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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/05/miss-conduct-rocks/#comment-72617</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know that I&#039;m way late to the party, but OMG all of the comments about random nasty on the public transport (like bodily secretions, et al), because that&#039;s never ever been my experience.  I&#039;ve never really been on American public transport, but having grown up in Italy (Rome, Catania, and Naples are the three cities I grew up in) I can tell you that there is NO SUCH THING as personal space.  Seriously, a bus will always get so packed that there literally cannot be any more people.  Everyone will try to get as many people on as possible.  It looks like we&#039;re trying to do that whole how many people can you fit in a phone box/VW bug thing you see in old pictures.

This was also my experience in Tokyo and Paris.  When I moved to London for my A-levels, I couldn&#039;t believe at how much space was left on the train even during rush hour.  It was seriously amazing at how upset Londoners would get because someone sat close or how guys would try to take up tons of room.  I was couldn&#039;t help but think WHAT ASSHATS.

The best experience ever though is watching tourists on Italian buses, trains and planes because all of them would act like Mike Teevee&#039;s mother in the original Willy Wonka movie with that nose upturned move.  Seriously, if you don&#039;t like the press of humanity?  You need to pay more than 3 euros a ride!  Walk or take a taxi!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that I&#8217;m way late to the party, but OMG all of the comments about random nasty on the public transport (like bodily secretions, et al), because that&#8217;s never ever been my experience.  I&#8217;ve never really been on American public transport, but having grown up in Italy (Rome, Catania, and Naples are the three cities I grew up in) I can tell you that there is NO SUCH THING as personal space.  Seriously, a bus will always get so packed that there literally cannot be any more people.  Everyone will try to get as many people on as possible.  It looks like we&#8217;re trying to do that whole how many people can you fit in a phone box/VW bug thing you see in old pictures.</p>
<p>This was also my experience in Tokyo and Paris.  When I moved to London for my A-levels, I couldn&#8217;t believe at how much space was left on the train even during rush hour.  It was seriously amazing at how upset Londoners would get because someone sat close or how guys would try to take up tons of room.  I was couldn&#8217;t help but think WHAT ASSHATS.</p>
<p>The best experience ever though is watching tourists on Italian buses, trains and planes because all of them would act like Mike Teevee&#8217;s mother in the original Willy Wonka movie with that nose upturned move.  Seriously, if you don&#8217;t like the press of humanity?  You need to pay more than 3 euros a ride!  Walk or take a taxi!</p>
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		<title>By: Sticking up for ourselves &#187; The-F-Word.org</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/05/miss-conduct-rocks/#comment-55382</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sticking up for ourselves &#187; The-F-Word.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 18:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Erica!!!</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/05/miss-conduct-rocks/#comment-46654</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow. I live in a smallish city,roughly 42,514 people, and while we have a niceish transit system (it looks ok , is cleanish, and goes out to some rural areas because of a college out that way), and a decent portion of the population use it at least 1/2 of the time, I find that the number of times I have had to worry about not having a seat ( a seat being a bench that could fit two people) to myself I can count on my right hand. And usually there&#039;s room for a group of my friends and I to sit together. 
We also have front seats set aside for the elderly and handicapped, and benches with no butt molds in the back. 
I feel super spoiled now, you guys. 
I am never going to complain about having to ride the olympia transit system again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I live in a smallish city,roughly 42,514 people, and while we have a niceish transit system (it looks ok , is cleanish, and goes out to some rural areas because of a college out that way), and a decent portion of the population use it at least 1/2 of the time, I find that the number of times I have had to worry about not having a seat ( a seat being a bench that could fit two people) to myself I can count on my right hand. And usually there&#8217;s room for a group of my friends and I to sit together.<br />
We also have front seats set aside for the elderly and handicapped, and benches with no butt molds in the back.<br />
I feel super spoiled now, you guys.<br />
I am never going to complain about having to ride the olympia transit system again.</p>
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		<title>By: secretinsidegirl</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/05/miss-conduct-rocks/#comment-46534</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know I&#039;m a bit late to enter into this conversation, but I just had to now that I finally have the words to articulate the jambalaya of frustrated thoughts and feelings of The Event, which I want to share with you.

The Event:

I was flying from Atlanta to Los Angeles this past Christmas to visit the folks.  As usual, I thrust myself into my chosen window seat and disappeared into a book.  For a while, it seemed as if I would be flying without a seat partner until, almost at the last moment, a man sat down in the aisle seat next to me.

