124 thoughts on “Open for Discussion: I am…

  1. I’m going to declare a preemptive Sanity Watchers warning for that post. Shapelings beware! I suggest that instead we use this thread to talk about how awesome Kate is. WHICH IS A LOT

  2. OMFG! Dan doesn’t hate fat people! He’s only concerned about people who have eating disorders and weigh 400 pounds or more! How on earth would you ever get any other idea?

    Jesus. He’s really, really fucking crazy on the subject of fat. There is absolutely no hope for the man.

  3. Kate is a lot of awesome.

    And she didn’t brainwash me. I was into size acceptance long before she was.

    So in a way, you could say *I* brainwashed *her.*

    (I still can’t bring myself to read the Savage post. I have work to do — for money — and spending a whole day furiously composing a “fuck you” letter, which I’m sure will be inevitable once I do read it, will have to wait until I’ve finished.)

  4. My personal favorite is the comment about how us fatties are all out using up all the tax dollars. haven’t heard that one in AGES.

    I haven’t been to my doctor for anything physical since the last time he blamed everything on my weight, and yet wouldn’t help me. So by my count, I’ve SAVED my health care system money.

    And wow. He’s so mature for his age!

  5. Lord am I sick of people bringing up the argument of: “But some people weigh 400 POUNDS!” when talking about fat.

    Here’s the thing. If this particular 400 pound woman cut out junk food and started exercising more (I’m leaving out the veggie part because contrary to what seems to be popular belief, vegetables do not have magical fat burning properties) would she lose some weight? Maybe, maybe not. Would she lose the 250 pounds or so it would take to get to get down to a “healthy” or socially acceptable weight? There is no way in hell. And if she lost even 40 or 50 pounds, she would be no more acceptable to the Dan Savages of the world than she is now, so what’s the point?

  6. And when are these people going to get that even the vast majority of “obese” people, let alone the “nonobese,” don’t have the genetic capacity to weigh 400 pounds, even if we did eat nothing but baby donuts? (If we set out to gain weight like sumo wrestlers do, maybe, but that’s frigging expensive, not to mention a giant pain in the ass, so most of us will probably pass on the challenge.)

    Fat may not “equal” gay, exactly, but “if we let people eat what they want, everyone will weigh 400 pounds and society will collapse” is not all that different from, “if we let people have sex with whoever they want, then everyone will choose same-sex partners only and we can kiss propagation of the species goodbye.” Really. It’s not. Both statements are pure catastrophizing silliness unworthy of someone of average intelligence, let alone someone of Dan Savage’s intelligence.

  7. What a shame I can’t read that page because the filter here declares it “pornography”. Feel my disappointment, people.

    I feel a bit embarrassed for people who go apopleptic with rage at the idea that fat people might be actual human beings, really. Or maybe aliens are observing us and I feel like apologising to them on behalf of the human race (“Sorry, there are some of us who aren’t egocentric douchebags, I swear”) like having to apologise to everyone for your drunken uncle’s behaviour at your sister’s wedding reception.

  8. Totally Becky! If ALL you’ve been doing is eating, eating, and then drinking vegetable oil you might lose weight by you know…stopping. I should really share his wisdom with all my fat friends who do that. Yeah, that’s the ticket!

  9. You know what?

    I eat fast food.

    And I almost never exercise.*

    And I’m not 400 lbs. I’m not even 200 lbs.
    I’m not obese at all. Barely overweight. Everyone except Hollywood would classify me as “normal” and even “thin”.

    Obviously I’m just doing it wrong.

    OR some people have DIFFERENT BODIES that do things DIFFERENTLY and this is a case of that.

    If Dan is actually inferring that getting to 400 lbs when your body isn’t meant to is as simple as “making some easy decisions” he obviously hasn’t met, um, most of the people in the whole world.

    Because I couldn’t get to 400 lbs if I TRIED. If this woman got there so easily then obviously it’s close to her range, and even if she changed her habits and lost some weight, she’s still be OMG 300+LOTS POUNDS.

    Bell curve. Look it up. There are different ends of the spectrum.

    *(And who is out there bashing ME for these decisions??? Oh, wait. No one. Because I’m not fat, so that makes everything I do perfectly okay. Obviously I walk more and just don’t realise it, or that salads I eat? They’re super salads.)

