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		<title>By: aluchaat</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/01/13/open-for-discussion-i-am/#comment-38059</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Phledge and Jaed. 
And Happy Birthday Kate :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Phledge and Jaed.<br />
And Happy Birthday Kate :D</p>
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		<title>By: jaed</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/01/13/open-for-discussion-i-am/#comment-37949</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[aluchaat, women&#039;s clothing sizes in the US make no sense whatsoever. If you are interested, you need to keep this in mind, because otherwise you will think you&#039;re going insane. It&#039;s not you.

Basically there are (at this time) three size ranges: junior, misses, and women&#039;s. Junior is (mostly) for teenagers. Misses is for smaller women, Women&#039;s is for larger women and is also known as &quot;plus sizes&quot;. (This is not how these ranges started out historically but it&#039;s how they are now.)

Misses sizes are even numbers, usually from 2 to 18 or so. Sometimes you will see 0 or even 00, and on the other end sometimes 20 or 22. There is also small, medium, large, XL.

Junior sizes are odd numbers usually from 1 to 13. A junior size is about the same as one misses size up (so a size 5 is about the same size as a 6), but cut differently for a younger, less mature figure. Theoretically.

Women&#039;s sizes are even numbers with a &quot;W&quot; on the end, usually 16W to 26W. As with misses, some clothing lines have larger or smaller. A women&#039;s size is comparable to one misses size up - so for example, a women&#039;s 18W is about the same size as a misses 20. There is also 1X, 2X, 3X, etc. - these are the equivalent to misses &quot;small&quot;, &quot;medium&quot;, etc.

As for what measurements actually correspond to these sizes, it varies. A lot. Clothing patterns (that you buy to sew your own) are standardized, but sizes for clothes in stores aren&#039;t. The best way to get an idea is to visit some website size charts for retailers such as &lt;a href=&quot;http://about.nordstrom.com/help/find-your-fit/womens.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nordstrom&lt;/a&gt; (Misses and smaller Women&#039;s sizes) or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.roamans.com/Help/Help_SizeCharts.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Roaman&#039;s&lt;/a&gt;  (larger range of women&#039;s sizes) to get a general idea.

(Wrote this before I read Phledge&#039;s comment  but it seems it still  might be helpful... and yes, you have to try everything on, and a lot of stores don&#039;t have women&#039;s sizes. Annoying.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aluchaat, women&#8217;s clothing sizes in the US make no sense whatsoever. If you are interested, you need to keep this in mind, because otherwise you will think you&#8217;re going insane. It&#8217;s not you.</p>
<p>Basically there are (at this time) three size ranges: junior, misses, and women&#8217;s. Junior is (mostly) for teenagers. Misses is for smaller women, Women&#8217;s is for larger women and is also known as &#8220;plus sizes&#8221;. (This is not how these ranges started out historically but it&#8217;s how they are now.)</p>
<p>Misses sizes are even numbers, usually from 2 to 18 or so. Sometimes you will see 0 or even 00, and on the other end sometimes 20 or 22. There is also small, medium, large, XL.</p>
<p>Junior sizes are odd numbers usually from 1 to 13. A junior size is about the same as one misses size up (so a size 5 is about the same size as a 6), but cut differently for a younger, less mature figure. Theoretically.</p>
<p>Women&#8217;s sizes are even numbers with a &#8220;W&#8221; on the end, usually 16W to 26W. As with misses, some clothing lines have larger or smaller. A women&#8217;s size is comparable to one misses size up &#8211; so for example, a women&#8217;s 18W is about the same size as a misses 20. There is also 1X, 2X, 3X, etc. &#8211; these are the equivalent to misses &#8220;small&#8221;, &#8220;medium&#8221;, etc.</p>
<p>As for what measurements actually correspond to these sizes, it varies. A lot. Clothing patterns (that you buy to sew your own) are standardized, but sizes for clothes in stores aren&#8217;t. The best way to get an idea is to visit some website size charts for retailers such as <a href="http://about.nordstrom.com/help/find-your-fit/womens.asp" rel="nofollow">Nordstrom</a> (Misses and smaller Women&#8217;s sizes) or <a href="http://www.roamans.com/Help/Help_SizeCharts.aspx" rel="nofollow">Roaman&#8217;s</a>  (larger range of women&#8217;s sizes) to get a general idea.</p>
<p>(Wrote this before I read Phledge&#8217;s comment  but it seems it still  might be helpful&#8230; and yes, you have to try everything on, and a lot of stores don&#8217;t have women&#8217;s sizes. Annoying.)</p>
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		<title>By: Phledge</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/01/13/open-for-discussion-i-am/#comment-37943</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phledge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aluchaat, we don&#039;t have any idea how US sizes are calculated either, and we live here.  Fact is, sizes are incredibly arbitrary and depend highly on brand, type of clothing, and whether the manufacturer cares if their clothing gets put into plus-size or non-plus-size stores.  I will give you an example from Lands&#039; End, though, since their online sizing chart is pretty detailed:

3X (24-26) = 45 to 48 inches waist, 56 to 58 inches hips.
S (6-8) = 28 to 30 inches waist, 38 to 39 inches hips.

That&#039;s, again, not across the board for all manufacturers, and what it comes down to is that we pretty much have to try on clothes.  Which sucks gigantic horseballs when one tries to order online, given that so many stores (I&#039;m looking at you, you Old Navy fuckwits) have taken to moving their plus-size lines onto teh interwebs.

I love reminders that this blog is reaching people all around the globe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aluchaat, we don&#8217;t have any idea how US sizes are calculated either, and we live here.  Fact is, sizes are incredibly arbitrary and depend highly on brand, type of clothing, and whether the manufacturer cares if their clothing gets put into plus-size or non-plus-size stores.  I will give you an example from Lands&#8217; End, though, since their online sizing chart is pretty detailed:</p>
<p>3X (24-26) = 45 to 48 inches waist, 56 to 58 inches hips.<br />
S (6-8) = 28 to 30 inches waist, 38 to 39 inches hips.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s, again, not across the board for all manufacturers, and what it comes down to is that we pretty much have to try on clothes.  Which sucks gigantic horseballs when one tries to order online, given that so many stores (I&#8217;m looking at you, you Old Navy fuckwits) have taken to moving their plus-size lines onto teh interwebs.</p>
<p>I love reminders that this blog is reaching people all around the globe.</p>
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		<title>By: aluchaat</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/01/13/open-for-discussion-i-am/#comment-37545</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aluchaat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love Kate Harding and I love everyone who make teh blog so so so amazing. I mean all those who comment....

P.s I hope I am not annoying anyone , if I am please remove this part of the comment. But I am an Indian and I have NO idea how size (0,2,4 etc etc) is calculated in the US . I googled but didn&#039;t get anything useful. I understand that for FA movement to really work in my life I need to understand the facts, therefore I am asking. Don&#039;t mean to derail this thread.

and let me be the millionth girl to say it again that all three of you ROCK]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Kate Harding and I love everyone who make teh blog so so so amazing. I mean all those who comment&#8230;.</p>
<p>P.s I hope I am not annoying anyone , if I am please remove this part of the comment. But I am an Indian and I have NO idea how size (0,2,4 etc etc) is calculated in the US . I googled but didn&#8217;t get anything useful. I understand that for FA movement to really work in my life I need to understand the facts, therefore I am asking. Don&#8217;t mean to derail this thread.</p>
<p>and let me be the millionth girl to say it again that all three of you ROCK</p>
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		<title>By: jaed</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/01/13/open-for-discussion-i-am/#comment-37516</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jaed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Watching hot guys kissing each other will make you lose weight? Why wasn&#039;t I informed???

Does this mean that the next time I nerve myself  to go to the doctor, and he insists I must lose weight before treatment of my insulin resistance/bad knee/sinus infection/broken finger can commence, I can request a prescription for hot-guys-kissing videos, and my health plan will pay for it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watching hot guys kissing each other will make you lose weight? Why wasn&#8217;t I informed???</p>
<p>Does this mean that the next time I nerve myself  to go to the doctor, and he insists I must lose weight before treatment of my insulin resistance/bad knee/sinus infection/broken finger can commence, I can request a prescription for hot-guys-kissing videos, and my health plan will pay for it?</p>
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		<title>By: Melena</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/01/13/open-for-discussion-i-am/#comment-37428</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melena]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So yeah, what I did was, I read all the comments over at Dan Savage&#039;s stupid article, right?  And then I had a nap.

I dreamt that I was at a party, discussing fat activism with everyone there. And all the people kept spouting off bingos at me.

