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	<title>Comments on: Friday Fatshion: Seriously, Screw Old Navy</title>
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		<title>By: sharon</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/11/30/friday-fatshion-seriously-screw-old-navy/#comment-56039</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sharon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 19:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[if you have a Goodys where you live, they have really cute plus size stuff, especially in the juniors plus section, and the prices are lower than old navy usually, everything is on sale all the time, they have a big sale probably 3 out of every 4 saturdays]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you have a Goodys where you live, they have really cute plus size stuff, especially in the juniors plus section, and the prices are lower than old navy usually, everything is on sale all the time, they have a big sale probably 3 out of every 4 saturdays</p>
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		<title>By: threexblessd</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[threexblessd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I came online tonight shopping for jeans and my search brought me here..And I&#039;m glad it did. I didn&#039;t realize how many other women were feeling the same as I do. As for Old Navy, the quality of their clothes has become like Walmart. So, I stopped buying there.They  don&#039;t  last long. I bought a couple of of the Demin lite stretch jeansfrom the Avenue and I love them. they are light and very comfortable. They come in short,Average and tall and they were $39.50. It&#039;s hard to find good quality plus size clothes and eveb harder to find plus jeans.

www. theAvenue.com
www.fashionbug.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came online tonight shopping for jeans and my search brought me here..And I&#8217;m glad it did. I didn&#8217;t realize how many other women were feeling the same as I do. As for Old Navy, the quality of their clothes has become like Walmart. So, I stopped buying there.They  don&#8217;t  last long. I bought a couple of of the Demin lite stretch jeansfrom the Avenue and I love them. they are light and very comfortable. They come in short,Average and tall and they were $39.50. It&#8217;s hard to find good quality plus size clothes and eveb harder to find plus jeans.</p>
<p>www. theAvenue.com<br />
<a href="http://www.fashionbug.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.fashionbug.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: not-exactly monday chew on this &#171; mmm, brains!</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[not-exactly monday chew on this &#171; mmm, brains!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Harding on why we should boycott Old Navy, as if the shitty sweat-shop quality wasn&#8217;t [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Harding on why we should boycott Old Navy, as if the shitty sweat-shop quality wasn&#8217;t [...]</p>
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		<title>By: spacedcowgirl</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/11/30/friday-fatshion-seriously-screw-old-navy/#comment-26644</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spacedcowgirl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dani, by the way, thanks for the TrendyBlanks.com link! I was not aware of that site. At first glance their prices DEFINITELY appear tons better than AA retail. And if I am paying for the &quot;ambience&quot; of their stores, then no thanks. I guess the stores are attractive, but they make me so uncomfortable I just want to run right back out the door.

And on the subject of whether ON did this &quot;on purpose,&quot; I agree with Kate... I think it is mostly an issue of mismanagement. They decided to launch a plus line but it seemed like they didn&#039;t want to put any money whatsoever into it. They squeezed it in the way back of the stores so that even if you went in the store, there is no reason you would necessarily know it was there. From what I understand they did not really advertise or publicize the new department at all... I certainly never knew it was there until it was already on the way out. So yes, primarily mismanagement, but I wouldn&#039;t doubt in the least if the hush-hush wasn&#039;t also, at least in small part, due to their desire not to be trumpeting &quot;NOW IN PLUS!&quot; and potentially alienating customers who would care that fat girls could wear the same clothes they could. I still maintain that there was a class/image concern on the part of management that played into the almost secretive nature of the in-store plus sections. Regarding them not wanting to be Gap, I&#039;m not sure about that; these days everyone knows that all 3 stores are owned by the same company, so perhaps they wouldn&#039;t want even their &quot;low-end&quot; brand dragging down the overall company image. Anyway, I think they mostly bungled things but I think there was also a little of wanting to have their cake and eat it too... get money out of plus size consumers without having anyone other than the plus size consumers know that they could shop in their stores. The &quot;lose weight and buy regular sizes&quot; comment is absolutely astounding.

