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		<title>By: thesecretlifeofamanicdepressive</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/11/15/open-for-discussion-the-jiggle-factor/#comment-41460</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thesecretlifeofamanicdepressive]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cor, am I the only one who thinks that description sounds, well, &lt;i&gt;sexy&lt;/i&gt;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cor, am I the only one who thinks that description sounds, well, <i>sexy</i>?</p>
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		<title>By: kateharding</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/11/15/open-for-discussion-the-jiggle-factor/#comment-27898</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Caro, I hear you, but I&#039;ve also heard lots of stories of fat people feeling really patronized by people who will come right up to them at the gym and say stuff like, &quot;Great job! Keep going!&quot; or even, &quot;Keep it up and you&#039;ll lose weight!&quot; A lot of people assume that if a fat person&#039;s at the gym, A) it must be a recent development, and B) they must be doing it to lose weight. When in fact, that fat person might have been exercising regularly for ages and just still be fat, and they might have no interest in losing weight.

I totally take your point, but it&#039;s good to remember it can go too far the other way, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caro, I hear you, but I&#8217;ve also heard lots of stories of fat people feeling really patronized by people who will come right up to them at the gym and say stuff like, &#8220;Great job! Keep going!&#8221; or even, &#8220;Keep it up and you&#8217;ll lose weight!&#8221; A lot of people assume that if a fat person&#8217;s at the gym, A) it must be a recent development, and B) they must be doing it to lose weight. When in fact, that fat person might have been exercising regularly for ages and just still be fat, and they might have no interest in losing weight.</p>
<p>I totally take your point, but it&#8217;s good to remember it can go too far the other way, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Caro</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/11/15/open-for-discussion-the-jiggle-factor/#comment-27880</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Caro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, this is a bit late, but I have something to add about the embarassment factor of going to the gym when you are jiggly.  It&#039;s something that always used to bug me, and made me not want to hit the machines, because I felt like people were totally judging my athleticism.... and then I realized that, if anything, people at health clubs tend to smile at the fat people on the machines, in a friendly way.  I find myself doing it too sometimes- when someone who is fat is on a machine in front of me, I kind of cheer them on in my head, because it is scary going to the gym and because, athletic though you can be at any size, it does burn more calories to do the same workout- it&#039;s harder.  That&#039;s why I used to love going when The Biggest Loser was on- all those people would be TRYING so hard, I&#039;d have to just say to myself, &quot;c&#039;mon Caro, look how hard they&#039;re pushing it, you can&#039;t do five extra minutes?&quot;  And then I would.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this is a bit late, but I have something to add about the embarassment factor of going to the gym when you are jiggly.  It&#8217;s something that always used to bug me, and made me not want to hit the machines, because I felt like people were totally judging my athleticism&#8230;. and then I realized that, if anything, people at health clubs tend to smile at the fat people on the machines, in a friendly way.  I find myself doing it too sometimes- when someone who is fat is on a machine in front of me, I kind of cheer them on in my head, because it is scary going to the gym and because, athletic though you can be at any size, it does burn more calories to do the same workout- it&#8217;s harder.  That&#8217;s why I used to love going when The Biggest Loser was on- all those people would be TRYING so hard, I&#8217;d have to just say to myself, &#8220;c&#8217;mon Caro, look how hard they&#8217;re pushing it, you can&#8217;t do five extra minutes?&#8221;  And then I would.</p>
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		<title>By: littlem</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/11/15/open-for-discussion-the-jiggle-factor/#comment-26257</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 03:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is this the thread where we get to ask about workout partners? (I saw some of you all talking about rock climbing somewhere.  Scary.  Rock on.)

Is there someone in NYC who might be interested in going to Pilates with me?  Duets are &lt;i&gt;so&lt;/i&gt; much less expensive (and frequently also somewhat less demoralizing, there&#039;s two of you instead of just you vs. the instructor :-)) than privates.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this the thread where we get to ask about workout partners? (I saw some of you all talking about rock climbing somewhere.  Scary.  Rock on.)</p>
<p>Is there someone in NYC who might be interested in going to Pilates with me?  Duets are <i>so</i> much less expensive (and frequently also somewhat less demoralizing, there&#8217;s two of you instead of just you vs. the instructor :-)) than privates.</p>
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		<title>By: Phledge</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/11/15/open-for-discussion-the-jiggle-factor/#comment-24093</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phledge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read this today 

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5646a1.htm?s_cid=mm5646a1_e

and I thought y&#039;all would appreciate one of the discrepancies that neither the authors nor editors mention:  the &quot;when not working&quot; clause.  If I were a bricklayer or ditchdigger or even a nanny cleaning houses and running after rich people spawn, I most CERTAINLY would not need, nor feel the need, to engage in physical activity at the end of my 17-hour day.  But look at the unhealthy poor people!  They don&#039;t understand that one needs exercise for good health!