So I tried to leave the party, but it turned out the house was like two miles up in the air, and the only way off was to jump off and dive into this little pool all the way on the ground.  My BF was on the ground next to the pool, motioning for me to do it.

Then I woke up.

However, I just watched Alan Rickman kissing Norman Reedus and it&#039;s all better now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So yeah, what I did was, I read all the comments over at Dan Savage&#8217;s stupid article, right?  And then I had a nap.</p>
<p>I dreamt that I was at a party, discussing fat activism with everyone there. And all the people kept spouting off bingos at me.</p>
<p>So I tried to leave the party, but it turned out the house was like two miles up in the air, and the only way off was to jump off and dive into this little pool all the way on the ground.  My BF was on the ground next to the pool, motioning for me to do it.</p>
<p>Then I woke up.</p>
<p>However, I just watched Alan Rickman kissing Norman Reedus and it&#8217;s all better now.</p>
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		<title>By: LeAnn</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/01/13/open-for-discussion-i-am/#comment-37425</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LeAnn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Delurking (I think) to say that this blog is the best blog I have ever seen.  Seriously.  I never thought a blog could actually change my life, but you manged.  I love Kate.  I love all three of you, actually.  And your &quot;regulars&quot;, I love them too.  I love it here, and as of now, I am going to comment more, and tell everyone I know about this blog.
As a fatty since puberty, I thank you.

Also, the new header is full of win.  And the muffin reminds me of high school, when a friend and I decided muffin porn would be the funniest thing ever.  (That&#039;s muffins having sex, not people having sex while covered in muffins, just to clarify.  Although sex in muffins could also be interesting.  I won&#039;t rule anything out.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delurking (I think) to say that this blog is the best blog I have ever seen.  Seriously.  I never thought a blog could actually change my life, but you manged.  I love Kate.  I love all three of you, actually.  And your &#8220;regulars&#8221;, I love them too.  I love it here, and as of now, I am going to comment more, and tell everyone I know about this blog.<br />
As a fatty since puberty, I thank you.</p>
<p>Also, the new header is full of win.  And the muffin reminds me of high school, when a friend and I decided muffin porn would be the funniest thing ever.  (That&#8217;s muffins having sex, not people having sex while covered in muffins, just to clarify.  Although sex in muffins could also be interesting.  I won&#8217;t rule anything out.)</p>
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		<title>By: kateharding</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/01/13/open-for-discussion-i-am/#comment-37395</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kateharding]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;So, would transubstantiated wafer be carbs, or protein?&lt;/i&gt;

BWAH!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So, would transubstantiated wafer be carbs, or protein?</i></p>
<p>BWAH!</p>
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		<title>By: Phledge</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/01/13/open-for-discussion-i-am/#comment-37381</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phledge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, would transubstantiated wafer be carbs, or protein?

Joining in to say that Kate is teh win.  My life has changed dramatically since I&#039;ve been on this website, all for the better.  Except that I&#039;m not paying attention in class right now.  Damn you, Shapely Prose and the Shapelings!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, would transubstantiated wafer be carbs, or protein?</p>
<p>Joining in to say that Kate is teh win.  My life has changed dramatically since I&#8217;ve been on this website, all for the better.  Except that I&#8217;m not paying attention in class right now.  Damn you, Shapely Prose and the Shapelings!</p>
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		<title>By: annaham</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2008/01/13/open-for-discussion-i-am/#comment-37376</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[annaham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kate, just putting in more love for ya, along with the rest of the commenters here. You rule, lady, and your writings have given me great pause and many things to think about. I&#039;m not fat, but I do have a weird (at best) relationship with my body, as well as with food, and a lot of what you&#039;ve written has CHANGED ME FOR THE BETTER. That sounds melodramatic and like something you&#039;d hear on a soap opera, but it&#039;s true! 

I can&#039;t say that Dan Savage&#039;s writing has changed me for the better. :-P]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate, just putting in more love for ya, along with the rest of the commenters here. You rule, lady, and your writings have given me great pause and many things to think about. I&#8217;m not fat, but I do have a weird (at best) relationship with my body, as well as with food, and a lot of what you&#8217;ve written has CHANGED ME FOR THE BETTER. That sounds melodramatic and like something you&#8217;d hear on a soap opera, but it&#8217;s true! </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say that Dan Savage&#8217;s writing has changed me for the better. :-P</p>
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