Aaand in another unrelated comment, thinking of how they carry Levi&#039;s at Sears reminded me that I think Sears, Penney&#039;s, and Kohl&#039;s (maybe try their web sites if your local store is poorly stocked) are still the best places to get work basics in plus at good prices. You could go broke trying to put together a work wardrobe at LB without some serious sale watching. Anyway I just wanted to mention that because until I started shopping there again recently, I wouldn&#039;t necessarily have though Sears would have anything up-to-date in terms of professional wear, so maybe other people are overlooking them too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dani, by the way, thanks for the TrendyBlanks.com link! I was not aware of that site. At first glance their prices DEFINITELY appear tons better than AA retail. And if I am paying for the &#8220;ambience&#8221; of their stores, then no thanks. I guess the stores are attractive, but they make me so uncomfortable I just want to run right back out the door.</p>
<p>And on the subject of whether ON did this &#8220;on purpose,&#8221; I agree with Kate&#8230; I think it is mostly an issue of mismanagement. They decided to launch a plus line but it seemed like they didn&#8217;t want to put any money whatsoever into it. They squeezed it in the way back of the stores so that even if you went in the store, there is no reason you would necessarily know it was there. From what I understand they did not really advertise or publicize the new department at all&#8230; I certainly never knew it was there until it was already on the way out. So yes, primarily mismanagement, but I wouldn&#8217;t doubt in the least if the hush-hush wasn&#8217;t also, at least in small part, due to their desire not to be trumpeting &#8220;NOW IN PLUS!&#8221; and potentially alienating customers who would care that fat girls could wear the same clothes they could. I still maintain that there was a class/image concern on the part of management that played into the almost secretive nature of the in-store plus sections. Regarding them not wanting to be Gap, I&#8217;m not sure about that; these days everyone knows that all 3 stores are owned by the same company, so perhaps they wouldn&#8217;t want even their &#8220;low-end&#8221; brand dragging down the overall company image. Anyway, I think they mostly bungled things but I think there was also a little of wanting to have their cake and eat it too&#8230; get money out of plus size consumers without having anyone other than the plus size consumers know that they could shop in their stores. The &#8220;lose weight and buy regular sizes&#8221; comment is absolutely astounding.</p>
<p>Aaand in another unrelated comment, thinking of how they carry Levi&#8217;s at Sears reminded me that I think Sears, Penney&#8217;s, and Kohl&#8217;s (maybe try their web sites if your local store is poorly stocked) are still the best places to get work basics in plus at good prices. You could go broke trying to put together a work wardrobe at LB without some serious sale watching. Anyway I just wanted to mention that because until I started shopping there again recently, I wouldn&#8217;t necessarily have though Sears would have anything up-to-date in terms of professional wear, so maybe other people are overlooking them too.</p>
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		<title>By: spacedcowgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spacedcowgirl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another vote in favor of plus-size Levi&#039;s. They too are gulity of my obligatory stopped-manufacturing-in-the-USA complaint that I always have to flog, but they have come a LONG way since about 10 years ago when the only plus-size style was a medium-wash tapered mom jean. They make a stretch boot cut that is really super flattering. I have owned it in 4 different plus sizes over the years. I don&#039;t know what is available this season, but in the past I have gotten a very dark uniform rinse and another one that was like a faded ringspun denim. I actually need another pair so I hope they haven&#039;t screwed around with the style too much. They fit me much better than the Gap brands--midrise instead of buttcrack low, appear to be cut for an actual grownup woman, the &quot;bootcut&quot; does not actually mean skintight to the knee followed by an exaggerated 25&quot; flare, etc. These are really my favorite jeans. It is possible they only go up to 24W, though. I have seen them at Kohl&#039;s, JCPenney, and Sears, and they are often on sale in the $29.99 price range or thereabouts. So not exactly cheap cheap, but reasonable and they really do look great and wear well IME.

