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		<title>By: Godless Heathen</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/19/speaking-up/#comment-30830</link>
		<dc:creator>Godless Heathen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 07:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m the only non-minority in my office, and my job is related to minority rights.  When I heard anti-fat talk, pro-diet talk, and just generally food-obsessed talk in my office space, I bit my tongue and didn&#039;t speak up.  I&#039;m a member of a privileged group, I was in a minority space, at that moment in time it was more important for me to keep my mind on my work than make my workplace about the white chick and her issues.  It killed me to sit quietly and not get into an argument, to the point where I got permission from my boss to listen to music while I work so I&#039;m not tempted to get into it with my co-workers.  In this one space, I remind myself that I leave my privilege at the door and simply say &quot;How can I help?&quot;

I hate the diet industry so much for making the lovely enthusiastic women I work with throw so much energy into obsessing about their weight.  There&#039;s really no other place on Earth I&#039;ve been where it&#039;s been more clear that there are more important things to worry about than counting calories and points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the only non-minority in my office, and my job is related to minority rights.  When I heard anti-fat talk, pro-diet talk, and just generally food-obsessed talk in my office space, I bit my tongue and didn&#8217;t speak up.  I&#8217;m a member of a privileged group, I was in a minority space, at that moment in time it was more important for me to keep my mind on my work than make my workplace about the white chick and her issues.  It killed me to sit quietly and not get into an argument, to the point where I got permission from my boss to listen to music while I work so I&#8217;m not tempted to get into it with my co-workers.  In this one space, I remind myself that I leave my privilege at the door and simply say &#8220;How can I help?&#8221;</p>
<p>I hate the diet industry so much for making the lovely enthusiastic women I work with throw so much energy into obsessing about their weight.  There&#8217;s really no other place on Earth I&#8217;ve been where it&#8217;s been more clear that there are more important things to worry about than counting calories and points.</p>
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		<title>By: Holls</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/19/speaking-up/#comment-30780</link>
		<dc:creator>Holls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rose, that was so sweet and sad.  My bf came to priveledge as an adult and he struggles with it so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rose, that was so sweet and sad.  My bf came to priveledge as an adult and he struggles with it so much.</p>
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		<title>By: kateharding</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/19/speaking-up/#comment-30752</link>
		<dc:creator>kateharding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I think she’s genuinely trying to sort out who she is and who she wants to be.&lt;/i&gt;

And you know, that&#039;s fine, but why do you have to do it on the pages of Newsweek? Try a therapist&#039;s office, or the coffeehouse with your best friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think she’s genuinely trying to sort out who she is and who she wants to be.</i></p>
<p>And you know, that&#8217;s fine, but why do you have to do it on the pages of Newsweek? Try a therapist&#8217;s office, or the coffeehouse with your best friend.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/19/speaking-up/#comment-30739</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too true, Rose.

&lt;i&gt;It’s just difficult for me to read, without getting angry, an article that is chock full of anti-fat stuff, written by someone who’s bought the booga booga and rolled the WLS dice, titled “I don’t share your opinions of fat people” but containing not much evidence that that’s true.&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, I completely get your point and while I&#039;m not angered by her inability to speak up, I do feel saddened that Northrup feels and acts this way.  I would also love to see Newsweek publish a story by a fat person who isn&#039;t ashamed or insecure about their size.  There&#039;s plenty of us on this site alone.   But I guess I just can&#039;t find fault with Northrup because at one time, I was her.  At one time, I think many of us were a lot like her, actually.    

(I do have to point out some well-meaning editor probably titled the article and not Northrup.  They probably edited the story too, ,so it might not be as she originally presented it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too true, Rose.</p>
<p><i>It’s just difficult for me to read, without getting angry, an article that is chock full of anti-fat stuff, written by someone who’s bought the booga booga and rolled the WLS dice, titled “I don’t share your opinions of fat people” but containing not much evidence that that’s true.</i></p>
<p>Oh, I completely get your point and while I&#8217;m not angered by her inability to speak up, I do feel saddened that Northrup feels and acts this way.  I would also love to see Newsweek publish a story by a fat person who isn&#8217;t ashamed or insecure about their size.  There&#8217;s plenty of us on this site alone.   But I guess I just can&#8217;t find fault with Northrup because at one time, I was her.  At one time, I think many of us were a lot like her, actually.    </p>
<p>(I do have to point out some well-meaning editor probably titled the article and not Northrup.  They probably edited the story too, ,so it might not be as she originally presented it.)</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/19/speaking-up/#comment-30737</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just based on the responses, I think some of us were reading different articles.  Some read her as saying &quot;Now that I&#039;m thin I get to be in the kewl kids club and I just keep my mouth shut so I get to stay here.&quot; and some of us read &quot;I&#039;ve sat by in silence while people have said some very vicious things about fat people, I&#039;ve tried to disconnect myself from my former fat self but it&#039;s not working.  I want to do better than this.&quot;

Funny how people can see different stories in the same words!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just based on the responses, I think some of us were reading different articles.  Some read her as saying &#8220;Now that I&#8217;m thin I get to be in the kewl kids club and I just keep my mouth shut so I get to stay here.&#8221; and some of us read &#8220;I&#8217;ve sat by in silence while people have said some very vicious things about fat people, I&#8217;ve tried to disconnect myself from my former fat self but it&#8217;s not working.  I want to do better than this.&#8221;</p>
<p>Funny how people can see different stories in the same words!</p>
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		<title>By: Tari</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/19/speaking-up/#comment-30734</link>
		<dc:creator>Tari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to be clear that I do understand we&#039;re talking about a human being here, with all the complexities that entails....and I have sympathy that finding balance in the midst of transition is not an overnight process.