  10. Becky, AMEN to your comment.

    I couldn’t help commenting. Not that anyone will pay any attention. In some ways I feel almost… better… that the only tired old Fat Hate Bingo argument that really gains traction in these discussions these days (and this is an oversimplification… obviously other “same-shit-different-day” arguments are trotted out every time too, but this seems to be the most persistent) is “But 500 pounds is obviously unhealthy!” I completely dismiss that one for reasons that have been discussed here over and over again in the past, so it’s easier for me to see how silly and obsessive the whole Fat Hate Brigade really is.

  11. Oh, and Time-Machine, I love you (sorry, didn’t see your comment before I posted my first one). That is exactly what I tried to get across over there but I can never say things concisely.

  12. Fat may not “equal” gay, exactly, but “if we let people eat what they want, everyone will weigh 400 pounds and society will collapse” is not all that different from, “if we let people have sex with whoever they want, then everyone will choose same-sex partners only and we can kiss propagation of the species goodbye.”

    And like those guys who go around trying to be all macho saying “If some gay guy tried to come on to me, I’d punch his lights out” ad nauseum, the whole “Fat people eat donuts and pizza all day on the couch, I’m going to shame and humiliate them” is more of the same denial. It’s that whole “devouring the world” thing – if I allow myself to [find the same sex attractive for a moment/enjoy some food without guilt] then I’ll tumble down the slippery slope and find myself [in a leatherdaddy orgy/mainlining lard 24-7].

  13. “I suggest that instead we use this thread to talk about how awesome Kate is. WHICH IS A LOT”

    I’ve officially finished reading every single posting in the archives about 2 minutes ago. It took me about a week, but was worth it. So yes, KATE IS AWESOME.

  14. Oh, my god, Time-Machine! You’re thin? What’s your secret?

    Duh. Obviously, she’s exempt from the laws of thermodynamics.

  15. kate – the very fact that he not only bothered to come up with a response, but posted it for all the world to see, is a clear sign of how powerful you and this blog have truly become.

    So *I* say….CONGRATULATIONS! Rock on with your badass self!

  16. Dan reminds me of my passive-aggressive grandmother, who’d harp on me a few times a week to “lose some weight”, even though she cooked for the household and knew very well how much exercise I got. “I’m only concerned for your health, cuz I used to be a nurse.” As far as she was concerned, the fact that she was a volunteer Army nurse in the war gave her carte-blanche to humiliate me every chance she got – which was a lot, because she made my clothes, too.

  17. Yeah, Kate is totes awesome fer shure. Dan Savage? I feel sorry for him. Seems he can’t be happy unless he’s stirring a turd somewhere. He really should be careful about that, stirred turds can end up splattering all over the stirrer.

  18. Oh, my god, Time-Machine! You’re thin? What’s your secret?

    Well, first I try not to catch fat contagions by wearing a mask around all my fat friends, and then I limit myself to only a dozen baby flavored donuts a day. And immediately after the donuts I make sure to drink lots of milk and watch British television.

    The British TV is the key. See, the accents are at a slightly lower frequency then American voices, so the reverberate in your fat and make it disappear. If the British television involves men snogging each other this burns double calories, because it’s so hot, you see?

  19. Kate,
    I think your blog is seriously changing the lives of unhappy people who have spent their whole lives torturing themselves and trying to conform to some standard that they will never reach. (As well as those of us who knew we propbably “should” be torturing ourselves but just couldn’t bring ourselves to.) Thank You So Much.

  20. KATE IS SO SO AWESOME. now, how long will it take the rest of the world to figure that out? bahhhh

    Keep up the good fight, Kate. It gets amusing after a while, doesn’t it…

  21. If the British television involves men snogging each other this burns double calories, because it’s so hot, you see?

    Right! Right! Because the hot is thermogenic. Dang. I only watch about four hours of British television a week and it’s all news and Masterpiece Theatre.

    Bring me Colin Firth and Alan Rickman kissing, stat! It’s for my health!

  22. Time-Machine, I never even THOUGHT of that. OMG. It’s so simple it’s brilliant.
    QUICK! Write a diet book!

    Also, yes. Kate with teh awesome for a win.

  23. Bring me Colin Firth and Alan Rickman kissing, stat! It’s for my health!

    Oh, Sniper…you…are the DEVIL. An awesome, awesome devil.

    On my bad days, when I’m despairing and feeling like shit, I’ll come here and it never fails to strengthen my resolve. A 21-baby-flavored-donut salute for Kate and all of us!

  24. Kate really is awesome (and I’m not just saying that because she liked my comment on the douchehound thread).

    :::giggles uncontrollably:::

    Runs off to check Torchwood premiere episode countdown clock. Mmmmm…. hotness….

