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		<title>By: Obesity - What it is and why we care &#171; I AM in shape. ROUND is a shape.</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/03/miss-conduct-tackles-fatties-on-the-subway-so-to-speak/#comment-71367</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obesity - What it is and why we care &#171; I AM in shape. ROUND is a shape.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Public transportation is not a pleasant experience for anyone.  But to insist that people are the ones who should change their BODIES rather than to insist on larger accommodations for a population which IS NOT actually getting larger (see &#8220;It&#8217;s an Epidemic&#8221; above) is asinine. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Public transportation is not a pleasant experience for anyone.  But to insist that people are the ones who should change their BODIES rather than to insist on larger accommodations for a population which IS NOT actually getting larger (see &#8220;It&#8217;s an Epidemic&#8221; above) is asinine. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sticking up for ourselves &#187; The-F-Word.org</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/03/miss-conduct-tackles-fatties-on-the-subway-so-to-speak/#comment-55381</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 18:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] has been covered recently by the Boston Globe&#8217;s Miss Conduct here and related conversations here and here at Shapely Prose.  Click to Bookmark    This entry was posted on Monday, May 19th, 2008 at [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has been covered recently by the Boston Globe&#8217;s Miss Conduct here and related conversations here and here at Shapely Prose.  Click to Bookmark    This entry was posted on Monday, May 19th, 2008 at [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RG</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m really torn about the bringing in sweets issue.  I&#039;m sitting at a computer at my sister&#039;s house and 8 feet from me is a plate of high-fat brownies.  At my own house I make low-fat, high-protein brownies, and I eat them.  I miss chocolate, and these brownies are the first source I&#039;ve had in about a week.  There is hot chocolate in the pantry, and I am a grown person who can make choices, but:  But I eat better when I have healthier choices for my chocolates, fat, carbs.  Work is different because it&#039;s not feeling trapped in someone else&#039;s food environment.

Still, if food is your &quot;love language&quot;, a part of me wants to politely ask you to grow up.  If you&#039;re able to give people food without caring that they immediately put it in the trash, and if you tell them that, that&#039;s another matter.  I was raised around very poor people, and giving me food or clothes that I don&#039;t want creates a chore for me of figuring out someone who does want those things.  I am not a baby that needs to be dressed or fed.  I am a human being that needs attention and affection, however - a compliment, a conversation about me or my interests.  Food or other gifts that you know I will appreciate are also good, but I suspect conversations will be necessary to make that happen. 

This is coming out way snarkier than I mean it to be, because, duh, don&#039;t look a gift horse in the mouth and all that.  If you give me sweets I will smile and say thank you and put them in the freezer and eat them occasionally and think of you.  If I know you well enough, I might say &quot;no thank you I&#039;m still working on the batch from last month&quot;.  I am not going to throw them in the trash, nor am I going to give them to someone else as soon as your back is turned because I think those things are rude.  That said, people who insist on giving me gifts that I &quot;obviously&quot; don&#039;t want - clothes that fit the giver&#039;s sense of style more than mine, or food - seems to be to have something else going on.   Are they lonely or controlling?  I don&#039;t know the psychology in that situation, but haven&#039;t we all been given gifts that are really back-handed compliments?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really torn about the bringing in sweets issue.  I&#8217;m sitting at a computer at my sister&#8217;s house and 8 feet from me is a plate of high-fat brownies.  At my own house I make low-fat, high-protein brownies, and I eat them.  I miss chocolate, and these brownies are the first source I&#8217;ve had in about a week.  There is hot chocolate in the pantry, and I am a grown person who can make choices, but:  But I eat better when I have healthier choices for my chocolates, fat, carbs.  Work is different because it&#8217;s not feeling trapped in someone else&#8217;s food environment.</p>
<p>Still, if food is your &#8220;love language&#8221;, a part of me wants to politely ask you to grow up.  If you&#8217;re able to give people food without caring that they immediately put it in the trash, and if you tell them that, that&#8217;s another matter.  I was raised around very poor people, and giving me food or clothes that I don&#8217;t want creates a chore for me of figuring out someone who does want those things.  I am not a baby that needs to be dressed or fed.  I am a human being that needs attention and affection, however &#8211; a compliment, a conversation about me or my interests.  Food or other gifts that you know I will appreciate are also good, but I suspect conversations will be necessary to make that happen. </p>
<p>This is coming out way snarkier than I mean it to be, because, duh, don&#8217;t look a gift horse in the mouth and all that.  If you give me sweets I will smile and say thank you and put them in the freezer and eat them occasionally and think of you.  If I know you well enough, I might say &#8220;no thank you I&#8217;m still working on the batch from last month&#8221;.  I am not going to throw them in the trash, nor am I going to give them to someone else as soon as your back is turned because I think those things are rude.  That said, people who insist on giving me gifts that I &#8220;obviously&#8221; don&#8217;t want &#8211; clothes that fit the giver&#8217;s sense of style more than mine, or food &#8211; seems to be to have something else going on.   Are they lonely or controlling?  I don&#8217;t know the psychology in that situation, but haven&#8217;t we all been given gifts that are really back-handed compliments?</p>
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		<title>By: Teppy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Teppy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Dieters are out there deliberately trying to sabotage my attempts to eat in an ordered manner. Hey look, I can make everything all about me, too!&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;Your diet-oriented hissy-fit is sabotaging my intuitive eating. So no, I can&#039;t stop bringing in food. Check and mate!&quot;

