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	<title>Comments on: On Tortoises, Hares, and Ferdinands</title>
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		<title>By: idle musings &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Competition</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/01/21/on-tortoises-hares-and-ferdinands/#comment-57751</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[idle musings &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Competition]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 01:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Reader, trying to catch up on everything that I have missed over the past couple of weeks. An excerpt from Shapely Prose reads: I know that some people genuinely thrive on competition, and more power [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Reader, trying to catch up on everything that I have missed over the past couple of weeks. An excerpt from Shapely Prose reads: I know that some people genuinely thrive on competition, and more power [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Noel Lynne Figart</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/01/21/on-tortoises-hares-and-ferdinands/#comment-47802</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Noel Lynne Figart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a pretty dedicated lap swimmer and I found that damn article bloody well absurd.

Did I go from swimming 400 yards a session to a mile a session?  Yep, sure did. 

But a competitive swimmer would have been unlikely to notice it as it took about 18 months of just naturally building up to it to do it.

But for God&#039;s sake, why tell people they&#039;re not moving enough or RIGHT?  Let &#039;em move as they enjoy!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a pretty dedicated lap swimmer and I found that damn article bloody well absurd.</p>
<p>Did I go from swimming 400 yards a session to a mile a session?  Yep, sure did. </p>
<p>But a competitive swimmer would have been unlikely to notice it as it took about 18 months of just naturally building up to it to do it.</p>
<p>But for God&#8217;s sake, why tell people they&#8217;re not moving enough or RIGHT?  Let &#8216;em move as they enjoy!</p>
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		<title>By: Just Be at A Red Headed Stepchild</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/01/21/on-tortoises-hares-and-ferdinands/#comment-40803</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Just Be at A Red Headed Stepchild]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://kateharding.net/2008/01/21/on-tortoises-hares-and-ferdinands/#comment-40803</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[[...] &#8211; &#8220;Thats the problem.&#8221;  I have been mulling over this post at Kate Hardings the Shapely Prose , for the last couple of days. Its a nicely summed up article about the drive to be compete and [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8211; &#8220;Thats the problem.&#8221;  I have been mulling over this post at Kate Hardings the Shapely Prose , for the last couple of days. Its a nicely summed up article about the drive to be compete and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sniper</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/01/21/on-tortoises-hares-and-ferdinands/#comment-40413</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sniper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: trustfundtarians. I hear you. Actor George Sanders once said, &quot;My ambition as a boy was to retire. That has never changed.&quot; I could retire tomorrow (20 years early) and never be bored.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: trustfundtarians. I hear you. Actor George Sanders once said, &#8220;My ambition as a boy was to retire. That has never changed.&#8221; I could retire tomorrow (20 years early) and never be bored.</p>
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		<title>By: MacNabb</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/01/21/on-tortoises-hares-and-ferdinands/#comment-40411</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MacNabb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kate, no “spoiled dilettante” could lead the FA revolution the way you do:  with brains, wit, style, and balls. Long may your bacon-banner wave!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate, no “spoiled dilettante” could lead the FA revolution the way you do:  with brains, wit, style, and balls. Long may your bacon-banner wave!</p>
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		<title>By: sweetmachine</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/01/21/on-tortoises-hares-and-ferdinands/#comment-40410</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sweetmachine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Most (but not all) people talk about the value of earning an honest living as a way to discourage any kind of social welfare, not because they truly respect those who work.&lt;/i&gt;

BINGO. 

Uh, in the good way. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Most (but not all) people talk about the value of earning an honest living as a way to discourage any kind of social welfare, not because they truly respect those who work.</i></p>
<p>BINGO. </p>
<p>Uh, in the good way. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: meowser</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/01/21/on-tortoises-hares-and-ferdinands/#comment-40409</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[meowser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;And it’s not even like practice causes guaranteed improvement on even the tiniest scale. I’ve experienced the phenomenon of practicing really hard and getting worse. I guess I’m just supposed to enjoy sucking really hard. The thing is, there are other things I could do with my time, things at which I suck considerably less.&lt;/em&gt;

I know what you mean.  I suck at bowling.  If I break 100, it&#039;s an unbelievably rare occurrence.  About 75 is more typical.  And yet, I bowl in a league.  I was talked into it by people who &quot;needed a fourth&quot; and there was a giant handicap for me and therefore they insisted that my suckitude would not be an issue for them at all.  I haven&#039;t gotten any better at it and I don&#039;t expect to.  But the team is in first place.  And they think it&#039;s because I function for them as a good luck charm.  And they don&#039;t mind in the slightest that I am terrible, and they genuinely enjoy my company as a person.  Otherwise there&#039;s no way I&#039;d keep doing it.

