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		<title>By: You&#8217;re so vain. You probably think this post is about you. &#171; I AM in shape. ROUND is a shape.</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/11/05/douchehound-of-the-day-2/#comment-63591</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[You&#8217;re so vain. You probably think this post is about you. &#171; I AM in shape. ROUND is a shape.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] other label which will inflate your ego; you&#8217;re just sadly mistaken. Others may do so, and very well, but I don&#8217;t work that way.  Sorry, but you didn&#8217;t make the fat woman cry.  In fact; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] other label which will inflate your ego; you&#8217;re just sadly mistaken. Others may do so, and very well, but I don&#8217;t work that way.  Sorry, but you didn&#8217;t make the fat woman cry.  In fact; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Soundbites &#171; Finally, A Feminism 101 Blog</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/11/05/douchehound-of-the-day-2/#comment-39257</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Soundbites &#171; Finally, A Feminism 101 Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] (commenting at Shapely Prose): I find it shameful that people expect genetically heavier people (or people who [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (commenting at Shapely Prose): I find it shameful that people expect genetically heavier people (or people who [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Awesome: My very own douchehound! &#171; Fat-o-matic</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/11/05/douchehound-of-the-day-2/#comment-23779</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Awesome: My very own douchehound! &#171; Fat-o-matic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] fatphobia, idiocy &#160;  Oh happy day! Now I&#8217;m a real blogger. Yes, my very own douchehound has stopped by and left some comments so I can play Fate Hate Bingo too. *sheds a [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] fatphobia, idiocy &nbsp;  Oh happy day! Now I&#8217;m a real blogger. Yes, my very own douchehound has stopped by and left some comments so I can play Fate Hate Bingo too. *sheds a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jenk3</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/11/05/douchehound-of-the-day-2/#comment-22299</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jenk3]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, Em, didn&#039;t it occur to her that stopping the MEDICATION might have an affect?

Re fat people not being &quot;able&quot; to get married, does this mean I have to break up with both my partners or just the legal hubby?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Em, didn&#8217;t it occur to her that stopping the MEDICATION might have an affect?</p>
<p>Re fat people not being &#8220;able&#8221; to get married, does this mean I have to break up with both my partners or just the legal hubby?</p>
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		<title>By: spacedcowgirl</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/11/05/douchehound-of-the-day-2/#comment-21224</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spacedcowgirl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Holy cow, I had no idea Gwennie had such extreme ideas. Thank goodness I never got any further into it than I did.

Fat people won&#039;t go to heaven, eh? What about thin people who never lift a finger to help their fellow man? Hmmph.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy cow, I had no idea Gwennie had such extreme ideas. Thank goodness I never got any further into it than I did.</p>
<p>Fat people won&#8217;t go to heaven, eh? What about thin people who never lift a finger to help their fellow man? Hmmph.</p>
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		<title>By: Mari</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/11/05/douchehound-of-the-day-2/#comment-21194</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mari]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Err . . .

let me rephase that.

Heaven forbid that someone might actually have something
different to say that wouldn&#039;t support the existence of their
empty, meaningless, consumer-driven lives that spends
more time picking on fat people than anything else. Like
ending starvation in third-world countries.

JUST TELL THEM TO SHUT UP AND GO EAT A SANDWICH!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Err . . .</p>
<p>let me rephase that.</p>
<p>Heaven forbid that someone might actually have something<br />
different to say that wouldn&#8217;t support the existence of their<br />
empty, meaningless, consumer-driven lives that spends<br />
more time picking on fat people than anything else. Like<br />
ending starvation in third-world countries.</p>
<p>JUST TELL THEM TO SHUT UP AND GO EAT A SANDWICH!</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/11/05/douchehound-of-the-day-2/#comment-21177</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rachel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Renfrew Center - a renowned and very expensive eating disorder facility - began offering spiritually-based treatment programs earlier this year, also.  

I find this and the whole concept of religion-based diets to be very ironic, considering many pro-ana sites elevate anorexia next to godliness - starvation is considered holy, coveted, and ideal.  The first documented cases of anorexia, in fact, were bound in religious asceticism.  In the twelfth century, an anorexic girl of today would have been seen as holy and touched by god.   