It&#039;s just difficult for me to read, without getting angry, an article that is chock full of anti-fat stuff, written by someone who&#039;s bought the booga booga and rolled the WLS dice, titled &quot;I don&#039;t share your opinions of fat people&quot; but containing not much evidence that that&#039;s true.  Setting aside entirely any criticisms or judgments, it&#039;s just not easy to read, and it feels a little bit like a bait-and-switch.

I hope Northrup finds her center and comes to a place of feeling able to speak up when she disagrees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to be clear that I do understand we&#8217;re talking about a human being here, with all the complexities that entails&#8230;.and I have sympathy that finding balance in the midst of transition is not an overnight process.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just difficult for me to read, without getting angry, an article that is chock full of anti-fat stuff, written by someone who&#8217;s bought the booga booga and rolled the WLS dice, titled &#8220;I don&#8217;t share your opinions of fat people&#8221; but containing not much evidence that that&#8217;s true.  Setting aside entirely any criticisms or judgments, it&#8217;s just not easy to read, and it feels a little bit like a bait-and-switch.</p>
<p>I hope Northrup finds her center and comes to a place of feeling able to speak up when she disagrees.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/19/speaking-up/#comment-30727</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I support her to find her strength and her voice.  She&#039;s already ashamed, so I&#039;m not sure how shaming her for her shame furthers the cause of fat acceptance or anything else.  She needs to learn to be proud of herself no matter what her size and stand up to haters and I hope she does.  I was moved by her, she sounded like she was in a lot of pain.

Any people here who grew up poor and moved up in the world?  Do you take some time to talk to people like your cleaning staff at work?  Do you feel ashamed to be near people in those professions, even if this is what your mom or dad or grandparents did for a living?  If you do speak to them, do you feel proud of yourself for being so &quot;nice&quot;?*  Some people here will know exactly what I&#039;m talking about.  Identity crisises come to all sorts of people who think that they need to shed their &quot;old&quot; unacceptable selves, and in the process lose who they are.  Think about it and try to have some compassion.

*I do talk to our cleaning staff, and sometimes I feel like I am being &quot;nice&quot; in doing this and it makes me feel very creepy about who I&#039;ve become, but that&#039;s the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I support her to find her strength and her voice.  She&#8217;s already ashamed, so I&#8217;m not sure how shaming her for her shame furthers the cause of fat acceptance or anything else.  She needs to learn to be proud of herself no matter what her size and stand up to haters and I hope she does.  I was moved by her, she sounded like she was in a lot of pain.</p>
<p>Any people here who grew up poor and moved up in the world?  Do you take some time to talk to people like your cleaning staff at work?  Do you feel ashamed to be near people in those professions, even if this is what your mom or dad or grandparents did for a living?  If you do speak to them, do you feel proud of yourself for being so &#8220;nice&#8221;?*  Some people here will know exactly what I&#8217;m talking about.  Identity crisises come to all sorts of people who think that they need to shed their &#8220;old&#8221; unacceptable selves, and in the process lose who they are.  Think about it and try to have some compassion.</p>
<p>*I do talk to our cleaning staff, and sometimes I feel like I am being &#8220;nice&#8221; in doing this and it makes me feel very creepy about who I&#8217;ve become, but that&#8217;s the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/19/speaking-up/#comment-30721</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But as FJ said, writing about your wussiness in a national magazine? Is probably something to be ashamed of.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, I disagree.  I think that acknowledging your faults in a public forum like Newsweek is something to be commended.  And as a double bonus, she&#039;s bringing awareness and attention to the some of the various ways in which fat people face discrimination and marginalization.   

I think folks here are misconstruing what I see to be Northrup&#039;s larger and overarching point.  I don’t think she’s reveling in her weight loss nor is she saying “If I can do it, so can you!” I think she’s genuinely trying to sort out who she is and who she wants to be.  Keep in mind folks, this woman lost more than half her body weight within a very short time.  The world treats fat people differently than they treat thin people, a fact many here sadly know.  There&#039;s bound to be self-identity issues that arise with such a dramatic transformation.  Clearly the discrimination showed towards fat people bothers Northrup deeply - else why would she choose to write this article - but I don’t think she knows how or is armed to confront it.

