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		<title>By: Cancer Survivor</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/11/01/open-for-discussion-getting-cancer-is-your-fault-especially-if-youre-fat/#comment-40827</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cancer Survivor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many of the ways we try to loose weight -- diet soda and diet foods laden with chemicals, etc - are cancer causers.  That being said, as a breast cancer survivor,  I was told to loose weight or die...just like that.  I&#039;ve connected with many women of my wieght and height at http://www.cancermatch.com and I have learned to accept my size, be happy and focus on survivint cancer with the body of me that I love.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of the ways we try to loose weight &#8212; diet soda and diet foods laden with chemicals, etc &#8211; are cancer causers.  That being said, as a breast cancer survivor,  I was told to loose weight or die&#8230;just like that.  I&#8217;ve connected with many women of my wieght and height at <a href="http://www.cancermatch.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.cancermatch.com</a> and I have learned to accept my size, be happy and focus on survivint cancer with the body of me that I love.</p>
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		<title>By: spacedcowgirl</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/11/01/open-for-discussion-getting-cancer-is-your-fault-especially-if-youre-fat/#comment-20528</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spacedcowgirl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 05:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Emerald, it is so interesting that you bring that up because one of the cholesterol-lowering drugs has a somewhat similar campaign right now, where they emphasize that your cholesterol level is influenced both by your diet and your genetics. (Actually I remember one from a couple of years ago that was even more similar... they would have these people doing various things with their cholesterol number superimposed on them, so the larger guy sitting on a bench might say &quot;155&quot; and the thin lady running past him might say &quot;209.&quot; The point being that you couldn&#039;t tell by appearance or even habit what someone&#039;s cholesterol was.) But those are the only instances I remember where, as you say, they admit that cholesterol is not entirely a function of how frequently you stuff donuts into your fat face (or whatever unflattering image they might usually use).

Isn&#039;t it ridiculous that the ONLY times we have ever seen this message are times when they want to either make it socially acceptable to use expensive cholesterol-lowering drugs, or scare people into getting tested (at which point they can be put on expensive cholesterol-lowering drugs as warranted) even though they may feel healthy? I guess the rest of the time the money is in making us feel bad for being fat, whereas in these isolated instances it pays better to admit that the truth is more complicated. That is fucked up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emerald, it is so interesting that you bring that up because one of the cholesterol-lowering drugs has a somewhat similar campaign right now, where they emphasize that your cholesterol level is influenced both by your diet and your genetics. (Actually I remember one from a couple of years ago that was even more similar&#8230; they would have these people doing various things with their cholesterol number superimposed on them, so the larger guy sitting on a bench might say &#8220;155&#8243; and the thin lady running past him might say &#8220;209.&#8221; The point being that you couldn&#8217;t tell by appearance or even habit what someone&#8217;s cholesterol was.) But those are the only instances I remember where, as you say, they admit that cholesterol is not entirely a function of how frequently you stuff donuts into your fat face (or whatever unflattering image they might usually use).</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it ridiculous that the ONLY times we have ever seen this message are times when they want to either make it socially acceptable to use expensive cholesterol-lowering drugs, or scare people into getting tested (at which point they can be put on expensive cholesterol-lowering drugs as warranted) even though they may feel healthy? I guess the rest of the time the money is in making us feel bad for being fat, whereas in these isolated instances it pays better to admit that the truth is more complicated. That is fucked up.</p>
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		<title>By: Emerald</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/11/01/open-for-discussion-getting-cancer-is-your-fault-especially-if-youre-fat/#comment-20259</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emerald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[YOU CAN’T TELL BY LOOKING AT US.

Ooh, that brings back memories.  About a decade and a bit ago when I worked in London, there was an ad on the Tube that showed two guys - actually it was the same guy and they&#039;d just doctored the photos, so it looked like twins, one fat, one thin..  Caption: &quot;You can&#039;t tell by looking who&#039;s got high cholesterol.&quot;  Aim was to get people going in Boots, our big drugstore chain here in the UK, to get their cholesterol tested in-store.

