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		<title>By: Lessons from the short and fat &#171; I AM in shape. ROUND is a shape.</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/06/open-for-discussion-santas-too-fat/#comment-94436</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lessons from the short and fat &#171; I AM in shape. ROUND is a shape.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 14:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] in mind, just as I am not striving to BE Santa Claus merely because I find the idea of such an individual to have happy meaning for many [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Bit4Cmfrt</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/06/open-for-discussion-santas-too-fat/#comment-28701</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bit4Cmfrt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm, sounds like a politician attempting to appear topical and important for fear of being considered totally irrelevant while at the same time trying not to appear too radical.  

SG: &#039;I&#039;m afraid America has no idea who I am.&#039;

Consultant/Flunky: &#039;Well sir, perhaps if we attack somebody we might raise
                                   awareness.&#039;

SG: &#039;Hmmm, somebody well-known but not TOO important or TOO 
        controversial.&#039;

Con/Flunk: &#039;How about the Obesity Epidemic? Everybody knows that&#039;s bad 
                     and evil.&#039; 

SG: &#039;Yeah, but who&#039;s up front that we can safely go after?&#039; 

Con/Flunk: &#039;It is December, Sir. . . . Santa Claus has got that Bowl Full of Jelly 
                     thing going on. . . With all the cookies &amp; eggnog his arteries have 
                     gotta be one solid clot or he&#039;s about ready to go into a diabetic
                     coma.&#039; 

SG: &#039;Yeah - YEAH! We can really go after THAT Fat Bastard!&#039; 

Con/Flunk: &#039;Even better, Sir:  he can&#039;t claim defamation. . . &#039;Cause he doesn&#039;t 
                     exist!!&#039;  

SG: &#039;. . . Wait . . .  Santa. . . Doesn&#039;t. . .  EXIST??!&#039;

Con/Flunk: &#039;. . . Ummmm, I&#039;ll go pick-up your suits now, Sir. How about a nice 
                    hot Coco when I get back? With some yummy 2% and half an 
                    Equal!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, sounds like a politician attempting to appear topical and important for fear of being considered totally irrelevant while at the same time trying not to appear too radical.  </p>
<p>SG: &#8216;I&#8217;m afraid America has no idea who I am.&#8217;</p>
<p>Consultant/Flunky: &#8216;Well sir, perhaps if we attack somebody we might raise<br />
                                   awareness.&#8217;</p>
<p>SG: &#8216;Hmmm, somebody well-known but not TOO important or TOO<br />
        controversial.&#8217;</p>
<p>Con/Flunk: &#8216;How about the Obesity Epidemic? Everybody knows that&#8217;s bad<br />
                     and evil.&#8217; </p>
<p>SG: &#8216;Yeah, but who&#8217;s up front that we can safely go after?&#8217; </p>
<p>Con/Flunk: &#8216;It is December, Sir. . . . Santa Claus has got that Bowl Full of Jelly<br />
                     thing going on. . . With all the cookies &amp; eggnog his arteries have<br />
                     gotta be one solid clot or he&#8217;s about ready to go into a diabetic<br />
                     coma.&#8217; </p>
<p>SG: &#8216;Yeah &#8211; YEAH! We can really go after THAT Fat Bastard!&#8217; </p>
<p>Con/Flunk: &#8216;Even better, Sir:  he can&#8217;t claim defamation. . . &#8216;Cause he doesn&#8217;t<br />
                     exist!!&#8217;  </p>
<p>SG: &#8216;. . . Wait . . .  Santa. . . Doesn&#8217;t. . .  EXIST??!&#8217;</p>
<p>Con/Flunk: &#8216;. . . Ummmm, I&#8217;ll go pick-up your suits now, Sir. How about a nice<br />
                    hot Coco when I get back? With some yummy 2% and half an<br />
                    Equal!</p>
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		<title>By: stefanie</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/06/open-for-discussion-santas-too-fat/#comment-28330</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stefanie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fatadelic writes: &lt;i&gt;Santa, by definition, is a generous and jovial old man who gives presents. Jovial means, amoung other things, ‘of or relating to Jove’ AKA Jupiter. In astrology, Jupiter is considered a positive influence and is associated primarily with growth, good humour, prosperity, luck, good fortune, but above all expansion (of wealth and waistline) and generosity to the world. Could a thin Santa be such an effective symbol?&lt;/i&gt;

Thank you!  You get it, 100%.  Children *should* want to emulate Santa, because Santa is a symbol whose body shape represents generosity, expansiveness, celebrating the feast.  The problem with commercialism in Christmas is that people simply come to associate Santa with a store employee hawking toys and photographs.  The &quot;giving&quot; side of the season is limited to &quot;buy lots of stuff and give it to people.&quot;   

And there&#039;s the other point a couple of writers mentioned above, too - that if children associate Santa with warmth and love and generosity, they will also associate their grandpas, uncles, etc. who happen to be fat with the same things.  What the Santa Police want is for children to look critically and harshly on their fat relatives (and friends.)  This is the nasty, ugly side of Fat Santa Bashing.