  25. Runs off to check Torchwood premiere episode countdown clock. Mmmmm…. hotness….

    BIG TORCHWOOD NEWS!!!

    Okay, so you know how it was supposed to premiere on the 16th in the UK and the 26th in the US?

    Well, that’s still true, for BBC2 and BBC America.

    But the HD version is starting on HDNet in the US TOMORROW.

    As in, Tomorrow, Monday Night, 7pm Eastern Standard Time.

    I CAN FEEL THE FAT MELTING AWAY ALREADY.

  26. Kate is a fabulous, bright, relevant, talented, witty, girl who is making her mark in history as we speak. Kate will be remembered for leading and popularizing the FA cause. Kate will be spoken of when “size” is added to the legal list of folks who can no longer be dicriminated against.

    No wonder Savage is jealous & spewing. I suspect Kate is everything he wishes he could be.

    I also suspect that Savage had some childhood trauma involving a person of size. Perhaps a “fat” child teased him, sat on him or abused him in some way. Or maybe he had a cruel “fat” nanny. IMHO, there HAS to be more to it than “concern”.

  27. If the British television involves men snogging each other this burns double calories, because it’s so hot, you see?

    Isn’t that one of the “Never tell the fatties” rules they made us swear by at the “Not Fat Super Sekrit Meeting” last July? Dude, you’re so not getting your gold star this year….

  28. “But you know what, Kate? There’s a difference between big or or heavy or stocky and morbidly fucking obese.”

    Yeah, Kate, did you know that? I think you need to take another look at that BMI chart of yours and check if you’re big, heavy, stocky, or morbidly fucking obese.

    You gotta be fucking kidding us, DAN. But you know what, DAN – may I call you Dan just because you piss me off so much? – just because someone has health problems because of being 400 pounds, it doesn’t make permanent weight loss possible.

    I love the new banner. And I agree that all this only shows how powerful you are. Rock on.

  29. Yeah, Kate, did you know that? I think you need to take another look at that BMI chart of yours and check if you’re big, heavy, stocky, or morbidly fucking obese.

    Okay, the BMI people totally need to make these into categories. This made me laugh out loud.

    “My BMI says I’m stocky. Where are you?”

    “Me? Oh, I’m morbidly fucking obese.”

    “But I thought obese people didn’t fuck?”

    “Apparently they only do it morbidly.”

    “Ah.”

    (note on this conversation: I envision it with high class New England accents, taking place in a fancy hotel lobby in New York or a beach house in Maine. Someone wears a monocle – for no real reason. There’s a lovely clam chowder smell. Once the conversation is finished we see some lovely birds fly by.)

  30. Oh there are many, many, many secrets of being an XS.

    Commandment #1: Eat loads and loads of pasta, with TONS of cheddar, Parmesan, and mozzarella cheese. And spices, of course. 2-3 helpings every time pasta is made.

    Commandment #2: Oh. Chocolate exists to be loved, and so do those little bottled Frappuchinos (if you don’t live within close proximity of a Starbucks/any coffee shop), and Cold Stone Creamery Sweet Cream Ice Cream whenever the pocketbook allows. Oh. Decadent mochas with whipped cream on top from the coffee shop 20 minutes away.

    Commandment #3: Sundays are “you” days. Spend Sundays with your sweats-wearing behind stapled to the disk chair playing Call of Duty or GTA. GTA magically keeps the fat off. It does.

    Commandment #4: Thou shalt never place foot on what is known as a “treadmill”. Gyms are fine, just no treadmill.

    Commandment #5: Indian food is a ++++++++. It’s sooo magical. <3

    PS: Kate is totally awesome.

  31. If anything, Kate, your blog has helped me discover a better relationship with food. Your post about there being no shortage of food I might have been prevented from eating in childhood struck a chord – while I was in the dieting cycle, it was nothing for me to buy half a pound of sweets, or a family-size block of chocolate, or ten tubs of diet pudding, and eat it in a single sitting, because in my mind, I may have never had the chance to eat that again, ever!

    At least for now, that smaller block of chocolate in the cupboard takes a couple of weeks to eat, when I take a piece whenever I want, and more to the point, openly in front of my friends and loved ones. At least for now, I don’t choose fast food only because my mind was so preoccupied by food that there was little I could do to control my eating patterns: in fact, since reading your blog for the first time over a month ago, I haven’t had any fast food, crisps, sweets, or whatever might be determined as “junk food” because I know I can eat them when I want to – but the imperative is gone.