I have to admit: After I lost 60 percent of my body weight and became a newly thin person, I didn’t tell many people who I just met about my weight loss and let them assume I’d always been that skinny. I did this primarily because I obsessed enough about my weight and how I looked and didn’t need the added emphasis, and also because I wanted people to see me as more than my weight. 

But I also did it because I had always been so criticized for how I looked, so ostracized for my fatness and even harassed and felt physically threatened by people for being fat that after I lost the weight,&lt;b&gt;I wanted to get as far away from the stigma of fat as I could.&lt;/b&gt;

It&#039;s taken me decades to reconcile some of my own body image issues and to realize that fat isn&#039;t a physical sign of failure and that being fat didn&#039;t mean that I was a second-class citizen.  Why are we criticizing someone who appears to be wrestling with many of the same issues even the most seasoned and hardened body-size activists have probably all faced?  

I don&#039;t see this article as negative in the slightest.  Northrup should be commended for her honesty and courage to publicly acknowledge her own shortcomings.  I see her and this article as a first step in her own journey towards a degree of size acceptance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But as FJ said, writing about your wussiness in a national magazine? Is probably something to be ashamed of.</i></p>
<p>Actually, I disagree.  I think that acknowledging your faults in a public forum like Newsweek is something to be commended.  And as a double bonus, she&#8217;s bringing awareness and attention to the some of the various ways in which fat people face discrimination and marginalization.   </p>
<p>I think folks here are misconstruing what I see to be Northrup&#8217;s larger and overarching point.  I don’t think she’s reveling in her weight loss nor is she saying “If I can do it, so can you!” I think she’s genuinely trying to sort out who she is and who she wants to be.  Keep in mind folks, this woman lost more than half her body weight within a very short time.  The world treats fat people differently than they treat thin people, a fact many here sadly know.  There&#8217;s bound to be self-identity issues that arise with such a dramatic transformation.  Clearly the discrimination showed towards fat people bothers Northrup deeply &#8211; else why would she choose to write this article &#8211; but I don’t think she knows how or is armed to confront it.</p>
<p>I have to admit: After I lost 60 percent of my body weight and became a newly thin person, I didn’t tell many people who I just met about my weight loss and let them assume I’d always been that skinny. I did this primarily because I obsessed enough about my weight and how I looked and didn’t need the added emphasis, and also because I wanted people to see me as more than my weight. </p>
<p>But I also did it because I had always been so criticized for how I looked, so ostracized for my fatness and even harassed and felt physically threatened by people for being fat that after I lost the weight,<b>I wanted to get as far away from the stigma of fat as I could.</b></p>
<p>It&#8217;s taken me decades to reconcile some of my own body image issues and to realize that fat isn&#8217;t a physical sign of failure and that being fat didn&#8217;t mean that I was a second-class citizen.  Why are we criticizing someone who appears to be wrestling with many of the same issues even the most seasoned and hardened body-size activists have probably all faced?  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see this article as negative in the slightest.  Northrup should be commended for her honesty and courage to publicly acknowledge her own shortcomings.  I see her and this article as a first step in her own journey towards a degree of size acceptance.</p>
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		<title>By: Goldie</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/19/speaking-up/#comment-30720</link>
		<dc:creator>Goldie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth (probably not all that much) this article made me think about all of the times when I have (or haven&#039;t) lied about being Jewish.  I&#039;ve found that there are times when I&#039;ve said &quot;I&#039;m Italian&quot;  and I find that, on an emotional level, I feel the same way when I lie about trying to lose weight when I&#039;m not anymore.  It just feels shitty.  And I know that I&#039;m always better off if I stand up for myself as that fat Jewess that I am, rather than pretending that I&#039;m something else just to pass.

This is also not to open up a whole can of worms, but I wonder how many of us have had the same feeling.  I almost feel like I need to consider fatness part of my identity in order to take pride in it and be comfortable with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth (probably not all that much) this article made me think about all of the times when I have (or haven&#8217;t) lied about being Jewish.  I&#8217;ve found that there are times when I&#8217;ve said &#8220;I&#8217;m Italian&#8221;  and I find that, on an emotional level, I feel the same way when I lie about trying to lose weight when I&#8217;m not anymore.  It just feels shitty.  And I know that I&#8217;m always better off if I stand up for myself as that fat Jewess that I am, rather than pretending that I&#8217;m something else just to pass.</p>
<p>This is also not to open up a whole can of worms, but I wonder how many of us have had the same feeling.  I almost feel like I need to consider fatness part of my identity in order to take pride in it and be comfortable with it.</p>
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		<title>By: AnotherKate</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/19/speaking-up/#comment-30719</link>
		<dc:creator>AnotherKate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And to avoid a can of worms, I am not saying &quot;being fat EQUALS being a minority.&quot; I was just surprised that my mother couldn&#039;t see that you can be an ally for a group without being in it, given that she does that all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to avoid a can of worms, I am not saying &#8220;being fat EQUALS being a minority.&#8221; I was just surprised that my mother couldn&#8217;t see that you can be an ally for a group without being in it, given that she does that all the time.</p>
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