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		<title>By: cggirl</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/11/open-for-discussion-linkies/#comment-29099</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hm. I totally agree that its ridiculous to see JLH&#039;s comments as some type of size acceptance heroics.

Even without the whole fat costume thing, even if u assume that she did not mean that a larger size than 2 is fat, STILL the reaction is unwarranted. Without even getting into how cool it would be if she truly did celebrate all sizes (i don&#039;t expect that of her just cuz i don&#039;t expect it from the average person, let alone the average holywood actor, given how misinformed and brainwashed everyone is).
The fact is - it&#039;s not that she&#039;s somehow horrible. It&#039;s just that seeing this as a celebration of size acceptance is ridiculous.

I also read that she said how these photos were taken from an unflattering angle, etc. It would have been cool if she had jsut said &quot;fuck yeah, that&#039;s what we stars look like without the airbrushing and there is NOTHING wrong with thta, so all u girls out there stop trying to mimic an ideal that doesn&#039;t even exist.&quot; If she cared about the girls out there so much, she&#039;s say that. But I don&#039;t expect that from her, she has her hangups just like everyone else... They can&#039;t all be as honest about the retouching stuff as Kate Winslet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm. I totally agree that its ridiculous to see JLH&#8217;s comments as some type of size acceptance heroics.</p>
<p>Even without the whole fat costume thing, even if u assume that she did not mean that a larger size than 2 is fat, STILL the reaction is unwarranted. Without even getting into how cool it would be if she truly did celebrate all sizes (i don&#8217;t expect that of her just cuz i don&#8217;t expect it from the average person, let alone the average holywood actor, given how misinformed and brainwashed everyone is).<br />
The fact is &#8211; it&#8217;s not that she&#8217;s somehow horrible. It&#8217;s just that seeing this as a celebration of size acceptance is ridiculous.</p>
<p>I also read that she said how these photos were taken from an unflattering angle, etc. It would have been cool if she had jsut said &#8220;fuck yeah, that&#8217;s what we stars look like without the airbrushing and there is NOTHING wrong with thta, so all u girls out there stop trying to mimic an ideal that doesn&#8217;t even exist.&#8221; If she cared about the girls out there so much, she&#8217;s say that. But I don&#8217;t expect that from her, she has her hangups just like everyone else&#8230; They can&#8217;t all be as honest about the retouching stuff as Kate Winslet.</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/11/open-for-discussion-linkies/#comment-29029</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Virginia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I assume Jennifer Love Hewitt, like 95% of America and probably 100% of Hollywood, is more or less fat-phobic. Nevertheless, she spoke out with grace and common sense against women being cruelly mocked about their bodies, and in favor of self-acceptance. Nothin&#039; wrong with that. (Also, she&#039;s working with Camryn Manheim now, so I bet there&#039;s been some consciousness-raising on the set.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume Jennifer Love Hewitt, like 95% of America and probably 100% of Hollywood, is more or less fat-phobic. Nevertheless, she spoke out with grace and common sense against women being cruelly mocked about their bodies, and in favor of self-acceptance. Nothin&#8217; wrong with that. (Also, she&#8217;s working with Camryn Manheim now, so I bet there&#8217;s been some consciousness-raising on the set.)</p>
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		<title>By: Melena</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/11/open-for-discussion-linkies/#comment-29006</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melena]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CRISIS!! 

LMFAO!  Seriously, I cannot stop laughing.

I&#039;m so going to shout that whenever I&#039;m frustrated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CRISIS!! </p>
<p>LMFAO!  Seriously, I cannot stop laughing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so going to shout that whenever I&#8217;m frustrated.</p>
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		<title>By: Poet With a Day Job</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/11/open-for-discussion-linkies/#comment-28945</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOL: &quot;fresh fruit on the side, but put it in a crust and bake it.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL: &#8220;fresh fruit on the side, but put it in a crust and bake it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/11/open-for-discussion-linkies/#comment-28920</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Becky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rose, &quot;Love your body!&quot; &lt;i&gt;often&lt;/i&gt; means &quot;Love your body unless you&#039;re actually fat, in which case you should despise it and fight against it and try to change it - you know, for your health&quot;.  Case in point, Queen Latifah&#039;s Jenny Craig sponsorship, where she says &quot;Love your curves&quot; while espousing a weight loss message.  It&#039;s really impossible to say which JLH means but the fact that she wore a fat suit and accessorised it with a freaking hot dog and ice cream is evidence to me that she means the latter.