RE: Gwen Shamblin&#039;s Weigh Down diet, spacedcowgirl wrote:

&lt;i&gt;and I was sort of convinced that God really would look favorably on me “getting control of” my weight. &lt;/i&gt;

Herein lies the problem with religion-based diets.  If you lose weight, god must be smiling down upon you.  If you don&#039;t lose weight, you not only lack discipline, you lack obedience to god.  And should you gain the weight back, as most dieters are prone to do, religion-based diets encourage people to see this as reflection of a lack in faith. 

Shamblin maintains that salvation isn&#039;t achieved through god&#039;s grace, but through effort and repentance.  Fat people, she has said, cannot be saved and won&#039;t go to heaven until they &quot;suffer&quot; and lose weight.   &quot;Grace does not go down into the pigpen,&quot; she has said.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Renfrew Center &#8211; a renowned and very expensive eating disorder facility &#8211; began offering spiritually-based treatment programs earlier this year, also.  </p>
<p>I find this and the whole concept of religion-based diets to be very ironic, considering many pro-ana sites elevate anorexia next to godliness &#8211; starvation is considered holy, coveted, and ideal.  The first documented cases of anorexia, in fact, were bound in religious asceticism.  In the twelfth century, an anorexic girl of today would have been seen as holy and touched by god.   </p>
<p>RE: Gwen Shamblin&#8217;s Weigh Down diet, spacedcowgirl wrote:</p>
<p><i>and I was sort of convinced that God really would look favorably on me “getting control of” my weight. </i></p>
<p>Herein lies the problem with religion-based diets.  If you lose weight, god must be smiling down upon you.  If you don&#8217;t lose weight, you not only lack discipline, you lack obedience to god.  And should you gain the weight back, as most dieters are prone to do, religion-based diets encourage people to see this as reflection of a lack in faith. </p>
<p>Shamblin maintains that salvation isn&#8217;t achieved through god&#8217;s grace, but through effort and repentance.  Fat people, she has said, cannot be saved and won&#8217;t go to heaven until they &#8220;suffer&#8221; and lose weight.   &#8220;Grace does not go down into the pigpen,&#8221; she has said.</p>
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		<title>By: spacedcowgirl</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/11/05/douchehound-of-the-day-2/#comment-21074</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spacedcowgirl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Emerald, that is a really interesting point about overconsumption. If people can just find one group to scapegoat for it, then they don&#039;t have to feel any guilt or make any changes themselves. Hmm... scapegoating... another biblical concept there... you would almost think morality and fat were inextricably linked in a lot of people&#039;s minds in our society. :P]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emerald, that is a really interesting point about overconsumption. If people can just find one group to scapegoat for it, then they don&#8217;t have to feel any guilt or make any changes themselves. Hmm&#8230; scapegoating&#8230; another biblical concept there&#8230; you would almost think morality and fat were inextricably linked in a lot of people&#8217;s minds in our society. :P</p>
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		<title>By: spacedcowgirl</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/11/05/douchehound-of-the-day-2/#comment-21072</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spacedcowgirl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Said Higgs: “I looked everywhere in Scripture to find an example where fleshiness itself was a problem. Certainly we never hear about anyone’s dress size. What size did Ruth wear? Her very name means ‘beauty,’ but her size and shape are not mentioned. Her character, on the other hand, is discussed at length.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That is SO awesome.

These days we have the Weigh Down Diet (which is at least based on eating when hungry and stopping when full, though it is quite legalistic as I recall) and I remember reading another one in high school called &quot;Free to be Thin&quot; from the &#039;70s or something. At the very least, the fact that these &quot;Biblical diets&quot; keep coming up once every 10-20 years should give people some pause. If you lose weight and gain it back, that&#039;s one thing, but if you truly believe you have found the one true answer because Jesus is guiding your weight loss, and you still gain it back, that has got to be somewhat disconcerting.