    I feel sorry for Dan because he hates himself, and I know how shitty that feels because I used to hate myself, and people even heavier than me. His eating is probably so restrictive and boring that all he thinks about is his weight, or the weight of others. Thanks to FA and HAES, I’ve started running, and auditioning for plays I previously discounted myself from, and spending time with my friends.

  32. Awesome! I want to be a BMI category scientist when I grow up! There’d be everything from “lusciously buxom”, “slightly fucking wobbly”, “fit but definitely well padded”, “a teensy bit on the soft side” to “damn fucking gargantuan”.

  33. Dear Kate Harding,

    I adore you and want to be just like you when I grow up!

    I plan to write one of my college essays on you if there are any questions regarding “who do you admire”.

    As a proud Washingtonian, I am very ashamed of Dan Savage and will tell him so if I ever run into him. Us western Washingtonians are supposed to be accepting people! Dan better stay away from Olympia lol

  34. oh but one thing Kate? What is this thing Savage is saying about you making up stuff/not posting screen shots? Can you elaborate?

    I believe you, I just don’t understand what the heck he is talking about

  35. As long as we’re doing the whole “Kate is awesome”/personal affirmation thing…

    I thought I’d come to terms with my a size a couple years ago, but this blog made me realize how often I was still gorging myself on tasty (“bad”) food because it was there and because I could. I used to jokingly pretend to read off the label: “Serving Size: 1 Container. Number of Servings Per Container: 1.”

    Get a box of yummy doughnuts from Entemann’s? Eat them all at once. Order a pizza with my roommate? Take my half away on a plate. Get a box of four of those oversized-unfrosted-cupcakes-that-are-sold-as-“muffins” from my grocery store’s bakery? Try to eat all of them before anybody else finds out I bought them and asks for one.

    I was fine with my size, but I obviously wasn’t fine with food.

    Also, my stomach hurt a lot, for obvious reasons.

    Now, if I buy a box of Entemann’s doughnuts, I eat one or two delicious moist devil’s food cake circlets a day. I have two slices of pizza and that delectable gourmet treat, cold pizza, the next day. A pint of chunky fudge brownie ice cream can be enjoyed over the course of a day or longer instead of forced down my throat so fast my tongue’s complaining it wasn’t even notified of the shipment.

    I eat what I want, when I want it… and only as much as I want.

    Life is good.

    Kate is awesome.

    That is all.

  36. I’m thinking I should also compile a video of all the John Barrowman kissing. He’s done lots.

    There has got to be some rule on the internet that says that all heated arguments/rants eventually dissolve into boys kissing. Not complaining, mind you, just sayin’.

  37. KATE IS SO SO AWESOME. now, how long will it take the rest of the world to figure that out?

    Less time, now that Dan has kindly directed his readers our way. Every time that happens, we get a sprinkling of trolls, and a few more people go “holy shit, I don’t have to hate my body and myself??” We got one trackback (that I saw) from the Violent Acres link, and it was a woman basically saying “I just saw this linked from VA, and I think it might change my life.” Even with the douchehounds, the tradeoff is so worth it.

    Keep ‘em coming, Savage.

    (Also, Time Machine is cracking my shit up tonight. Also worth the tradeoff.)

  38. Jesus. He’s really, really fucking crazy on the subject of fat.

    I initially misread “crazy” as “lazy”. Because it’s certainly fitting — he doesn’t care to devote any mental energy at all to actually understanding the science and philosophy behind the FA movement.

    And what a joke his defense was. First, the accusation that Kate took his comments out of context (implying therefore that her criticism is moot,) as if they wouldn’t apply equally to any person he personally deemed too-fat and fat-by-choice, is just disingenuous. Second, damn, now he’s just making stuff up — no one here has ever said that eating and exercise choices don’t affect weight. Of course they do. It doesn’t follow that more than a small percentage of fat people can get thin in a way that is life-affirming and that doesn’t hurt them.

  39. Kate, I love the banner…bacon, a muffin and a cheeseburger! I love that you took what Dan said and made it your own…it’s pretty much the internet equivalent of flipping him off.

  40. Wait…so this is the thread where we put lovin’ all over Kate’s comment box?

    Ok, so I’ll say what was on the other thread again (’cause compliments should come in bunches, like flowers): Kate, you are made of awesome. Whenever you (and/or the crew!) come to Dallas, I owe you a drink.

  41. The best I can do is Alan Rickman kissing Norman Reedus.

    Whoa. I stood up after watching and and one asscheek fell clean off.

    But then I walked by a piece of cake and it painfully reattached itself, like a breast.