&lt;i&gt;I love that fucking mentality. “Help” what, exactly?&lt;/i&gt;

Help lose weight.  Because that should be the goal of every fat person, and we need the help of strangers in doing so whether we ask for it or not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rose, &#8220;Love your body!&#8221; <i>often</i> means &#8220;Love your body unless you&#8217;re actually fat, in which case you should despise it and fight against it and try to change it &#8211; you know, for your health&#8221;.  Case in point, Queen Latifah&#8217;s Jenny Craig sponsorship, where she says &#8220;Love your curves&#8221; while espousing a weight loss message.  It&#8217;s really impossible to say which JLH means but the fact that she wore a fat suit and accessorised it with a freaking hot dog and ice cream is evidence to me that she means the latter.</p>
<p><i>I love that fucking mentality. “Help” what, exactly?</i></p>
<p>Help lose weight.  Because that should be the goal of every fat person, and we need the help of strangers in doing so whether we ask for it or not.</p>
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		<title>By: sweetmachine</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/11/open-for-discussion-linkies/#comment-28917</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;“I could have helped!! I could have made some real simple suggestions for changes that she *barely would have noticed* that would have *helped so much!*”&lt;/em&gt;

I love that fucking mentality. &quot;Help&quot; what, exactly? Help make delicious brownies? No, I don&#039;t think your low-fat substitution is going to help with that. Help that person feel better that day? As Krista&#039;s Jello story shows, that&#039;s not likely either. DEAR FELLOW SHOPPERS: STFU.

(I know they&#039;re not reading us here, but please imagine me yelling in the grocery store aisles instead of in this thread.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>“I could have helped!! I could have made some real simple suggestions for changes that she *barely would have noticed* that would have *helped so much!*”</em></p>
<p>I love that fucking mentality. &#8220;Help&#8221; what, exactly? Help make delicious brownies? No, I don&#8217;t think your low-fat substitution is going to help with that. Help that person feel better that day? As Krista&#8217;s Jello story shows, that&#8217;s not likely either. DEAR FELLOW SHOPPERS: STFU.</p>
<p>(I know they&#8217;re not reading us here, but please imagine me yelling in the grocery store aisles instead of in this thread.)</p>
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		<title>By: kateharding</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/11/open-for-discussion-linkies/#comment-28916</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kateharding]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, for god&#039;s sake, Rose. I&#039;m not trying to &quot;turn anyone against&quot; JLH, nor did I say I knew she hated fatties. I&#039;m saying, A) I&#039;ve been thinking this whole time that it&#039;s fucking ludicrous how &quot;Size 2 is not fat!&quot; has been painted as some kind of courageous size acceptance battle cry in the media all week, and B) 2 years ago, the same person wore a costume that I, as a fat person, find incredibly fucking offensive. So maybe we could all quit licking her ass, you know?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, for god&#8217;s sake, Rose. I&#8217;m not trying to &#8220;turn anyone against&#8221; JLH, nor did I say I knew she hated fatties. I&#8217;m saying, A) I&#8217;ve been thinking this whole time that it&#8217;s fucking ludicrous how &#8220;Size 2 is not fat!&#8221; has been painted as some kind of courageous size acceptance battle cry in the media all week, and B) 2 years ago, the same person wore a costume that I, as a fat person, find incredibly fucking offensive. So maybe we could all quit licking her ass, you know?</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/11/open-for-discussion-linkies/#comment-28914</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rose]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m really baffled as to how fat woman are left out of the statement &quot;And like ALL woman out there should, I love my body?”  Did she say &quot;Like all slim woman out there should, I love my body because at least I&#039;m not a disgusting fatty.&quot;?  Um, no.  Since there&#039;s nothing particularly offensive in her statement (except that she points out that she&#039;s not fat, but she isn&#039;t, so what&#039;s offensive about the truth?), you show us a &quot;smoking gun&quot; picture of her wearing a silly fat suit for Halloween taken years ago - &quot;AHA!! I knew she hated teh fatties!  Now I have proof!  Look at these pictures and tell us you still respect her statement, which was anti-fat anyway so you should never have respected it in the first place!!&quot;