Gah.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this today </p>
<p><a href="http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5646a1.htm?s_cid=mm5646a1_e" rel="nofollow">http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5646a1.htm?s_cid=mm5646a1_e</a></p>
<p>and I thought y&#8217;all would appreciate one of the discrepancies that neither the authors nor editors mention:  the &#8220;when not working&#8221; clause.  If I were a bricklayer or ditchdigger or even a nanny cleaning houses and running after rich people spawn, I most CERTAINLY would not need, nor feel the need, to engage in physical activity at the end of my 17-hour day.  But look at the unhealthy poor people!  They don&#8217;t understand that one needs exercise for good health!</p>
<p>Gah.</p>
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		<title>By: Sirriamnis</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/11/15/open-for-discussion-the-jiggle-factor/#comment-23669</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sirriamnis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The whole thing about being overweight changing your stride and therefore stressing your knees unduly is crap.  Seriously, I was diagnosed with that sort of knee damage several years ago, long before I reached this weight.  And what the doctor told me when he diagnosed me was that because of the angles created by the female pelvis, most athletically active women will wind up with that sort of knee damage.  

So, no, it&#039;s not the weight or at least not solely the weight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole thing about being overweight changing your stride and therefore stressing your knees unduly is crap.  Seriously, I was diagnosed with that sort of knee damage several years ago, long before I reached this weight.  And what the doctor told me when he diagnosed me was that because of the angles created by the female pelvis, most athletically active women will wind up with that sort of knee damage.  </p>
<p>So, no, it&#8217;s not the weight or at least not solely the weight.</p>
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		<title>By: spacedcowgirl</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/11/15/open-for-discussion-the-jiggle-factor/#comment-23636</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spacedcowgirl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wriggles, I agree with you. Not everyone is going to enjoy exercise, yet exercise seems to be a key component of HAES. It is sort of troubling because it is assumed that eventually everyone will find something that they enjoy, but I don&#039;t know if that is true. And especially if your life is super-busy (long work hours, commutes, kids, home-ownership, etc.) is it really better to sacrifice sleep or reading a book or whatever to get in your &quot;hour a day&quot; or half-hour a day? I don&#039;t know the answers to these questions. And I also agree that I don&#039;t know if it is actually good for you if you hate every moment of it. These are not easy issues.

For example, I myself appear to hate yoga. I tried starting with the beginner DVDs and the OCD that comes up where I feel so much frustration if I can&#039;t get the pose exactly right becomes (as you said) intolerable to me. When I am running I enjoy striving to get a faster mile time, or feel good when my heart rate is lower than it used to be, or train to increase my stride rate. If I have a bad run or I can&#039;t improve these numbers, I don&#039;t seem to stress too much. But I find the effort to &quot;improve&quot; at yoga to be annoying and unpleasant and uncomfortable. I don&#039;t know why that difference exists. I could try giving it another chance but I&#039;ve already given it several, so basically I&#039;ve decided I don&#039;t want to do it anymore.

Also, I do enjoy the act of running and I rarely get to the end of the workday and feel strongly that I don&#039;t want to run. The prospect of doing it sounds OK to good generally. So you could say I like it for its own sake. But the biggest benefit I get out of it is it really helps my depression and seems to help calm my ADD-leaning brain (unfortunately, the days when it makes the largest dent are those rare days when I really, really don&#039;t want to do it, but I have learned over time that those are the most important days to do it because they are the days when I will feel dramatically better when I am done). So there is some delayed gratification there too. It is sort of complicated for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wriggles, I agree with you. Not everyone is going to enjoy exercise, yet exercise seems to be a key component of HAES. It is sort of troubling because it is assumed that eventually everyone will find something that they enjoy, but I don&#8217;t know if that is true. And especially if your life is super-busy (long work hours, commutes, kids, home-ownership, etc.) is it really better to sacrifice sleep or reading a book or whatever to get in your &#8220;hour a day&#8221; or half-hour a day? I don&#8217;t know the answers to these questions. And I also agree that I don&#8217;t know if it is actually good for you if you hate every moment of it. These are not easy issues.</p>
<p>For example, I myself appear to hate yoga. I tried starting with the beginner DVDs and the OCD that comes up where I feel so much frustration if I can&#8217;t get the pose exactly right becomes (as you said) intolerable to me. When I am running I enjoy striving to get a faster mile time, or feel good when my heart rate is lower than it used to be, or train to increase my stride rate. If I have a bad run or I can&#8217;t improve these numbers, I don&#8217;t seem to stress too much. But I find the effort to &#8220;improve&#8221; at yoga to be annoying and unpleasant and uncomfortable. I don&#8217;t know why that difference exists. I could try giving it another chance but I&#8217;ve already given it several, so basically I&#8217;ve decided I don&#8217;t want to do it anymore.</p>
<p>Also, I do enjoy the act of running and I rarely get to the end of the workday and feel strongly that I don&#8217;t want to run. The prospect of doing it sounds OK to good generally. So you could say I like it for its own sake. But the biggest benefit I get out of it is it really helps my depression and seems to help calm my ADD-leaning brain (unfortunately, the days when it makes the largest dent are those rare days when I really, really don&#8217;t want to do it, but I have learned over time that those are the most important days to do it because they are the days when I will feel dramatically better when I am done). So there is some delayed gratification there too. It is sort of complicated for me.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/11/15/open-for-discussion-the-jiggle-factor/#comment-23600</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Adi