  42. Kate, you’re awesome. I know it sucks for you, but stuff like this makes me so proud to have discovered the FA movement. I hope we can all piss people off a whole bunch more, so that my future fat children don’t have to deal with this crap.

    The British TV is the key. See, the accents are at a slightly lower frequency then American voices, so the reverberate in your fat and make it disappear. If the British television involves men snogging each other this burns double calories, because it’s so hot, you see?

    Yep, and if you add the trilled welsh r, it basically acts like a vibrating belt machine – melts away the fat. And lord know that watching hot men in three-piece suits and suspenders increases my heart rate. Thus, watching Torchwood is aerobic exercise.

  43. But the HD version is starting on HDNet in the US TOMORROW.

    OMFG!!!!!111!!!!!! Must get home in time from work. Sorry boss.

    P.S. Yay Kate! BTW fillyjonk and sweet machine are pretty groovy, too.

  44. But then I walked by a piece of cake and it painfully reattached itself, like a breast.

    I was going to wait for my diet book to release this (because, like, how am I going to make any money if I tell you straight out?), but you have to wait one hour after watching boy-kissing before you can walk within 20 feet of cake, or else it might cause painful-fat-breast-impersonating-reattachment-syndrome (otherwise known as Fatclingeritis).

    Also, you might get cramps and drown.

  45. I forgot to say that Kate is ultra super-duper awesome, and if I ever meet her I will probably embarrass myself by blubbering all over her in expression of my appreciation for all her fine work here.

    Also, I think I have a crush on Time-Machine.

  46. Also, I think I have a crush on Time-Machine.

    Back off! She’s mine!

    Actually, I believe that in cyberspace you can legally marry an entire community. Or at least, cyberlegally.

  47. I know I’m totally awesome and have no problems whatsoever and everything, but let’s be honest people.

    If I’m a hero, I’m definitely a superhero with pink hair and thus have no time for relationships, except the kind where I say something witty and profound and then fly off into the night.

  48. If I’m a hero, I’m definitely a superhero with pink hair and thus have no time for relationships, except the kind where I say something witty and profound and then fly off into the night.

    Can’t we all spare a tear for poor Constable Rocket?

  49. Kate, what you do here is done well. It’s done with considerable thought, insight, and professionalism, and with no small measure of compassion and inspiration. What you do is important–it matters and it changes things for the better for everyone, and especially for those who really need change. You are awesome, and despite (if I may quote John Waters) a whole lot of ugly coming at you from a never-ending parade of stupid, you are making a huge positive difference.

    You are in fact, totally awesome, and absolutely worthy of your bacon mascot. Anybody who says otherwise can go to hell.

  50. When I lived in Seattle, all of my friends were gay, outspoken, and intelligent. They introduced me to all kinds of amazing writing. I was really surprised that I never heard of this guy. Now, I understand why.

  51. mmm I love bacon. And now I can love it even more since it will be associated with the great Kate Harding.

    I can’t say it enough, but Kate and the Shapling Family totally rocks.

  52. Kate freakin’ rocks! Period.

    Alot of these fat phobes are deluded and misinformed about the fat acceptance movement. It doesn’t matter if someone weighs 400 lbs or not , that leaves no right for any persons or industry to treat them like they do not exist. Oh! and don’t fat people pay taxes too?

    guess not.

    Kate you are lovely. You own me.

  53. you are win
    for many reasons
    one of which is the blog’s heading/banner thing that just changed.
    yay bacon man :D
    but do not forget muffin man, and burger dude! or the cute little sheriff star :3

  54. Hah, at the risk of sounding unoriginal: Kate is incerdibly awesome indeed!!

    I also don’t know why that savage dude is whining about “not being allowed” to say what he’s saying. of course he’s allowed. he says it. and kate says what she says. and if by “not allowed” he means it’s not socially acceptable, puh-leeze. i only WISH we lived in a world where what he was saying is looked down on and what kate is saying is accepted. (esp since all the evidence shows what kate is saying is true and what he is saying is bollocks but whatev.) sadly, things are still the other way around. but hopefully it’s getting better.

    *does a little dance for kate’s awesomeness*

  55. Cggirl, I think he means it’s not allowed on this blog, or on other FA blogs, or in their still-rare meatspace equivalents. But unless Seattle has suddenly become a hotbed of fat liberation the likes of which the world has never seen in the 3 years since I’ve lived there, I can’t think of too many other places where he’d actually be shown the door for insisting that fat people were disgusting donut-snorters.

  56. I also don’t know why that savage dude is whining about “not being allowed” to say what he’s saying. of course he’s allowed.