That&#039;s the ONE time I&#039;ve ever seen anything that admitted this among all the other fat-is-unhealthy messages.  Something that actually implied that just because you were thin didn&#039;t mean you were OK.  The fact that I remember it after all these years shows how rare it is, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YOU CAN’T TELL BY LOOKING AT US.</p>
<p>Ooh, that brings back memories.  About a decade and a bit ago when I worked in London, there was an ad on the Tube that showed two guys &#8211; actually it was the same guy and they&#8217;d just doctored the photos, so it looked like twins, one fat, one thin..  Caption: &#8220;You can&#8217;t tell by looking who&#8217;s got high cholesterol.&#8221;  Aim was to get people going in Boots, our big drugstore chain here in the UK, to get their cholesterol tested in-store.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the ONE time I&#8217;ve ever seen anything that admitted this among all the other fat-is-unhealthy messages.  Something that actually implied that just because you were thin didn&#8217;t mean you were OK.  The fact that I remember it after all these years shows how rare it is, though.</p>
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		<title>By: wriggles</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/11/01/open-for-discussion-getting-cancer-is-your-fault-especially-if-youre-fat/#comment-20190</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wriggles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it&#039;s time to enact my master plan, hide under the covers, I&#039;ll be safe there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s time to enact my master plan, hide under the covers, I&#8217;ll be safe there.</p>
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		<title>By: spacedcowgirl</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/11/01/open-for-discussion-getting-cancer-is-your-fault-especially-if-youre-fat/#comment-20034</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spacedcowgirl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sarah, no, no they would not. Condescending jerks. &quot;When was the last time they went to the doctor...&quot; Leaving aside that maybe the fat women HAVEN&#039;T been to the doctor recently because going to the doctor is such a shaming experience for fat people, where does the commenter get off presuming they know ANYTHING about when the last time was that someone went to the doctor? Here is a handy reminder for &quot;normal weight&quot; people to keep in mind and it&#039;s real easy because it applies to any and all assumptions they might consider making. YOU CAN&#039;T TELL BY LOOKING AT US. No, I don&#039;t care what you were talking about, whether it is an assumption about health, health care, diet, mobility, exercise, happiness, intelligence, income, or when the last time was that I got laid. You can&#039;t tell by looking at me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah, no, no they would not. Condescending jerks. &#8220;When was the last time they went to the doctor&#8230;&#8221; Leaving aside that maybe the fat women HAVEN&#8217;T been to the doctor recently because going to the doctor is such a shaming experience for fat people, where does the commenter get off presuming they know ANYTHING about when the last time was that someone went to the doctor? Here is a handy reminder for &#8220;normal weight&#8221; people to keep in mind and it&#8217;s real easy because it applies to any and all assumptions they might consider making. YOU CAN&#8217;T TELL BY LOOKING AT US. No, I don&#8217;t care what you were talking about, whether it is an assumption about health, health care, diet, mobility, exercise, happiness, intelligence, income, or when the last time was that I got laid. You can&#8217;t tell by looking at me.</p>
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		<title>By: SarahMich</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/11/01/open-for-discussion-getting-cancer-is-your-fault-especially-if-youre-fat/#comment-19817</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SarahMich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 23:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m really glad my Mom was fat when she got breast cancer, because it was insurance for when she got sick from the treatments.

She was a non-smoking, non-alcohol-drinking, health-food loving (dude, she sent me to grade school with turkey on whole wheat with alfalfa sprout sammiches) woman for her whole life. Didn&#039;t keep her from being fat or getting cancer.

I&#039;m pretty touchy about the idea that we have only ourselves to blame for our illnesses (for the most part). That&#039;s f*cking BULLSHIT.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really glad my Mom was fat when she got breast cancer, because it was insurance for when she got sick from the treatments.</p>
<p>She was a non-smoking, non-alcohol-drinking, health-food loving (dude, she sent me to grade school with turkey on whole wheat with alfalfa sprout sammiches) woman for her whole life. Didn&#8217;t keep her from being fat or getting cancer.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty touchy about the idea that we have only ourselves to blame for our illnesses (for the most part). That&#8217;s f*cking BULLSHIT.</p>
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		<title>By: Meowser</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Meowser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 23:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;” I wonder what the reaction would be if someone had stood up on Tyra’s stage and said they were a pack-a-day smoker and that’s just the way they are and that they’re healthy and hot. Would the audience applaud that?”&lt;/em&gt;

Yeah, probably, if she looked like Scarlett Johansson.