Now this guy was definitely big.  Fat and tall.  He took up a lot of room -- you know, his own room, the seat that he paid for.  And maybe he took up a little bit of mine, but here&#039;s the thing: I wasn&#039;t uncomfortable.  I still had room.  Plus he was polite, he didn&#039;t make idle ridiculous chitchat, and he let me have the arm rest, which makes him, in my book, the greatest seat mate in the history of Delta Airlines.  So he settled himself into his seat, I continued to read my book, and all was pleasant for about two minutes.

Then the flight attendant came by.

She looked at both of us and then asked, &quot;Are you two traveling together?&quot;  Only she was really asking me.  It was me she was looking at, me whose eyes she was boring into with silent empathy.  Empathy for what?  I didn&#039;t have time to consider it, because after we both shook our heads in response to her question, she put her hand on the gentleman&#039;s shoulder and said, &quot;Let me see what I can do to make you more comfortable.&quot;

Off she went, returning a few seconds later to tell my seat partner that she had a &quot;comfortable&quot; aisle seat for him in an &quot;empty row&quot; at -- you guessed it -- the back of the plane.  I think the gentleman was shocked, just as I was, because neither of us could answer her right away.  I might have opened and closed my mouth a couple of times, silently, willing words to come (of course, they didn&#039;t).  Finally my seat partner said okay, and he stood up and made his way to the back of the plane, but not before the flight attendant shot me another look that clearly said, &quot;You&#039;re welcome.&quot;

Um, excuse me?  Did I ask you for anything?  Did I complain about having no space?  Was I being squished?  No.  I was sitting comfortably, with my arm on the arm rest for once, reading pleasantly, just as my seat partner had adjusted himself in his own seat and was reading his magazine.  We were absolutely fine.  The flight attendant, most likely thinking she was being good at her job, assumed that just because I fit into my seat and he didn&#039;t quite fit into his, I somehow needed saving from The Fat Man who deserves to be castigated for his fatness and separated from good decent folk that have the courtesy to possess smaller asses that fit into Delta&#039;s famously roomy economy class seats.  

It&#039;s one thing if the gentleman had asked to be placed in an empty row.  Maybe he did, but I don&#039;t think so because he seemed just as shocked as I was when the flight attendant suggested/commanded that he move.  No, it was literal segregation of the worst kind.  Banished to the back of the cabin, alone, like a fourth-class citizen.  I can&#039;t help but recall one of our nation&#039;s most important historical moments, you know, the one where a person refused to be moved to the back of a bus on the basis of her race.  How is this different?  Of course it isn&#039;t, but I am sure that the flight attendant and maybe everyone on the flight crew and perhaps even a large number of the passengers wouldn&#039;t consider my seat partner&#039;s removal a breach of civil rights.  At that time, I had only just started reading your blog and had no words for what I was feeling, only a general, inarticulate sense of shock and outrage at the flight attendant&#039;s assumption that I needed her help, that I couldn&#039;t bear a five hour flight sitting next to a fat man.  And now what I feel is resentment that I was implicated in that breach of civil rights because I was unable to speak up.  I can tell you it won&#039;t happen again.  