    Yeah, it’s kinda like the people who whine, “Why can’t you just shut up and let people diet if they want to?” Gee, I’m sorry, I didn’t know the existence of my blog was stopping people who really, really want to diet from doing so. Or abridging Dan Savage’s freedom of speech. Evidently, blogging is more powerful than I’ve been led to believe.

  57. Woo, some of those comments over there from the rabid Savage fans. Yikes.

    Kate, be honest, you ran over Helen’s puppy didn’t you?

    And then ate it.

    (And since a person can never hear it too much, I think your writing is amazing and truthful and witty).

  58. Kate, be honest, you ran over Helen’s puppy didn’t you?

    Oh, christ, is she still at it? I have no idea who she is, but I saw a couple comments from her before I posted and then walked away with no intention of going back, on account of Sanity Watchers. Unless she actually IS Violent Acres, and therefore cuh-razy, I have no fucking clue what’s up her ass where I’m concerned.

  59. I think I just saw the same comments you did. But yeesh.

    Regardless, you are awesome and I ate an extra cupcake just for you. The angry bacon was consumed earlier.

  60. Whoa. I stood up after watching and and one asscheek fell clean off.

    But then I walked by a piece of cake and it painfully reattached itself, like a breast.

    Sniper, can I be your house-elf? So I can give you the worship you deserve for that? Seriously, I almost peed myself.

    KATE ROCKS! She rocks like a kitten and a puppy that work as a crime-fighting ninja team. Adorably sweet, lovely, and able to totally kick the shit out of those who deserve it.

  61. I’m having to exercise every shred of willpower I possess (that’s right, BOTH of them) to not go back and add to the thread… my utterly-non-dietary New Year’s Resolution is to waste less time in 2008 arguing with the, ah, shall we say “Reality Resistant”. I can’t afford it. I’ve got stuff to do.

  62. Sniper, can I be your house-elf? So I can give you the worship you deserve for that? Seriously, I almost peed myself.

    I don’t really need a house elf, but if you’re ever in the Denver area, come over and we’ll watch hot men kiss until our butts fall off, and then we’ll eat cake.

  63. Kate does indeed rock! It’s one of my major life philosophies that if you piss off stupid people, you’re definitely doing something right, and I think it applies here. So, woohoo!

    And Time Machine, about that Alan Rickman video…*dies*

  64. What is this thing Savage is saying about you making up stuff/not posting screen shots? Can you elaborate?

    I believe you, I just don’t understand what the heck he is talking about

    Oh, and this… I haven’t looked in a while, and like I said, don’t intend to. But I assume it’s that I merely quoted the e-mail with random guy’s IP and e-mail addy, instead of providing a screen shot.

    Screenshot is here, and all the relevant info is here.

  65. also every time I read this blog my first thought is I LOVE SHAPELY PROSE. seriously, after every post. you guys rock so hard.

  66. But I assume it’s that I merely quoted the e-mail with random guy’s IP and e-mail addy, instead of providing a screen shot.

    Also, you neglected to produce demonchild in the flesh, or even a lousy tissue sample. Also, you haven’t read every single article available in English concerning weight loss, nutrition, diet and endocrinology. Most unforgiveable, you haven’t been persuaded to fat hatred.

    That’s about it.

  67. This is the love thread?

    Then I must admit that, despite being straight, I have a total girl-crush on Kate.

    That is all.

  68. @Michelle,

    I fuckin’ hear you about the tax dollar thing.

    First of all, we’re spending BILLIONS of dollars on a war. So complain about that for a little while.

    Second of all, do thin people never get sick and use their insurance? I mean, jesus, isn’t that what insurance is for? I know my husband and I pay for insurance, do we not get to use it because we’re teh fat? (I’m sure we’re lucky we got it at all, since we are fat)

  69. Can’t we all spare a tear for poor Constable Rocket?

    fillyjoink, I nearly peed myself from that link. Thank you for that.

  70. Yellowhammer, I can tell you, everything I’ve been to the doctor for (including psychiatrists, those count too) is stuff I’ve had to go to the doctor for over the years regardless of my weight. There is no magic weight at which I would not have to see a doctor, or would have to go less often. So what they’re really kvetching about is that I didn’t kill myself over a bad DNA draw.

  71. Oh, and this… I haven’t looked in a while, and like I said, don’t intend to

    Okay, wait, I AM a dirty liar, as it turns out. I went back there and posted the new info. And blew ALL my Sanity Watchers points.

    Seriously, if “Helen” isn’t VA? Then I really want to know who she is and what I did to her.

