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		<title>By: lc</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/02/09/dinner-table-conversation/#comment-44400</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a little late to the party but this pissed me the hell off:

&lt;i&gt;Last year’s Why Smart Men Marry Smart Women makes the most blatant case for settling: if women were more willing to “think outside the box,” as one of the book’s married sources advises, many of them would be married. The author then trots out tales of professional, accomplished women happily dating a plumber, a park ranger, and an Army helicopter nurse.&lt;/i&gt;

I am a university professor. My husband is a computer tech who used to work in a chip shop, barely finished high school and worked his way up from the very bottom to get where he is now. He is the sweetest, kindest, most generous, sexiest, loveliest man I have ever met, and he&#039;s smart to boot. We are madly in love with each other. I cannot even describe the extent to which I am &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; settling. I got the biggest prize there is. 

Not that it&#039;s a damn competition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little late to the party but this pissed me the hell off:</p>
<p><i>Last year’s Why Smart Men Marry Smart Women makes the most blatant case for settling: if women were more willing to “think outside the box,” as one of the book’s married sources advises, many of them would be married. The author then trots out tales of professional, accomplished women happily dating a plumber, a park ranger, and an Army helicopter nurse.</i></p>
<p>I am a university professor. My husband is a computer tech who used to work in a chip shop, barely finished high school and worked his way up from the very bottom to get where he is now. He is the sweetest, kindest, most generous, sexiest, loveliest man I have ever met, and he&#8217;s smart to boot. We are madly in love with each other. I cannot even describe the extent to which I am <i>not</i> settling. I got the biggest prize there is. </p>
<p>Not that it&#8217;s a damn competition.</p>
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		<title>By: Jae</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/02/09/dinner-table-conversation/#comment-44234</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I can’t imagine how terrible my life could have been if I’d read an article like that a couple years ago and taken it to heart and carried on dating one of the amiable but personality-less men I met then.&lt;/i&gt;

Seriously, this is one of the things that made me angriest about this.  When I wrote my own ramble on my blog about it, I kept picturing this one girl who I used to be friends with.  She can not imagine being alone and has put up with no end of trouble from one man because he, for a few moments, made her happy.  She doesn&#039;t seem to understand that happiness isn&#039;t a limited commodity and that no one can really give it to you if you don&#039;t have it already.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I can’t imagine how terrible my life could have been if I’d read an article like that a couple years ago and taken it to heart and carried on dating one of the amiable but personality-less men I met then.</i></p>
<p>Seriously, this is one of the things that made me angriest about this.  When I wrote my own ramble on my blog about it, I kept picturing this one girl who I used to be friends with.  She can not imagine being alone and has put up with no end of trouble from one man because he, for a few moments, made her happy.  She doesn&#8217;t seem to understand that happiness isn&#8217;t a limited commodity and that no one can really give it to you if you don&#8217;t have it already.</p>
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		<title>By: sumac</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/02/09/dinner-table-conversation/#comment-44232</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hilarious! Also, thanks for linking to that article and Pandragon. My friend wrote the book Why Smart Men Marry Smart Women, which is cited and quoted in that Atlantic article, and the thing is: the book is not about settling. It&#039;s about how women of all ages who are well-educated are likely to find someone they really truly love. The book was conceived to disprove the idea that women over 35 are SOL--basically Gottleib&#039;s entire argument. 

Also? On a more personal note? I fucking love living/being alone. I know from living with someone you aren&#039;t really into and...yep, I&#039;ll take being alone every single time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hilarious! Also, thanks for linking to that article and Pandragon. My friend wrote the book Why Smart Men Marry Smart Women, which is cited and quoted in that Atlantic article, and the thing is: the book is not about settling. It&#8217;s about how women of all ages who are well-educated are likely to find someone they really truly love. The book was conceived to disprove the idea that women over 35 are SOL&#8211;basically Gottleib&#8217;s entire argument. </p>
<p>Also? On a more personal note? I fucking love living/being alone. I know from living with someone you aren&#8217;t really into and&#8230;yep, I&#8217;ll take being alone every single time.</p>
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		<title>By: Twistie</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/02/09/dinner-table-conversation/#comment-44054</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Annie McPhee, this was on page 2:

//By 40, if you get a cold shiver down your spine at the thought of embracing a certain guy, but you enjoy his company more than anyone else’s, is that settling or making an adult compromise?//