I guess I want to say thank you, Shapely Prose, for helping me find the words.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I&#8217;m a bit late to enter into this conversation, but I just had to now that I finally have the words to articulate the jambalaya of frustrated thoughts and feelings of The Event, which I want to share with you.</p>
<p>The Event:</p>
<p>I was flying from Atlanta to Los Angeles this past Christmas to visit the folks.  As usual, I thrust myself into my chosen window seat and disappeared into a book.  For a while, it seemed as if I would be flying without a seat partner until, almost at the last moment, a man sat down in the aisle seat next to me.</p>
<p>Now this guy was definitely big.  Fat and tall.  He took up a lot of room &#8212; you know, his own room, the seat that he paid for.  And maybe he took up a little bit of mine, but here&#8217;s the thing: I wasn&#8217;t uncomfortable.  I still had room.  Plus he was polite, he didn&#8217;t make idle ridiculous chitchat, and he let me have the arm rest, which makes him, in my book, the greatest seat mate in the history of Delta Airlines.  So he settled himself into his seat, I continued to read my book, and all was pleasant for about two minutes.</p>
<p>Then the flight attendant came by.</p>
<p>She looked at both of us and then asked, &#8220;Are you two traveling together?&#8221;  Only she was really asking me.  It was me she was looking at, me whose eyes she was boring into with silent empathy.  Empathy for what?  I didn&#8217;t have time to consider it, because after we both shook our heads in response to her question, she put her hand on the gentleman&#8217;s shoulder and said, &#8220;Let me see what I can do to make you more comfortable.&#8221;</p>
<p>Off she went, returning a few seconds later to tell my seat partner that she had a &#8220;comfortable&#8221; aisle seat for him in an &#8220;empty row&#8221; at &#8212; you guessed it &#8212; the back of the plane.  I think the gentleman was shocked, just as I was, because neither of us could answer her right away.  I might have opened and closed my mouth a couple of times, silently, willing words to come (of course, they didn&#8217;t).  Finally my seat partner said okay, and he stood up and made his way to the back of the plane, but not before the flight attendant shot me another look that clearly said, &#8220;You&#8217;re welcome.&#8221;</p>
<p>Um, excuse me?  Did I ask you for anything?  Did I complain about having no space?  Was I being squished?  No.  I was sitting comfortably, with my arm on the arm rest for once, reading pleasantly, just as my seat partner had adjusted himself in his own seat and was reading his magazine.  We were absolutely fine.  The flight attendant, most likely thinking she was being good at her job, assumed that just because I fit into my seat and he didn&#8217;t quite fit into his, I somehow needed saving from The Fat Man who deserves to be castigated for his fatness and separated from good decent folk that have the courtesy to possess smaller asses that fit into Delta&#8217;s famously roomy economy class seats.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s one thing if the gentleman had asked to be placed in an empty row.  Maybe he did, but I don&#8217;t think so because he seemed just as shocked as I was when the flight attendant suggested/commanded that he move.  No, it was literal segregation of the worst kind.  Banished to the back of the cabin, alone, like a fourth-class citizen.  I can&#8217;t help but recall one of our nation&#8217;s most important historical moments, you know, the one where a person refused to be moved to the back of a bus on the basis of her race.  How is this different?  Of course it isn&#8217;t, but I am sure that the flight attendant and maybe everyone on the flight crew and perhaps even a large number of the passengers wouldn&#8217;t consider my seat partner&#8217;s removal a breach of civil rights.  At that time, I had only just started reading your blog and had no words for what I was feeling, only a general, inarticulate sense of shock and outrage at the flight attendant&#8217;s assumption that I needed her help, that I couldn&#8217;t bear a five hour flight sitting next to a fat man.  And now what I feel is resentment that I was implicated in that breach of civil rights because I was unable to speak up.  I can tell you it won&#8217;t happen again.  </p>
<p>I guess I want to say thank you, Shapely Prose, for helping me find the words.</p>
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		<title>By: Bibliophile</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/05/miss-conduct-rocks/#comment-40275</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bibliophile]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, yes, and let me also add the people with backpacks who will NOT take them off, even though their bags are banging into everyone&#039;s else&#039;s face/back/kidneys.  The only consolation I get from these people&#039;s idiocy is that they&#039;re much more likely to get stuff stolen!