    Also…

    Also, you neglected to produce demonchild in the flesh, or even a lousy tissue sample.

    Hee!

  72. RANDOM ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE DAY:

    I am sitting slothfully in my bed right now AND EATING LOTS OF WHOPPERS CANDY.

    And?

    It’s fantastic.

  73. Adding to the chorus of those who love Kate!

    And I’m totally developing a crush on Time-Machine AND Sniper.

    PS. This blog rocks.

  74. I also don’t know why that savage dude is whining about “not being allowed” to say what he’s saying. of course he’s allowed.

    Yeah, it’s kinda like the people who whine, “Why can’t you just shut up and let people diet if they want to?”

    It reminded me also of a guy I was forced to put up with yesterday, who wanted to know how come he had to be so respectful of other people’s cultures, but he’s not allowed to do things like deny people the right to civil marriage because he feels his way of life is being threatened. Like, um, yes, actually, you are “allowed” to do that, and in fact the people in power will encourage you. Sure, it makes you an asshole, and sure, complaining about how come other people can “oppress” you but you’re not allowed to oppress anyone else makes you a total grade-A mega-asshole. But you’re allowed to do lots of stuff that makes you an asshole. You just don’t get to do it AND not be an asshole at the same time.

  75. RE: Morbid fucking obesity — I’m picturing this literally.
    Morbid = image of the grim reaper, getting it on with Obesity = I’m picturing a woman from a Rubens painting.
    It’s not doing anything for me.

  76. Okay, I know I shouldn’t have gone into to comments of that stupid Dan post, but I totally did. And there I saw something that made me choke on my baby flavoured donuts from laughter. I’m not sure if this is serious or snark, but in either case it’s genius.

    Ready for this?

    fat people hate jesus

    Hehehehehehehe.

  77. Now that you’re the Codependent Thought Police, is the Embodiment of Everything Wrong with Feminism title back up for grabs? Cuz a lot of us have been eyeing that one for a while…

  78. Okay this is totally off topic, but i have to know – what are baby-flavored donuts?
    Surely they don’t actually taste like… babies??!!

  79. Kate Harding rocks because she inspires people like me to write more, which then inspires more people who never heard of fat acceptance to love their bodies as they are and actually take care of them instead of punishing them for not fitting into an arbitrary cultural standard of beauty.

    Time-Machine just rocks! I’ve got a total crush.

  80. fat people hate jesus

    It’s true, we do. Every time I take Communion, I look up at the crucifix and think, “He was effortlessly skinny, the bastard.”

  81. fat people hate jesus

    It wasn’t the Jews.

    It wasn’t the Romans.

    It wasn’t God’s ineffable will.

    It was the fatties.

    And they ate him.

    This is where communion came from.

  82. Now that you’re the Codependent Thought Police, is the Embodiment of Everything Wrong with Feminism title back up for grabs? Cuz a lot of us have been eyeing that one for a while…

    Ha! All yours, fat fu.

    Okay this is totally off topic, but i have to know – what are baby-flavored donuts?
    Surely they don’t actually taste like… babies??!!

    cggirl, there was a convo in comments a while back — which I’m too lazy to find again — where somebody said one of the usual, “GOD! Why does everyone think fat people are horrible?”-type laments.

    I said something like, “Well, honestly, I eat babies. But that’s just me. Not all fat people do.”

    And Fillyjonk, absolutely brilliantly, said, “Don’t fill up on babies! LEAVE ROOM FOR DONUTS!”

    So I allowed as how I kill two birds with one stone by eating baby-flavored donuts. And the legend was born.

  83. Every time I take Communion, I look up at the crucifix and think, “He was effortlessly skinny, the bastard.”

    Ellie, I almost just choked on my baby donut!

  84. So it ain’t the water in the lettuce, the cough drops, or even the baby donuts — it’s the Jesus calories!

    I wonder how long ’til the counselors for Weight Watchers catch on. How many points d’you suppose a transubstantiated wafer would be?

  85. Kate, just putting in more love for ya, along with the rest of the commenters here. You rule, lady, and your writings have given me great pause and many things to think about. I’m not fat, but I do have a weird (at best) relationship with my body, as well as with food, and a lot of what you’ve written has CHANGED ME FOR THE BETTER. That sounds melodramatic and like something you’d hear on a soap opera, but it’s true!

    I can’t say that Dan Savage’s writing has changed me for the better. :-P

  86. So, would transubstantiated wafer be carbs, or protein?

    Joining in to say that Kate is teh win. My life has changed dramatically since I’ve been on this website, all for the better. Except that I’m not paying attention in class right now. Damn you, Shapely Prose and the Shapelings!