That sounds to me like she thinks a marriage to someone you find sexually repulsive is an &#039;adult compromise&#039; to be seriously considered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annie McPhee, this was on page 2:</p>
<p>//By 40, if you get a cold shiver down your spine at the thought of embracing a certain guy, but you enjoy his company more than anyone else’s, is that settling or making an adult compromise?//</p>
<p>That sounds to me like she thinks a marriage to someone you find sexually repulsive is an &#8216;adult compromise&#8217; to be seriously considered.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/02/09/dinner-table-conversation/#comment-44043</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Suzanne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; ... [the Altantic] was the first place I heard about the situation in Darfur–so I doubt I’ll cancel my subscription. I am not a big believer in that, because when I read a letter to the editor saying “I’m so disgusted with X, I’m canceling my subscription after 25 years!” I always think “Eh, don’t let the door hit ya.”&lt;/i&gt;

I hear ya. My comment up thread (and I realize you weren&#039;t necessarily responding to me) about canceling my subscription wasn&#039;t a &quot;this is the last straw!&quot; cry of outrage, but more of a &quot;to hell with tiny pants&quot; moment with my magazine subscriptions. I&#039;ve not liked what I&#039;ve read in many issues, and I just now realized I stupidly keep spending money and time waiting for something that I personally like to be published, and it&#039;s a bit of a wasted effort on my part.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> &#8230; [the Altantic] was the first place I heard about the situation in Darfur–so I doubt I’ll cancel my subscription. I am not a big believer in that, because when I read a letter to the editor saying “I’m so disgusted with X, I’m canceling my subscription after 25 years!” I always think “Eh, don’t let the door hit ya.”</i></p>
<p>I hear ya. My comment up thread (and I realize you weren&#8217;t necessarily responding to me) about canceling my subscription wasn&#8217;t a &#8220;this is the last straw!&#8221; cry of outrage, but more of a &#8220;to hell with tiny pants&#8221; moment with my magazine subscriptions. I&#8217;ve not liked what I&#8217;ve read in many issues, and I just now realized I stupidly keep spending money and time waiting for something that I personally like to be published, and it&#8217;s a bit of a wasted effort on my part.</p>
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		<title>By: AnnieMcPhee</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/02/09/dinner-table-conversation/#comment-44035</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AnnieMcPhee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quick question - did she really say something about marrying a man who literally * repulsed* you?  I didn&#039;t see that...of course I stopped after page 3.   That is certainly weird, if it&#039;s in there.  I don&#039;t see how you can marry someone who repulses you with his touch, if that&#039;s what she says.   Because that doesn&#039;t work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick question &#8211; did she really say something about marrying a man who literally * repulsed* you?  I didn&#8217;t see that&#8230;of course I stopped after page 3.   That is certainly weird, if it&#8217;s in there.  I don&#8217;t see how you can marry someone who repulses you with his touch, if that&#8217;s what she says.   Because that doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>By: AnnieMcPhee</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/02/09/dinner-table-conversation/#comment-44033</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AnnieMcPhee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Men have so much privilege to act like over-grown children that we don’t even stop to support the women who end up with them by taking their complaints seriously.&quot;