Yeah, this &quot;dignity of working&quot; thing is a bunch of crap.  It sounds good, but really, anyone who doesn&#039;t have the leisure time to spend 20 hours a week in the gym basically gets spat on in America.  I&#039;d be a trustafarian and do what I love all day in a second if I could.  (Not of course that I actually want anyone I love to die and leave me money.  I&#039;d rather it came from some secondary relative I hadn&#039;t even met more than once or twice when I was too young to remember them.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>And it’s not even like practice causes guaranteed improvement on even the tiniest scale. I’ve experienced the phenomenon of practicing really hard and getting worse. I guess I’m just supposed to enjoy sucking really hard. The thing is, there are other things I could do with my time, things at which I suck considerably less.</em></p>
<p>I know what you mean.  I suck at bowling.  If I break 100, it&#8217;s an unbelievably rare occurrence.  About 75 is more typical.  And yet, I bowl in a league.  I was talked into it by people who &#8220;needed a fourth&#8221; and there was a giant handicap for me and therefore they insisted that my suckitude would not be an issue for them at all.  I haven&#8217;t gotten any better at it and I don&#8217;t expect to.  But the team is in first place.  And they think it&#8217;s because I function for them as a good luck charm.  And they don&#8217;t mind in the slightest that I am terrible, and they genuinely enjoy my company as a person.  Otherwise there&#8217;s no way I&#8217;d keep doing it.</p>
<p>Yeah, this &#8220;dignity of working&#8221; thing is a bunch of crap.  It sounds good, but really, anyone who doesn&#8217;t have the leisure time to spend 20 hours a week in the gym basically gets spat on in America.  I&#8217;d be a trustafarian and do what I love all day in a second if I could.  (Not of course that I actually want anyone I love to die and leave me money.  I&#8217;d rather it came from some secondary relative I hadn&#8217;t even met more than once or twice when I was too young to remember them.)</p>
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		<title>By: alexandraerin</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/01/21/on-tortoises-hares-and-ferdinands/#comment-40401</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[alexandraerin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ugh. The whole class thing. 

My webhost (which is otherwise quite a good service) recently accidentally charged many (or all) of its users for the next, uh, 2 years or so of service all at once. That&#039;s $200-$500, depending on how the accounts were set up. They paid everybody back and then some, even paying overdrafts for folks, but banks being banks it didn&#039;t happen right away and people got understandably touchy about their cashflow problems. 

On the message board where people were talking about this, there was such a division between the people for whom suddenly missing a couple hundred dollars is, y&#039;know, a problem... and I really think that&#039;s probably the vast majority of people... and people for whom it&#039;s apparently not. People were saying, in so many words, that if you couldn&#039;t afford a multi-hundred dollar upset that should never have happened, that you shouldn&#039;t be running a website in the first place... you should be looking for &quot;a real job.&quot; 

Like this billing fuck up was some intrinsic economic barrier that naturally existed in addition to a $10 a month or so fee in order to regulate who had access to the privilege of web presence. If you&#039;re running a cash register or slinging coffee, you ought to know better than to try.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh. The whole class thing. </p>
<p>My webhost (which is otherwise quite a good service) recently accidentally charged many (or all) of its users for the next, uh, 2 years or so of service all at once. That&#8217;s $200-$500, depending on how the accounts were set up. They paid everybody back and then some, even paying overdrafts for folks, but banks being banks it didn&#8217;t happen right away and people got understandably touchy about their cashflow problems. </p>
<p>On the message board where people were talking about this, there was such a division between the people for whom suddenly missing a couple hundred dollars is, y&#8217;know, a problem&#8230; and I really think that&#8217;s probably the vast majority of people&#8230; and people for whom it&#8217;s apparently not. People were saying, in so many words, that if you couldn&#8217;t afford a multi-hundred dollar upset that should never have happened, that you shouldn&#8217;t be running a website in the first place&#8230; you should be looking for &#8220;a real job.&#8221; </p>
<p>Like this billing fuck up was some intrinsic economic barrier that naturally existed in addition to a $10 a month or so fee in order to regulate who had access to the privilege of web presence. If you&#8217;re running a cash register or slinging coffee, you ought to know better than to try.</p>
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		<title>By: Sniper</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/01/21/on-tortoises-hares-and-ferdinands/#comment-40400</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sniper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I must emphasize that I&#039;m not even suggesting that Canada is asshole-free, just that our health and education systems set up opportunities I just don&#039;t see here. I paid for my degree by myself, and a highly-ranked university. My parents didn&#039;t have to take out a loan because my tuition (20 years ago) was $3,000 a year. I just checked and it&#039;s gone up to just under $5,000 a year. I&#039;ve always had regular checkups and treatment for chronic health problems no matter how broke our family was.