I have not tried this shoe store yet, but it has several shoes in your size

http://www.daveswideshoes.com/

William]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Adi</p>
<p>I have not tried this shoe store yet, but it has several shoes in your size</p>
<p><a href="http://www.daveswideshoes.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.daveswideshoes.com/</a></p>
<p>William</p>
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		<title>By: maewyn</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/11/15/open-for-discussion-the-jiggle-factor/#comment-23585</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[maewyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not doing yoga much these days, but I got one of the best things ever from the couple of classes I went to (after years of DVDs at home): A loud breath. The instructors *wanted* us to breathe loudly, and one even said that if the person next to you should be able to hear you breathing. Once I just let go of all the &quot;OMG, I&#039;m breathing too loud, they&#039;re all going to think it&#039;s because I&#039;m fat, they&#039;ll hate me&quot; angst and breathed as loud as my body wanted to breathe, it was SO much easier to connect to my breath. My whole yoga practice improved from that. (Also the knees-out modification to Child&#039;s Pose. Holy crap, who knew that was a resting pose?!)

My best friend and I just joined a gym, too, and while I haven&#039;t gone by myself yet, everybody there has been concentrating too hard on their own workouts to bother saying shit to the fat chicks. Yeah, my face gets all red and I breathe hard sometimes -- I&#039;m working out! If I weren&#039;t sweaty I&#039;d be doing it wrong.

In fat, I haven&#039;t been to the gym for a week and I can&#039;t wait to get back. My gym offers four free appointments with a personal trainer, too, and I&#039;m excited to talk to one; I&#039;ve gotten over my fear of not knowing how to use the equipment, but I would like to know which ones would be best for me to use. (Also geeked to hear that more leg strength will help my poor arthritic knees -- which were arthritic when I was young and thin, too, so it ain&#039;t the fat.)

All the comments here have been so great to read!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not doing yoga much these days, but I got one of the best things ever from the couple of classes I went to (after years of DVDs at home): A loud breath. The instructors *wanted* us to breathe loudly, and one even said that if the person next to you should be able to hear you breathing. Once I just let go of all the &#8220;OMG, I&#8217;m breathing too loud, they&#8217;re all going to think it&#8217;s because I&#8217;m fat, they&#8217;ll hate me&#8221; angst and breathed as loud as my body wanted to breathe, it was SO much easier to connect to my breath. My whole yoga practice improved from that. (Also the knees-out modification to Child&#8217;s Pose. Holy crap, who knew that was a resting pose?!)</p>
<p>My best friend and I just joined a gym, too, and while I haven&#8217;t gone by myself yet, everybody there has been concentrating too hard on their own workouts to bother saying shit to the fat chicks. Yeah, my face gets all red and I breathe hard sometimes &#8212; I&#8217;m working out! If I weren&#8217;t sweaty I&#8217;d be doing it wrong.</p>
<p>In fat, I haven&#8217;t been to the gym for a week and I can&#8217;t wait to get back. My gym offers four free appointments with a personal trainer, too, and I&#8217;m excited to talk to one; I&#8217;ve gotten over my fear of not knowing how to use the equipment, but I would like to know which ones would be best for me to use. (Also geeked to hear that more leg strength will help my poor arthritic knees &#8212; which were arthritic when I was young and thin, too, so it ain&#8217;t the fat.)</p>
<p>All the comments here have been so great to read!</p>
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		<title>By: wriggles</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I said - I don&#039;t think its anything to be ashamed of or overcome.... 

I should like to correct that and say that -I don&#039;t think it&#039;s anything to be ashamed of, or overcome by force.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I said &#8211; I don&#8217;t think its anything to be ashamed of or overcome&#8230;. </p>
<p>I should like to correct that and say that -I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s anything to be ashamed of, or overcome by force.</p>
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