Well...I&#039;m not sure about that, because a majority of the husbands I know didn&#039;t have that privilege.  They were mostly too busy eking out a living in this world where that isn&#039;t exactly easy to do, in order to provide the necessities of life to their wives and children.   They had to haul their butts off to those blue-collar jobs even when they were sick or hurt, because losing a day&#039;s pay might mean being short on the electric bill, or having to stretch an already too-tight grocery budget, and skipping some genuinely needed food, or medicine for a sick child, etc.   For the women who did end up with overgrown children (and in my personal life I haven&#039;t encountered too many of them - maybe because everyone was struggling just to pay the regular bills and put food on the table) I certainly listened to their complaints and support them.  Also to those who have husbands who were flat-out abusive, mean, etc.   Then I ended up sick for many years and could do literally nothing around the house, so he not only had to support us all on insufficient pay, but also to do all the housework, etc.   He had always shared in the childcare, even after a 12 hour day on the job (of not easy physical labor.)   I don&#039;t know where I&#039;m going with this, but while I suppose some men are privileged in that sense, I also meet women who are privileged to be able to go shopping for fun things like jewelry and nice clothes and furniture and redecorating stuff, regularly with the money their (obviously much higher paid than us) husbands while not having to go to work themselves.   Of course they were in a different class than we were, though.  For us, neither of us are privileged; we have struggled with poverty and sickness and so forth throughout our years.   But it&#039;s nice to have someone to share it all with and go through it together.   (For me.)   I do kind of react when I hear that men (as in all men) are just so privileged in comparison to women, and I don&#039;t see it.  Of course I&#039;m one person in a big world.  YMMV.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Men have so much privilege to act like over-grown children that we don’t even stop to support the women who end up with them by taking their complaints seriously.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well&#8230;I&#8217;m not sure about that, because a majority of the husbands I know didn&#8217;t have that privilege.  They were mostly too busy eking out a living in this world where that isn&#8217;t exactly easy to do, in order to provide the necessities of life to their wives and children.   They had to haul their butts off to those blue-collar jobs even when they were sick or hurt, because losing a day&#8217;s pay might mean being short on the electric bill, or having to stretch an already too-tight grocery budget, and skipping some genuinely needed food, or medicine for a sick child, etc.   For the women who did end up with overgrown children (and in my personal life I haven&#8217;t encountered too many of them &#8211; maybe because everyone was struggling just to pay the regular bills and put food on the table) I certainly listened to their complaints and support them.  Also to those who have husbands who were flat-out abusive, mean, etc.   Then I ended up sick for many years and could do literally nothing around the house, so he not only had to support us all on insufficient pay, but also to do all the housework, etc.   He had always shared in the childcare, even after a 12 hour day on the job (of not easy physical labor.)   I don&#8217;t know where I&#8217;m going with this, but while I suppose some men are privileged in that sense, I also meet women who are privileged to be able to go shopping for fun things like jewelry and nice clothes and furniture and redecorating stuff, regularly with the money their (obviously much higher paid than us) husbands while not having to go to work themselves.   Of course they were in a different class than we were, though.  For us, neither of us are privileged; we have struggled with poverty and sickness and so forth throughout our years.   But it&#8217;s nice to have someone to share it all with and go through it together.   (For me.)   I do kind of react when I hear that men (as in all men) are just so privileged in comparison to women, and I don&#8217;t see it.  Of course I&#8217;m one person in a big world.  YMMV.</p>
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		<title>By: AnnieMcPhee</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/02/09/dinner-table-conversation/#comment-44030</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Godless Heathen, when I referred to meritless bashfests, I wasn&#039;t talking about people here (not remotely) - I was talking about women I knew intimately (as well as their husbands) who would honestly, genuinely, just bash for the fun of bashing as soon as the men were out of the room.  Making nasty comments about devoted and extremely supportive husbands just because it seemed a rather hip thing to do, for fun and sport.   There is a big difference between that and legitimate complaints that required a sympathetic ear.  Snarky insults made with wry smirks about things that were either irrelevant or untrue.  (One woman who was definitely happily married to a man who was so devoted to supporting her in her ordained ministry and did nothing but stand behind her and applaud her efforts wholeheartedly, and praise her to everyone who would listen, but when he wasn&#039;t around she would say emasculating things, such as when her baby was dressed in a baseball cap and baseball was mentioned, making a snide comment about how &quot;Daddy throws like a *girl.* haha&quot;  Where on the other hand one of the older women had a husband for 40 years and he was truly unsupportive and no help at all - had become just a couch potato telling her to get out of the way of the TV - her complaints were totally received with nothing but sympathy.   Others who had genuine marriage problems, like I say I&#039;ve helped other women get out of those, or at least tried to.   But they are two very different things.  The meritless bashfests I wanted nothing to do with; the actual problems were another matter altogether.   I hope that makes a bit more sense.   In the bashfests, it was for the sole purpose of putting down someone who really didn&#039;t deserve it, it wasn&#039;t about getting a sympathetic audience for any kind of actual problem, just making jokes at his expense.   Sorry, I&#039;m a little tired, hope this makes sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Godless Heathen, when I referred to meritless bashfests, I wasn&#8217;t talking about people here (not remotely) &#8211; I was talking about women I knew intimately (as well as their husbands) who would honestly, genuinely, just bash for the fun of bashing as soon as the men were out of the room.  Making nasty comments about devoted and extremely supportive husbands just because it seemed a rather hip thing to do, for fun and sport.   There is a big difference between that and legitimate complaints that required a sympathetic ear.  Snarky insults made with wry smirks about things that were either irrelevant or untrue.  (One woman who was definitely happily married to a man who was so devoted to supporting her in her ordained ministry and did nothing but stand behind her and applaud her efforts wholeheartedly, and praise her to everyone who would listen, but when he wasn&#8217;t around she would say emasculating things, such as when her baby was dressed in a baseball cap and baseball was mentioned, making a snide comment about how &#8220;Daddy throws like a *girl.* haha&#8221;  Where on the other hand one of the older women had a husband for 40 years and he was truly unsupportive and no help at all &#8211; had become just a couch potato telling her to get out of the way of the TV &#8211; her complaints were totally received with nothing but sympathy.   Others who had genuine marriage problems, like I say I&#8217;ve helped other women get out of those, or at least tried to.   But they are two very different things.  The meritless bashfests I wanted nothing to do with; the actual problems were another matter altogether.   I hope that makes a bit more sense.   In the bashfests, it was for the sole purpose of putting down someone who really didn&#8217;t deserve it, it wasn&#8217;t about getting a sympathetic audience for any kind of actual problem, just making jokes at his expense.   Sorry, I&#8217;m a little tired, hope this makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah M</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/02/09/dinner-table-conversation/#comment-44017</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure I can contribute anything more to the conversation than all the articulate people here have, but that article saddened me so much. She really did sound like she was waiting around for Prince Charming and advising us all to not wait and marry the frog who will stay froglike. Well, jeez, but I never actually was all that interested in Prince Charming types. And I have been in exactly the situation she talks about; I got married six months ago at the age of 34, a mere six months after meeting my now husband, and before him had not had a single long-term relationship. I&#039;d been out with various men a few times, and decided to stop seeing them when after six dates I still felt like I was on a first date because absolutely no connection was being made. I went out with one guy long-distance for a while, meeting him online, and on email we seemed perfect for each other, met a few times, and again because he seemed &#039;right&#039; in so many ways and his touch *didn&#039;t* repulse me (although it didn&#039;t do all that much for me, either) I was pretty devastated when he brokeup with me for no good reason other than &quot;it&#039;s 85% there but it&#039;s not the whole thing). Now, I&#039;m very grateful to him for breaking it up, because I&#039;d say there wasn&#039;t even 85% of a connection there, and the minute I met my now husband I knew that there was something special, and within weeks I was thinking &quot;this is the one&quot; and within months we were engaged and now after thinking I would never find anyone and that I&#039;d end up childless and alone and I personally was *very* lonely that way, I have someone to be with who accepts me totally and wholly as I am, who I laugh with, cry with, tease, play, and hopefully will have children with... and I revel in how &#039;normal&#039; and &#039;domestic&#039; and &#039;comfortable&#039; it is and I remain incredibly grateful for the luck that brought us together.