Here I see parents way richer than my family was going nuts trying to figure out how to put their kids through college. I have students - several students - who can&#039;t hear well because of untreated ear infections in infancy. Hell, I had a kid with ulcers whose parents resorted to faith healers because they couldn&#039;t afford the treatment. There&#039;s a lot of stuff like that. I realize that there are also absolutely top-notch schools within a few miles of mine, with drama programs, and technology, and great student-teacher ratios, but the existence of these schools doesn&#039;t help my kids one bit.

Sigh. Depressed now.

Sigh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must emphasize that I&#8217;m not even suggesting that Canada is asshole-free, just that our health and education systems set up opportunities I just don&#8217;t see here. I paid for my degree by myself, and a highly-ranked university. My parents didn&#8217;t have to take out a loan because my tuition (20 years ago) was $3,000 a year. I just checked and it&#8217;s gone up to just under $5,000 a year. I&#8217;ve always had regular checkups and treatment for chronic health problems no matter how broke our family was.</p>
<p>Here I see parents way richer than my family was going nuts trying to figure out how to put their kids through college. I have students &#8211; several students &#8211; who can&#8217;t hear well because of untreated ear infections in infancy. Hell, I had a kid with ulcers whose parents resorted to faith healers because they couldn&#8217;t afford the treatment. There&#8217;s a lot of stuff like that. I realize that there are also absolutely top-notch schools within a few miles of mine, with drama programs, and technology, and great student-teacher ratios, but the existence of these schools doesn&#8217;t help my kids one bit.</p>
<p>Sigh. Depressed now.</p>
<p>Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Jae</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/01/21/on-tortoises-hares-and-ferdinands/#comment-40398</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jae]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Speaking as a filthy foreigner who’s lived in the U.S. for seven years, I’m often amazed at how strong the American class system is. I see people who feel entitled to look down on and mistreat “service” workers all the time, something that was pretty rare in Canada. I also see the glorification of dubious celebrity -people who are famous for being famous.&lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;ve smacked the nail on the noggin here!

Honestly, I don&#039;t think people value work.  Most (but not all) people talk about the value of earning an honest living as a way to discourage any kind of social welfare, not because they truly respect those who work.  I have yet to meet a person who worked in a service position who was not treated like an lowly idiot on a daily basis.  My friends and I have been: spit at, insulted, cursed at, had customers do things like pee on the floor to get revenge on us (true story, though not mine).  We&#039;ve been called losers, idiots, mental retards, wastes of life.  We have been told that we are too stupid to perform normal functions.  We have been condescended to.  We have been told that our sole function is to grant our customers every desire, no matter how impossible or degrading.

While I&#039;m sure that not everyone out there is like that, I do believe the many people see only their own value in society, and not anyone elses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Speaking as a filthy foreigner who’s lived in the U.S. for seven years, I’m often amazed at how strong the American class system is. I see people who feel entitled to look down on and mistreat “service” workers all the time, something that was pretty rare in Canada. I also see the glorification of dubious celebrity -people who are famous for being famous.</i></p>
<p>You&#8217;ve smacked the nail on the noggin here!</p>
<p>Honestly, I don&#8217;t think people value work.  Most (but not all) people talk about the value of earning an honest living as a way to discourage any kind of social welfare, not because they truly respect those who work.  I have yet to meet a person who worked in a service position who was not treated like an lowly idiot on a daily basis.  My friends and I have been: spit at, insulted, cursed at, had customers do things like pee on the floor to get revenge on us (true story, though not mine).  We&#8217;ve been called losers, idiots, mental retards, wastes of life.  We have been told that we are too stupid to perform normal functions.  We have been condescended to.  We have been told that our sole function is to grant our customers every desire, no matter how impossible or degrading.</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m sure that not everyone out there is like that, I do believe the many people see only their own value in society, and not anyone elses.</p>
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