I know that Santa has not always consistently been depicted as fat (there are vintage images of Father Christmas that aren&#039;t particularly rotund), but it seems to me that here and now, Fat Santa is a way to stick it to the Food Police.  And if you do keep Christmas, getting older, fat male relatives to dress up as Santa for the kids can be a lot of fun - as well as a symbolic way to flip off the fat bashers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fatadelic writes: <i>Santa, by definition, is a generous and jovial old man who gives presents. Jovial means, amoung other things, ‘of or relating to Jove’ AKA Jupiter. In astrology, Jupiter is considered a positive influence and is associated primarily with growth, good humour, prosperity, luck, good fortune, but above all expansion (of wealth and waistline) and generosity to the world. Could a thin Santa be such an effective symbol?</i></p>
<p>Thank you!  You get it, 100%.  Children *should* want to emulate Santa, because Santa is a symbol whose body shape represents generosity, expansiveness, celebrating the feast.  The problem with commercialism in Christmas is that people simply come to associate Santa with a store employee hawking toys and photographs.  The &#8220;giving&#8221; side of the season is limited to &#8220;buy lots of stuff and give it to people.&#8221;   </p>
<p>And there&#8217;s the other point a couple of writers mentioned above, too &#8211; that if children associate Santa with warmth and love and generosity, they will also associate their grandpas, uncles, etc. who happen to be fat with the same things.  What the Santa Police want is for children to look critically and harshly on their fat relatives (and friends.)  This is the nasty, ugly side of Fat Santa Bashing.</p>
<p>I know that Santa has not always consistently been depicted as fat (there are vintage images of Father Christmas that aren&#8217;t particularly rotund), but it seems to me that here and now, Fat Santa is a way to stick it to the Food Police.  And if you do keep Christmas, getting older, fat male relatives to dress up as Santa for the kids can be a lot of fun &#8211; as well as a symbolic way to flip off the fat bashers.</p>
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		<title>By: jsr</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/06/open-for-discussion-santas-too-fat/#comment-28300</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is clear that these anti-fat-Santa people are just anti-fat, because the real issue is that children should learn that exercise is what counts, not whether you are fat or thin. Scientific research supports this. Clearly, jumping in and out of a sleigh, going up and down chimneys, arranging presents and lifting heavy bags full of toys is very good exercise, especially because he does it about a billion times. Santa is fit and fat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is clear that these anti-fat-Santa people are just anti-fat, because the real issue is that children should learn that exercise is what counts, not whether you are fat or thin. Scientific research supports this. Clearly, jumping in and out of a sleigh, going up and down chimneys, arranging presents and lifting heavy bags full of toys is very good exercise, especially because he does it about a billion times. Santa is fit and fat.</p>
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		<title>By: Vexaster</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/06/open-for-discussion-santas-too-fat/#comment-28053</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vexaster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1. &lt;i&gt;But… but… our children need HEALTHY, THIN role models … like Paris Hilton… and Lindsey Lohan… and Kate Moss… and Britney Spears… oh, wait, I forgot, she’s fat now, too.&lt;/i&gt;

Oh yeah... Better a crackhead who can&#039;t finish rehab (or looking 50 when you&#039;re only 30) than fat.   So, now Lindsay the crackhead is a better role model than say... Jordin Sparks or Michael Jordan

2.  &lt;i&gt;Next up: Requirements that all stuffed cuddly toys should slim down. At least 20% less stuffing inside to bring down their STMI (Stuffed Toy Mass Index) and make teddy bears and rag dolls slender role models for our children! &lt;/i&gt;

But...but....but... I want my squishy teddy... *tear*

I love spinach. No thanks to Popeye. I love chocolate chip cookies and milk. No thanks to Santa. Christmas comes once a year. Nothing wrong with indulging.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. <i>But… but… our children need HEALTHY, THIN role models … like Paris Hilton… and Lindsey Lohan… and Kate Moss… and Britney Spears… oh, wait, I forgot, she’s fat now, too.</i></p>
<p>Oh yeah&#8230; Better a crackhead who can&#8217;t finish rehab (or looking 50 when you&#8217;re only 30) than fat.   So, now Lindsay the crackhead is a better role model than say&#8230; Jordin Sparks or Michael Jordan</p>
<p>2.  <i>Next up: Requirements that all stuffed cuddly toys should slim down. At least 20% less stuffing inside to bring down their STMI (Stuffed Toy Mass Index) and make teddy bears and rag dolls slender role models for our children! </i></p>
<p>But&#8230;but&#8230;.but&#8230; I want my squishy teddy&#8230; *tear*</p>
<p>I love spinach. No thanks to Popeye. I love chocolate chip cookies and milk. No thanks to Santa. Christmas comes once a year. Nothing wrong with indulging.</p>
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		<title>By: jfpbookworm</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/06/open-for-discussion-santas-too-fat/#comment-28050</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jfpbookworm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 13:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dude, Santa&#039;s an immortal, or at the very least a Time Lord.  Their metabolisms are different.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, Santa&#8217;s an immortal, or at the very least a Time Lord.  Their metabolisms are different.</p>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/06/open-for-discussion-santas-too-fat/#comment-27976</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Becky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 00:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I mean, if ANYTHING, Santa’s a little tiny counterbalance to all the hate out there&lt;/i&gt;