On the subject of inexpensive jeans, you might also try their Levi Strauss line that is sold in places like Meijer and (maybe... I am not sure they carry the plus sizes) Target. Probably Wal-mart too. Riders is another brand sold in discount stores that sometimes has decent-looking styles. Honestly I think these lines are better made than Old Navy and certainly no more expensive. My straight-size friend was complaining about the bizarre way that Gap recut their Boyfriend Jean and asked me where I got the ones I was wearing. When I said &quot;Meijer&quot; she was pretty excited to try them because if they fit well, it would sure beat paying twice as much for saggy, ill-fitting Gap jeans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another vote in favor of plus-size Levi&#8217;s. They too are gulity of my obligatory stopped-manufacturing-in-the-USA complaint that I always have to flog, but they have come a LONG way since about 10 years ago when the only plus-size style was a medium-wash tapered mom jean. They make a stretch boot cut that is really super flattering. I have owned it in 4 different plus sizes over the years. I don&#8217;t know what is available this season, but in the past I have gotten a very dark uniform rinse and another one that was like a faded ringspun denim. I actually need another pair so I hope they haven&#8217;t screwed around with the style too much. They fit me much better than the Gap brands&#8211;midrise instead of buttcrack low, appear to be cut for an actual grownup woman, the &#8220;bootcut&#8221; does not actually mean skintight to the knee followed by an exaggerated 25&#8243; flare, etc. These are really my favorite jeans. It is possible they only go up to 24W, though. I have seen them at Kohl&#8217;s, JCPenney, and Sears, and they are often on sale in the $29.99 price range or thereabouts. So not exactly cheap cheap, but reasonable and they really do look great and wear well IME.</p>
<p>On the subject of inexpensive jeans, you might also try their Levi Strauss line that is sold in places like Meijer and (maybe&#8230; I am not sure they carry the plus sizes) Target. Probably Wal-mart too. Riders is another brand sold in discount stores that sometimes has decent-looking styles. Honestly I think these lines are better made than Old Navy and certainly no more expensive. My straight-size friend was complaining about the bizarre way that Gap recut their Boyfriend Jean and asked me where I got the ones I was wearing. When I said &#8220;Meijer&#8221; she was pretty excited to try them because if they fit well, it would sure beat paying twice as much for saggy, ill-fitting Gap jeans.</p>
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		<title>By: kateharding</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kateharding]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thordora, I&#039;m loving your icon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thordora, I&#8217;m loving your icon.</p>
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		<title>By: thordora</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thordora]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve never ever shopped at any of those stores due to their issues with not using child labour and then charging stupid prices for it (ie. GAP Kids) and I&#039;m not going to start now. At least up here in Canada I have a few options, but I dig the plus size at Target when I&#039;m in the US. Torrid is fun online as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never ever shopped at any of those stores due to their issues with not using child labour and then charging stupid prices for it (ie. GAP Kids) and I&#8217;m not going to start now. At least up here in Canada I have a few options, but I dig the plus size at Target when I&#8217;m in the US. Torrid is fun online as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emily]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hate Old Navy anyway.  Boring.  I found some AWESOME sexy knit tops at Jessica London!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate Old Navy anyway.  Boring.  I found some AWESOME sexy knit tops at Jessica London!</p>
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		<title>By: Alyssa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alyssa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 05:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I almost caved today.  I started my boycott of Old Navy as soon as I heard about plus sizes (I&#039;m a size 12).  But I desperately need new jeans, and I went in today and found a good pair for a good price.  There was a long line, and I didn&#039;t want to stand in it, so I decided to wait.  But I&#039;m tempted!  Help!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I almost caved today.  I started my boycott of Old Navy as soon as I heard about plus sizes (I&#8217;m a size 12).  But I desperately need new jeans, and I went in today and found a good pair for a good price.  There was a long line, and I didn&#8217;t want to stand in it, so I decided to wait.  But I&#8217;m tempted!  Help!</p>
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		<title>By: Astrobabe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Astrobabe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 21:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not willing to call it quits on Old Navy yet. I may fluctuate through 3 different size there (16/18/20 in straight sizes) depending upon the wacky cut they&#039;ve decided to use, but I&#039;m just not ready. I personally can&#039;t get up in arms about the plus line moving to the web for one major reason: I found that their size model was incredibly different than my own. Not once could I find anything in the puls size that fit, because it assumed that my stomach was far far larger than it is. Plus I&#039;m sorry, but I saw way too many damned trapeze shirts in the Plus line that I think look hideous on everyone, no matter their size.

They&#039;ve gone through growing pains. . .and they&#039;re going to experience them again shortly with Todd Oldham having been employed to re-design just about everying. Mind you I really dislike some of his combinations of color, but I am at least glad they hired him and not that twit Mizrahi who has churned out a bunch of crap since I was about 13 and paying attention to fashion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not willing to call it quits on Old Navy yet. I may fluctuate through 3 different size there (16/18/20 in straight sizes) depending upon the wacky cut they&#8217;ve decided to use, but I&#8217;m just not ready. I personally can&#8217;t get up in arms about the plus line moving to the web for one major reason: I found that their size model was incredibly different than my own. Not once could I find anything in the puls size that fit, because it assumed that my stomach was far far larger than it is. Plus I&#8217;m sorry, but I saw way too many damned trapeze shirts in the Plus line that I think look hideous on everyone, no matter their size.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ve gone through growing pains. . .and they&#8217;re going to experience them again shortly with Todd Oldham having been employed to re-design just about everying. Mind you I really dislike some of his combinations of color, but I am at least glad they hired him and not that twit Mizrahi who has churned out a bunch of crap since I was about 13 and paying attention to fashion.</p>
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