...is the proper response to Whiny Dieter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Dieters are out there deliberately trying to sabotage my attempts to eat in an ordered manner. Hey look, I can make everything all about me, too!</i></p>
<p>&#8220;Your diet-oriented hissy-fit is sabotaging my intuitive eating. So no, I can&#8217;t stop bringing in food. Check and mate!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;is the proper response to Whiny Dieter.</p>
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		<title>By: fillyjonk</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/03/miss-conduct-tackles-fatties-on-the-subway-so-to-speak/#comment-46719</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fillyjonk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;You know where that 0.7 number came from? Comparing past and present Miss America contest winners to past and present Playboy centerfolds. This was supposed to prove that all men across all times and cultures have found women with a 0.7 waist to hip ratio sexy.&lt;/i&gt;

Because Playboy and Miss America have been around SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You know where that 0.7 number came from? Comparing past and present Miss America contest winners to past and present Playboy centerfolds. This was supposed to prove that all men across all times and cultures have found women with a 0.7 waist to hip ratio sexy.</i></p>
<p>Because Playboy and Miss America have been around SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/03/03/miss-conduct-tackles-fatties-on-the-subway-so-to-speak/#comment-46716</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rachel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RE: The stupidity of Ask Amy

I worked in an office where people brought in sweets all the time.  When they asked me if I wanted one when I didn&#039;t want one, I said &quot;No, thank you.&quot;  Really, it&#039;s as easy as that.  If your whole diet plan is sabotaged by someone having a jar of candy on their desk, I think you probably have some emotional or disordered eating that ought to be addressed by a specialist, not WW.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: The stupidity of Ask Amy</p>
<p>I worked in an office where people brought in sweets all the time.  When they asked me if I wanted one when I didn&#8217;t want one, I said &#8220;No, thank you.&#8221;  Really, it&#8217;s as easy as that.  If your whole diet plan is sabotaged by someone having a jar of candy on their desk, I think you probably have some emotional or disordered eating that ought to be addressed by a specialist, not WW.</p>
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		<title>By: LilahMorgan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LilahMorgan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;“Evolution” is not a deliberate process which results in an ideal state, it’s just a way of describing what happened.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes - the way a lot of these evolutionary psych types describe evolution, it&#039;s a lot closer to creationism, isn&#039;t it?  A creation story that supports their particular moral beliefs, whatever those may be.

&lt;i&gt;How can a supposedly ideal weight be described as overweight? That doesn’t make any sense. What’s the baseline–your skeleton?&lt;/i&gt;

I think that&#039;s exactly what it is, since she seems to think that only 10%-20% body fat is appropriate for women (as it&#039;s apparently the evolution-mandated amount).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“Evolution” is not a deliberate process which results in an ideal state, it’s just a way of describing what happened.</i></p>
<p>Yes &#8211; the way a lot of these evolutionary psych types describe evolution, it&#8217;s a lot closer to creationism, isn&#8217;t it?  A creation story that supports their particular moral beliefs, whatever those may be.</p>
<p><i>How can a supposedly ideal weight be described as overweight? That doesn’t make any sense. What’s the baseline–your skeleton?</i></p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s exactly what it is, since she seems to think that only 10%-20% body fat is appropriate for women (as it&#8217;s apparently the evolution-mandated amount).</p>
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		<title>By: Mandork</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mandork]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ugh.  Evolution is the bane of my existence as an anthropologist.  All it really means is that things change over time.  Survival of the fittest just means that the ancestors of current generations were better at producing viable offspring than their contemporaries who don&#039;t have any descendants.  &quot;Evolution&quot; is not a deliberate process which results in an ideal state, it&#039;s just a way of describing what happened.  

@kira--excellent point, by the way.  How can a supposedly ideal weight be described as overweight?  That doesn&#039;t make any sense.  What&#039;s the baseline--your skeleton?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh.  Evolution is the bane of my existence as an anthropologist.  All it really means is that things change over time.  Survival of the fittest just means that the ancestors of current generations were better at producing viable offspring than their contemporaries who don&#8217;t have any descendants.  &#8220;Evolution&#8221; is not a deliberate process which results in an ideal state, it&#8217;s just a way of describing what happened.  </p>
<p>@kira&#8211;excellent point, by the way.  How can a supposedly ideal weight be described as overweight?  That doesn&#8217;t make any sense.  What&#8217;s the baseline&#8211;your skeleton?</p>
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		<title>By: anamericanaries</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anamericanaries]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 04:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Somebody needs to tell Lori that Kate Harding rocks. End of story! 

Sarah (I had a WordPress account all along!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody needs to tell Lori that Kate Harding rocks. End of story! </p>
<p>Sarah (I had a WordPress account all along!)</p>
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		<title>By: Bree</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bree]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Boy, Lori sure is dumb. Her theory is so full of holes her brain probably looks like a Scotch Brite sponge.  

And shame on Yvonne for falling back on that tiresome &quot;OMG, look at what that fatty eats, she&#039;s so disgusting!&quot; Because y&#039;know, it&#039;s okay to be fat if you don&#039;t eat brownies and McDonald&#039;s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, Lori sure is dumb. Her theory is so full of holes her brain probably looks like a Scotch Brite sponge.  </p>
<p>And shame on Yvonne for falling back on that tiresome &#8220;OMG, look at what that fatty eats, she&#8217;s so disgusting!&#8221; Because y&#8217;know, it&#8217;s okay to be fat if you don&#8217;t eat brownies and McDonald&#8217;s.</p>
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