESTIONS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First I&#8217;m going to quote someone.</p>
<p>Then I&#8217;m going to repeat myself.</p>
<blockquote><p>cope best by having low expectations of others’ ability to consider anything or anyone outside of their own experiences and perspectives in a balanced way. That works for right now because I’m rarely surprised by insensitivity or negativity regarding race but one day I will need to find a proper balance with this…</p></blockquote>
<p>MAKE LESS STATEMENTS.</p>
<p>ASK MORE QUESTIONS.</p>
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		<title>By: thewellofemoness</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/24/giving-a-shit/#comment-48686</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 06:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Tara&#039;s post, I probably do sound like the white, prep-school educated person that I am. I can see where it could be uncomfortable to be around a group of people with similar backgrounds who think completely differently than you. I mean, when I first came here(through a link from another person), everything sounded like a different language. I was raised in a conservative family and was taught that the civil rights movement ended long ago and that it is no longer relevant. I kept on thinking &quot;what is all this privilege buisness anyways?&quot;

It took me a few months to  really understand the language of shapely prose.

OK, I promise I am going somewhere with this!

My main point is that within certain groups certain things are just assumed to be true and because they are assumed to be true, no one questions them or wonders if they are true for other groups of people.

It always is good to adress these concerns! Activism is more powerful when it is inclusive. We can&#039;t adress everything but it is possible that some core assumptions are not true for every group of people.

Wow, I hope that made sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Tara&#8217;s post, I probably do sound like the white, prep-school educated person that I am. I can see where it could be uncomfortable to be around a group of people with similar backgrounds who think completely differently than you. I mean, when I first came here(through a link from another person), everything sounded like a different language. I was raised in a conservative family and was taught that the civil rights movement ended long ago and that it is no longer relevant. I kept on thinking &#8220;what is all this privilege buisness anyways?&#8221;</p>
<p>It took me a few months to  really understand the language of shapely prose.</p>
<p>OK, I promise I am going somewhere with this!</p>
<p>My main point is that within certain groups certain things are just assumed to be true and because they are assumed to be true, no one questions them or wonders if they are true for other groups of people.</p>
<p>It always is good to adress these concerns! Activism is more powerful when it is inclusive. We can&#8217;t adress everything but it is possible that some core assumptions are not true for every group of people.</p>
<p>Wow, I hope that made sense.</p>
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