  87. Delurking (I think) to say that this blog is the best blog I have ever seen. Seriously. I never thought a blog could actually change my life, but you manged. I love Kate. I love all three of you, actually. And your “regulars”, I love them too. I love it here, and as of now, I am going to comment more, and tell everyone I know about this blog.
    As a fatty since puberty, I thank you.

    Also, the new header is full of win. And the muffin reminds me of high school, when a friend and I decided muffin porn would be the funniest thing ever. (That’s muffins having sex, not people having sex while covered in muffins, just to clarify. Although sex in muffins could also be interesting. I won’t rule anything out.)

  88. So yeah, what I did was, I read all the comments over at Dan Savage’s stupid article, right? And then I had a nap.

    I dreamt that I was at a party, discussing fat activism with everyone there. And all the people kept spouting off bingos at me.

    So I tried to leave the party, but it turned out the house was like two miles up in the air, and the only way off was to jump off and dive into this little pool all the way on the ground. My BF was on the ground next to the pool, motioning for me to do it.

    Then I woke up.

    However, I just watched Alan Rickman kissing Norman Reedus and it’s all better now.

  89. Watching hot guys kissing each other will make you lose weight? Why wasn’t I informed???

    Does this mean that the next time I nerve myself to go to the doctor, and he insists I must lose weight before treatment of my insulin resistance/bad knee/sinus infection/broken finger can commence, I can request a prescription for hot-guys-kissing videos, and my health plan will pay for it?

  90. I love Kate Harding and I love everyone who make teh blog so so so amazing. I mean all those who comment….

    P.s I hope I am not annoying anyone , if I am please remove this part of the comment. But I am an Indian and I have NO idea how size (0,2,4 etc etc) is calculated in the US . I googled but didn’t get anything useful. I understand that for FA movement to really work in my life I need to understand the facts, therefore I am asking. Don’t mean to derail this thread.

    and let me be the millionth girl to say it again that all three of you ROCK

  91. Aluchaat, we don’t have any idea how US sizes are calculated either, and we live here. Fact is, sizes are incredibly arbitrary and depend highly on brand, type of clothing, and whether the manufacturer cares if their clothing gets put into plus-size or non-plus-size stores. I will give you an example from Lands’ End, though, since their online sizing chart is pretty detailed:

    3X (24-26) = 45 to 48 inches waist, 56 to 58 inches hips.
    S (6-8) = 28 to 30 inches waist, 38 to 39 inches hips.

    That’s, again, not across the board for all manufacturers, and what it comes down to is that we pretty much have to try on clothes. Which sucks gigantic horseballs when one tries to order online, given that so many stores (I’m looking at you, you Old Navy fuckwits) have taken to moving their plus-size lines onto teh interwebs.

    I love reminders that this blog is reaching people all around the globe.

  92. aluchaat, women’s clothing sizes in the US make no sense whatsoever. If you are interested, you need to keep this in mind, because otherwise you will think you’re going insane. It’s not you.

    Basically there are (at this time) three size ranges: junior, misses, and women’s. Junior is (mostly) for teenagers. Misses is for smaller women, Women’s is for larger women and is also known as “plus sizes”. (This is not how these ranges started out historically but it’s how they are now.)

    Misses sizes are even numbers, usually from 2 to 18 or so. Sometimes you will see 0 or even 00, and on the other end sometimes 20 or 22. There is also small, medium, large, XL.

    Junior sizes are odd numbers usually from 1 to 13. A junior size is about the same as one misses size up (so a size 5 is about the same size as a 6), but cut differently for a younger, less mature figure. Theoretically.

    Women’s sizes are even numbers with a “W” on the end, usually 16W to 26W. As with misses, some clothing lines have larger or smaller. A women’s size is comparable to one misses size up – so for example, a women’s 18W is about the same size as a misses 20. There is also 1X, 2X, 3X, etc. – these are the equivalent to misses “small”, “medium”, etc.

    As for what measurements actually correspond to these sizes, it varies. A lot. Clothing patterns (that you buy to sew your own) are standardized, but sizes for clothes in stores aren’t. The best way to get an idea is to visit some website size charts for retailers such as Nordstrom (Misses and smaller Women’s sizes) or Roaman’s (larger range of women’s sizes) to get a general idea.

    (Wrote this before I read Phledge’s comment but it seems it still might be helpful… and yes, you have to try everything on, and a lot of stores don’t have women’s sizes. Annoying.)

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