I can&#039;t imagine how terrible my life could have been if I&#039;d read an article like that a couple years ago and taken it to heart and carried on dating one of the amiable but personality-less men I met then.

But then, I always knew that I was the type to stay alone forever rather than marry the wrong person.

I know it&#039; can be a terrible place to be in, to think that  you&#039;re missing out on your chance to have a child (if you want children), to be living alone instead of in a partnership, if that&#039;s what you want... but to imagine that settling for someone who physically repulses you or you find boring... I know someone who did that. She had an ex-boyfriend who convinced her nobody would want her, for various reasons, so the next guy to show an interest, she married. She was very religious, and so was he, and despite the fact that she was stunningly beautiful and he really was one of the homeliest people I&#039;d ever met, I figured - well, she sees his other qualities, and she&#039;s such a lovely person that doesn&#039;t surprise me. But they hardly knew each other, and after the fact I discovered she&#039;d almost been hoping her friends would stop her, and on her wedding day she knew she was doing the wrong thing and she wasn&#039;t attracted to him... and a year later *he* walked out. There&#039;s a happy ending - at least there were no kids, and they got divorced, and they&#039;re both remarried and she is now with a much more suitable guy and has 3 kids... but honestly, she was the vulnerable person who would have read that article and taken it to heart... and lived to regret it.

I&#039;m not sure how you can teach people to stop looking for Prince Charming. I also have a friend who is still single and has such specific requirements for who she&#039;ll date that I do think it&#039;s her being &#039;too choosy&#039; even though when that accusation was flung at me I knew it wasn&#039;t true. But heck, I&#039;ve always been attracted to broad, slightly overweight guys. Didn&#039;t matter how tall they were, but they couldn&#039;t be too thin. And my husband is a shade under 6 foot 2, and 154 pounds - stick thin. And I absolutely adore him, even though my one concern when we first started dating was whether I was attracted to him enough or not. 