I briefly considered trying to do Weigh Down a while back because it seemed sort of similar to Geneen Roth&#039;s ideas, and I was sort of convinced that God really would look favorably on me &quot;getting control of&quot; my weight. Then later I decided that if he had an opinion on it at all, he would probably much rather I was out doing some good than spending all my mental energy weighing and measuring food or &quot;sculpting&quot; myself in the gym. Talk about self-centeredness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Said Higgs: “I looked everywhere in Scripture to find an example where fleshiness itself was a problem. Certainly we never hear about anyone’s dress size. What size did Ruth wear? Her very name means ‘beauty,’ but her size and shape are not mentioned. Her character, on the other hand, is discussed at length.”</p></blockquote>
<p>That is SO awesome.</p>
<p>These days we have the Weigh Down Diet (which is at least based on eating when hungry and stopping when full, though it is quite legalistic as I recall) and I remember reading another one in high school called &#8220;Free to be Thin&#8221; from the &#8217;70s or something. At the very least, the fact that these &#8220;Biblical diets&#8221; keep coming up once every 10-20 years should give people some pause. If you lose weight and gain it back, that&#8217;s one thing, but if you truly believe you have found the one true answer because Jesus is guiding your weight loss, and you still gain it back, that has got to be somewhat disconcerting.</p>
<p>I briefly considered trying to do Weigh Down a while back because it seemed sort of similar to Geneen Roth&#8217;s ideas, and I was sort of convinced that God really would look favorably on me &#8220;getting control of&#8221; my weight. Then later I decided that if he had an opinion on it at all, he would probably much rather I was out doing some good than spending all my mental energy weighing and measuring food or &#8220;sculpting&#8221; myself in the gym. Talk about self-centeredness.</p>
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		<title>By: Emerald</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/11/05/douchehound-of-the-day-2/#comment-20998</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emerald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Higgs has a great point.  Lots of signs in the Old Testament that fat was a very positive thing.  Nice plump sheep and cattle, lots of jars of olive oil.  Practical, real, earthly blessings that meant your tribe wasn&#039;t starving to death, basically.  

(Fasting came in a lot later, with the body-hating influence of some Greek schools of thought on early Christianity.  I love what Julia Cameron said about fasting - it gets God&#039;s attention because, in Her Jewish mother aspect, She worries that you&#039;re not eating!)

I&#039;m recalling a book here, I think it was by Shelley Bovey way back in the 80s, which illustrated the Biblical quote &quot;Thy clouds drop fatness...&quot; with a picture of lots of fat nude angels falling out of the sky.  Cute.

I really think if Christians are going to re-emphasize gluttony as a deadly sin, they should redefine it as ANY kind of excessive consumption - energy, resources, anything.  (I often think this is a reason behind the rising level of attacks on fat: people are painfully aware of how much of the earth&#039;s resources we&#039;re over-consuming as a society, so it&#039;s &quot;Let&#039;s assuage our guilt by blaming the people who - we think - LOOK as if they&#039;ve been over-consuming&quot;.  I mean, c&#039;mon, we&#039;re more or less being blamed for global warming as it is...)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Higgs has a great point.  Lots of signs in the Old Testament that fat was a very positive thing.  Nice plump sheep and cattle, lots of jars of olive oil.  Practical, real, earthly blessings that meant your tribe wasn&#8217;t starving to death, basically.  </p>
<p>(Fasting came in a lot later, with the body-hating influence of some Greek schools of thought on early Christianity.  I love what Julia Cameron said about fasting &#8211; it gets God&#8217;s attention because, in Her Jewish mother aspect, She worries that you&#8217;re not eating!)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m recalling a book here, I think it was by Shelley Bovey way back in the 80s, which illustrated the Biblical quote &#8220;Thy clouds drop fatness&#8230;&#8221; with a picture of lots of fat nude angels falling out of the sky.  Cute.</p>
<p>I really think if Christians are going to re-emphasize gluttony as a deadly sin, they should redefine it as ANY kind of excessive consumption &#8211; energy, resources, anything.  (I often think this is a reason behind the rising level of attacks on fat: people are painfully aware of how much of the earth&#8217;s resources we&#8217;re over-consuming as a society, so it&#8217;s &#8220;Let&#8217;s assuage our guilt by blaming the people who &#8211; we think &#8211; LOOK as if they&#8217;ve been over-consuming&#8221;.  I mean, c&#8217;mon, we&#8217;re more or less being blamed for global warming as it is&#8230;)</p>
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