If you really want to turn me against her you&#039;ll have to uncover her kindergarten essay titled &quot;I Want To Be The First Size 0 President (or maybe size 2 - but not any fatter or I&#039;ll be like, totally gross!)&quot; which will prove that ruthless ambition and aspirations for extreme skinniness have been her main agenda from the start!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really baffled as to how fat woman are left out of the statement &#8220;And like ALL woman out there should, I love my body?”  Did she say &#8220;Like all slim woman out there should, I love my body because at least I&#8217;m not a disgusting fatty.&#8221;?  Um, no.  Since there&#8217;s nothing particularly offensive in her statement (except that she points out that she&#8217;s not fat, but she isn&#8217;t, so what&#8217;s offensive about the truth?), you show us a &#8220;smoking gun&#8221; picture of her wearing a silly fat suit for Halloween taken years ago &#8211; &#8220;AHA!! I knew she hated teh fatties!  Now I have proof!  Look at these pictures and tell us you still respect her statement, which was anti-fat anyway so you should never have respected it in the first place!!&#8221;</p>
<p>If you really want to turn me against her you&#8217;ll have to uncover her kindergarten essay titled &#8220;I Want To Be The First Size 0 President (or maybe size 2 &#8211; but not any fatter or I&#8217;ll be like, totally gross!)&#8221; which will prove that ruthless ambition and aspirations for extreme skinniness have been her main agenda from the start!</p>
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		<title>By: kateharding</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/11/open-for-discussion-linkies/#comment-28913</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kateharding]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;(a) the restrictor evinces horror that the checkout guy can’t recognize endive or brussels sprouts&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, Jesus Murphy. &#039;Cause clearly, being unable to identify endive is a fat thing, not a &lt;i&gt;class&lt;/i&gt; thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>(a) the restrictor evinces horror that the checkout guy can’t recognize endive or brussels sprouts</i></p>
<p>Oh, Jesus Murphy. &#8216;Cause clearly, being unable to identify endive is a fat thing, not a <i>class</i> thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Savannah</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/11/open-for-discussion-linkies/#comment-28911</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Savannah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Work is the absolute worst. My husband is a man of size, and there was one old job of his from over ten years ago where people felt perfectly free to make remarks and tell jokes. (His current place is, fortunately, very accepting in that regard.)

Strangers have also felt free to yell stuff at him on the street.

W/r/t the grocery store, we have yet to encounter a drive-by. But I read some calorie-restriction blogs, and there have been several grocery-store-related posts here and there where (a) the restrictor evinces horror that the checkout guy can&#039;t recognize endive or brussels sprouts, or (b) the restrictor sees a person of size and reports on their blog that &quot;I could have helped!! I could have made some real simple suggestions for changes that she *barely would have noticed* that would have *helped so much!*&quot; 

(Calorie-restrictors tend to believe that people of size don&#039;t know about healthy food. I think if they read something like Kate&#039;s potato post, they&#039;d be shocked--and deeply, deeply scared--to see that Kate can size up portions and estimate calories every bit as well as they can. Because it didn&#039;t &quot;save&quot; her! Oh no!) (Lots of restrictors who blog are less than five years into their plan.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Work is the absolute worst. My husband is a man of size, and there was one old job of his from over ten years ago where people felt perfectly free to make remarks and tell jokes. (His current place is, fortunately, very accepting in that regard.)</p>
<p>Strangers have also felt free to yell stuff at him on the street.</p>
<p>W/r/t the grocery store, we have yet to encounter a drive-by. But I read some calorie-restriction blogs, and there have been several grocery-store-related posts here and there where (a) the restrictor evinces horror that the checkout guy can&#8217;t recognize endive or brussels sprouts, or (b) the restrictor sees a person of size and reports on their blog that &#8220;I could have helped!! I could have made some real simple suggestions for changes that she *barely would have noticed* that would have *helped so much!*&#8221; </p>
<p>(Calorie-restrictors tend to believe that people of size don&#8217;t know about healthy food. I think if they read something like Kate&#8217;s potato post, they&#8217;d be shocked&#8211;and deeply, deeply scared&#8211;to see that Kate can size up portions and estimate calories every bit as well as they can. Because it didn&#8217;t &#8220;save&#8221; her! Oh no!) (Lots of restrictors who blog are less than five years into their plan.)</p>
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