/ramble]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I can contribute anything more to the conversation than all the articulate people here have, but that article saddened me so much. She really did sound like she was waiting around for Prince Charming and advising us all to not wait and marry the frog who will stay froglike. Well, jeez, but I never actually was all that interested in Prince Charming types. And I have been in exactly the situation she talks about; I got married six months ago at the age of 34, a mere six months after meeting my now husband, and before him had not had a single long-term relationship. I&#8217;d been out with various men a few times, and decided to stop seeing them when after six dates I still felt like I was on a first date because absolutely no connection was being made. I went out with one guy long-distance for a while, meeting him online, and on email we seemed perfect for each other, met a few times, and again because he seemed &#8216;right&#8217; in so many ways and his touch *didn&#8217;t* repulse me (although it didn&#8217;t do all that much for me, either) I was pretty devastated when he brokeup with me for no good reason other than &#8220;it&#8217;s 85% there but it&#8217;s not the whole thing). Now, I&#8217;m very grateful to him for breaking it up, because I&#8217;d say there wasn&#8217;t even 85% of a connection there, and the minute I met my now husband I knew that there was something special, and within weeks I was thinking &#8220;this is the one&#8221; and within months we were engaged and now after thinking I would never find anyone and that I&#8217;d end up childless and alone and I personally was *very* lonely that way, I have someone to be with who accepts me totally and wholly as I am, who I laugh with, cry with, tease, play, and hopefully will have children with&#8230; and I revel in how &#8216;normal&#8217; and &#8216;domestic&#8217; and &#8216;comfortable&#8217; it is and I remain incredibly grateful for the luck that brought us together.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t imagine how terrible my life could have been if I&#8217;d read an article like that a couple years ago and taken it to heart and carried on dating one of the amiable but personality-less men I met then.</p>
<p>But then, I always knew that I was the type to stay alone forever rather than marry the wrong person.</p>
<p>I know it&#8217; can be a terrible place to be in, to think that  you&#8217;re missing out on your chance to have a child (if you want children), to be living alone instead of in a partnership, if that&#8217;s what you want&#8230; but to imagine that settling for someone who physically repulses you or you find boring&#8230; I know someone who did that. She had an ex-boyfriend who convinced her nobody would want her, for various reasons, so the next guy to show an interest, she married. She was very religious, and so was he, and despite the fact that she was stunningly beautiful and he really was one of the homeliest people I&#8217;d ever met, I figured &#8211; well, she sees his other qualities, and she&#8217;s such a lovely person that doesn&#8217;t surprise me. But they hardly knew each other, and after the fact I discovered she&#8217;d almost been hoping her friends would stop her, and on her wedding day she knew she was doing the wrong thing and she wasn&#8217;t attracted to him&#8230; and a year later *he* walked out. There&#8217;s a happy ending &#8211; at least there were no kids, and they got divorced, and they&#8217;re both remarried and she is now with a much more suitable guy and has 3 kids&#8230; but honestly, she was the vulnerable person who would have read that article and taken it to heart&#8230; and lived to regret it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how you can teach people to stop looking for Prince Charming. I also have a friend who is still single and has such specific requirements for who she&#8217;ll date that I do think it&#8217;s her being &#8216;too choosy&#8217; even though when that accusation was flung at me I knew it wasn&#8217;t true. But heck, I&#8217;ve always been attracted to broad, slightly overweight guys. Didn&#8217;t matter how tall they were, but they couldn&#8217;t be too thin. And my husband is a shade under 6 foot 2, and 154 pounds &#8211; stick thin. And I absolutely adore him, even though my one concern when we first started dating was whether I was attracted to him enough or not. </p>
<p>/ramble</p>
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		<title>By: lauredhel</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 06:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This article made no sense at all. She describes two single mothers, best friends, who both want a romance-less domestic partnership to share childcare and housework so they could get the odd sleep in and a shoulder to cry on.

Why the heck didn&#039;t they move in with each other instead of looking for random slackarse goobers to hang like stones around their necks?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article made no sense at all. She describes two single mothers, best friends, who both want a romance-less domestic partnership to share childcare and housework so they could get the odd sleep in and a shoulder to cry on.</p>
<p>Why the heck didn&#8217;t they move in with each other instead of looking for random slackarse goobers to hang like stones around their necks?</p>
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