And that&#039;s why we have to destroy him.  Because if there is even the &lt;i&gt;tiniest&lt;/i&gt; counterbalance to the hate, our children might get the message that it&#039;s okay to be fat.  And we could never have that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I mean, if ANYTHING, Santa’s a little tiny counterbalance to all the hate out there</i></p>
<p>And that&#8217;s why we have to destroy him.  Because if there is even the <i>tiniest</i> counterbalance to the hate, our children might get the message that it&#8217;s okay to be fat.  And we could never have that.</p>
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		<title>By: vian</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/06/open-for-discussion-santas-too-fat/#comment-27968</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 00:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ricki,  I think it&#039;s a punishment thing - so many people thing being fat is some sort of deep moral failing.  And they can&#039;t even leave it at that - they&#039;ve got to make a virtue of eating a certain way, and as we all know, virtue must not be pleasant.  So if you enjoy food, rather than treating it as some sort of necessary evil which will lead you to virtue, you&#039;re doubling your sin.  We&#039;re fat.  We don&#039;t deserve sweets, any more than we deserve love.  and we can only eat broccoli if we promise not to enjoy it.  

Again, I say, the surgeon general, my ass, the kissing that can happen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ricki,  I think it&#8217;s a punishment thing &#8211; so many people thing being fat is some sort of deep moral failing.  And they can&#8217;t even leave it at that &#8211; they&#8217;ve got to make a virtue of eating a certain way, and as we all know, virtue must not be pleasant.  So if you enjoy food, rather than treating it as some sort of necessary evil which will lead you to virtue, you&#8217;re doubling your sin.  We&#8217;re fat.  We don&#8217;t deserve sweets, any more than we deserve love.  and we can only eat broccoli if we promise not to enjoy it.  </p>
<p>Again, I say, the surgeon general, my ass, the kissing that can happen.</p>
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		<title>By: ricki</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please someone tell me this Santa thing is a joke, or a story out of The Onion. 

I mean, really: the illogic of it is enough to make my head explode - the idea that kids will develop an attitude that they should be fat because Santa is.


I mean, if ANYTHING, Santa&#039;s a little tiny counterbalance to all the hate out there. I mean - Barbie dolls. Starlets getting horrible scolding stories in the tabloids if they gain 5 pounds. Little kids not being allowed to have cupcakes for their school birthday parties any more.

I do not understand - DO NOT UNDERSTAND - the mentality of people who want to do this kind of crap, take all the fun and joy and specialness out of life and make us all this grey mass of dry-broccoli eating treadmill conformists who never enjoy anything because it might - gasp - be bad for us. 

I&#039;m sure &quot;lack of pleasure&quot; is pretty bad for us, come to think of it. 

Maybe we should all bake a batch of cookies and send them to the Surgeon General. Oh, they&#039;d get thrown out of course (either out of fear of what might be in them or because they contain EEEEVILLL calories), but still...it&#039;s a protest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please someone tell me this Santa thing is a joke, or a story out of The Onion. </p>
<p>I mean, really: the illogic of it is enough to make my head explode &#8211; the idea that kids will develop an attitude that they should be fat because Santa is.</p>
<p>I mean, if ANYTHING, Santa&#8217;s a little tiny counterbalance to all the hate out there. I mean &#8211; Barbie dolls. Starlets getting horrible scolding stories in the tabloids if they gain 5 pounds. Little kids not being allowed to have cupcakes for their school birthday parties any more.</p>
<p>I do not understand &#8211; DO NOT UNDERSTAND &#8211; the mentality of people who want to do this kind of crap, take all the fun and joy and specialness out of life and make us all this grey mass of dry-broccoli eating treadmill conformists who never enjoy anything because it might &#8211; gasp &#8211; be bad for us. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure &#8220;lack of pleasure&#8221; is pretty bad for us, come to think of it. </p>
<p>Maybe we should all bake a batch of cookies and send them to the Surgeon General. Oh, they&#8217;d get thrown out of course (either out of fear of what might be in them or because they contain EEEEVILLL calories), but still&#8230;it&#8217;s a protest.</p>
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		<title>By: Nobody wants a skinny Santa! &#171; Poet With a Day Job</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nobody wants a skinny Santa! &#171; Poet With a Day Job]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Thanks Kate Harding who reminds us that Santa IS NOT REAL and Julie Wernau who reminds us that WE NEED TO CHILL! [...]]]></description>
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