But I do take issue with people sitting on the bus in the seats that are clearly marked &quot;for disabled and elderly people&quot; and then NOT getting up when those people get on the bus - the first-come first-served rule is fine in most instances, but I think not in this one.  If an old lady with a cane gets on the bus, then the young and apparently totally healthy person taking up one of those special seats really OUGHT to get up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, yes, and let me also add the people with backpacks who will NOT take them off, even though their bags are banging into everyone&#8217;s else&#8217;s face/back/kidneys.  The only consolation I get from these people&#8217;s idiocy is that they&#8217;re much more likely to get stuff stolen!</p>
<p>But I do take issue with people sitting on the bus in the seats that are clearly marked &#8220;for disabled and elderly people&#8221; and then NOT getting up when those people get on the bus &#8211; the first-come first-served rule is fine in most instances, but I think not in this one.  If an old lady with a cane gets on the bus, then the young and apparently totally healthy person taking up one of those special seats really OUGHT to get up.</p>
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		<title>By: Bibliophile</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/05/miss-conduct-rocks/#comment-40271</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bibliophile]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know what bother me far more than someone taking up more than one seat because they don&#039;t fit are the guys who DO fit in the buttmold, but insist on spreading their legs out to the sides (presumably to accomodate their EXTREMELY LARGE equipment - yeah, right!) and thereby either a) prevent me from sitting down, or b) if I *do* sit down, make sure that their thighs are all rubbing up against me.  And no one ever says anything to them!  Ugh!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what bother me far more than someone taking up more than one seat because they don&#8217;t fit are the guys who DO fit in the buttmold, but insist on spreading their legs out to the sides (presumably to accomodate their EXTREMELY LARGE equipment &#8211; yeah, right!) and thereby either a) prevent me from sitting down, or b) if I *do* sit down, make sure that their thighs are all rubbing up against me.  And no one ever says anything to them!  Ugh!</p>
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		<title>By: Alyssa</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/05/miss-conduct-rocks/#comment-28218</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alyssa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 18:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MB, I grew up in Boston (then lived in NYC for 5 years) and, yes, it&#039;s a nightmare. Is the green line still especially bad?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MB, I grew up in Boston (then lived in NYC for 5 years) and, yes, it&#8217;s a nightmare. Is the green line still especially bad?</p>
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		<title>By: Alyssa</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/05/miss-conduct-rocks/#comment-28159</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alyssa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 03:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I once read a letter in the L.A. Times complaining about moms, and how much room their strollers take up on the sidewalk.  My first thought was &quot;Why the **** do you care?  No one walks in L.A!&quot;  But my next thought was &quot;F*** you, you ba***rd!  Cross the friggin&#039; street if it bugs you so much!&quot; 
It made about as much sense as going after fat people for &quot;deigning&quot; to take public transpo, or even to exist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once read a letter in the L.A. Times complaining about moms, and how much room their strollers take up on the sidewalk.  My first thought was &#8220;Why the **** do you care?  No one walks in L.A!&#8221;  But my next thought was &#8220;F*** you, you ba***rd!  Cross the friggin&#8217; street if it bugs you so much!&#8221;<br />
It made about as much sense as going after fat people for &#8220;deigning&#8221; to take public transpo, or even to exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Orodemniades</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 19:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nukkingfutz, I have to say that Aberdeen is a nightmare during a) rush hour, b) holidays, and c) whenever it&#039;s raining.  And gods forbid a bus should go down for any reason, that just messes up everything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nukkingfutz, I have to say that Aberdeen is a nightmare during a) rush hour, b) holidays, and c) whenever it&#8217;s raining.  And gods forbid a bus should go down for any reason, that just messes up everything.</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/12/05/miss-conduct-rocks/#comment-27788</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wish I had time to read all the comments to this post - it is obviously a hot topic. 

Unfortunately, I have to take the MBTA into Boston every day and EVERY DAY there is some drama. It is always crowded and there is always someone complaining about something. I don&#039;t have a problem with people taking up more than one designated space - first come first serve. What makes me crazy are (a) the people who take their kids out of a stroller and put them on a seat while blocking two other seats with the stroller (and then getting pissy when you ask them to move); (b) men who use crowded trains as an opportunity to grope (I had a friend who actually got jizzed on ...ewww) but some creep who was jerking off; (c) the woman who puts her bag on a seat between two riders and when asked to move it said she was waiting to be able to fit in the seat (huh?); (d) the people who refuse to move away from the door when there are seats and space available away from the doors; and (e) I always offer my seat to elderly and pregnant women but it isn&#039;t always appreciated. I offered my seat to a very pregnant woman who screamed at me and told me she was pregnant not handicapped. I don&#039;t know why &quot;no, thank you&quot; couldn&#039;t have been her response. I could go on and on but you get the idea . . . .

Can&#039;t we all just get along . . . we all want to just get where we are going . . . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I had time to read all the comments to this post &#8211; it is obviously a hot topic. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, I have to take the MBTA into Boston every day and EVERY DAY there is some drama. It is always crowded and there is always someone complaining about something. I don&#8217;t have a problem with people taking up more than one designated space &#8211; first come first serve. What makes me crazy are (a) the people who take their kids out of a stroller and put them on a seat while blocking two other seats with the stroller (and then getting pissy when you ask them to move); (b) men who use crowded trains as an opportunity to grope (I had a friend who actually got jizzed on &#8230;ewww) but some creep who was jerking off; (c) the woman who puts her bag on a seat between two riders and when asked to move it said she was waiting to be able to fit in the seat (huh?); (d) the people who refuse to move away from the door when there are seats and space available away from the doors; and (e) I always offer my seat to elderly and pregnant women but it isn&#8217;t always appreciated. I offered my seat to a very pregnant woman who screamed at me and told me she was pregnant not handicapped. I don&#8217;t know why &#8220;no, thank you&#8221; couldn&#8217;t have been her response. I could go on and on but you get the idea . . . .</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t we all just get along . . . we all want to just get where we are going . . . .</p>
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