Anyway, nobody would send an otherwise unremarkable looking pack-a-day smoker straight to the hospital just because they smoked.  And if anyone claims otherwise, I demand to see their DVD and MP3 collections and their Tivo schedules.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>” I wonder what the reaction would be if someone had stood up on Tyra’s stage and said they were a pack-a-day smoker and that’s just the way they are and that they’re healthy and hot. Would the audience applaud that?”</em></p>
<p>Yeah, probably, if she looked like Scarlett Johansson.</p>
<p>Anyway, nobody would send an otherwise unremarkable looking pack-a-day smoker straight to the hospital just because they smoked.  And if anyone claims otherwise, I demand to see their DVD and MP3 collections and their Tivo schedules.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sarah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[spacedcowgirl, I think the original comment about &quot;loving&quot; ourselves is gone... But, I still have to make a comment about it. 

Would the original commenter give that same advice to a thinner person too? Probably not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>spacedcowgirl, I think the original comment about &#8220;loving&#8221; ourselves is gone&#8230; But, I still have to make a comment about it. </p>
<p>Would the original commenter give that same advice to a thinner person too? Probably not.</p>
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		<title>By: La di Da</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/11/01/open-for-discussion-getting-cancer-is-your-fault-especially-if-youre-fat/#comment-19785</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[La di Da]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I have a bunch of global warming skeptics in my office and they are willing to write off the life’s work of thousands of scientists with a single stroke of the pen. “I bet they just have an agenda.” THEY have an agenda?! They sat in front of a computer model for 10 years of their life, or went and collected samples at the North Pole, or whatever, and analyzed the data with their blood, sweat, and tears and got it published in a rigorous peer-reviewed publication and you are willing to dismiss it just like that just because you sort of feel like another reality would be more convenient for you to believe?&lt;/i&gt;

Reading &lt;i&gt;Rethinking Thin&lt;/i&gt;, it seems there are some (ok, a tiny handful of) &quot;obesity&quot; researchers that are like this - not exactly supportive of fat acceptance but they know that fat  bodies are pretty much genetic, because they discovered the damn gene and various complicated hormonal regulations after years and years of hard slog. And they know weight loss is only ever temporary for all but a tiny percentage. Yet &quot;everybody knows fat is bad and all down to personal laziness and gluttony&quot; prevails even amongst medical and scientific professionals because &quot;fat people are gross and I shouldn&#039;t have to look at them&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I have a bunch of global warming skeptics in my office and they are willing to write off the life’s work of thousands of scientists with a single stroke of the pen. “I bet they just have an agenda.” THEY have an agenda?! They sat in front of a computer model for 10 years of their life, or went and collected samples at the North Pole, or whatever, and analyzed the data with their blood, sweat, and tears and got it published in a rigorous peer-reviewed publication and you are willing to dismiss it just like that just because you sort of feel like another reality would be more convenient for you to believe?</i></p>
<p>Reading <i>Rethinking Thin</i>, it seems there are some (ok, a tiny handful of) &#8220;obesity&#8221; researchers that are like this &#8211; not exactly supportive of fat acceptance but they know that fat  bodies are pretty much genetic, because they discovered the damn gene and various complicated hormonal regulations after years and years of hard slog. And they know weight loss is only ever temporary for all but a tiny percentage. Yet &#8220;everybody knows fat is bad and all down to personal laziness and gluttony&#8221; prevails even amongst medical and scientific professionals because &#8220;fat people are gross and I shouldn&#8217;t have to look at them&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Emerald</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emerald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perrin, my sympathies to you.  Dealing with cancer must be hard enough without this kind of crap going round.

My dad had NHL, and one of the doctors told us that he probably survived as long as he did BECAUSE he was fat.  (He was diagnosed at age 50, and for his particular, apparently fairly rare subtype, they weren&#039;t initially expecting him to live another five years...he actually lived for another fifteen, most of them in fairly good shape for someone who&#039;d had chemo and the rest AND recovered from a major industrial accident that narrowly missed killing him partway through that time.)  He was also a lover of traditional fatty British country grub, a moderately heavy drinker and before I was conceived , a smoker, but the only possible risk factor his docs ever thought was important was that in his youth, he&#039;d worked in the fields every summer, and they used agricultural chemicals back then in the 50s that were later banned for their possibly carcinogenic effects.  No way to tell by that point, of course.  But he had a GP who, bless him, always advised him against trying to diet.  (Probably to my mother&#039;s disgust, knowing her!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perrin, my sympathies to you.  Dealing with cancer must be hard enough without this kind of crap going round.</p>
<p>My dad had NHL, and one of the doctors told us that he probably survived as long as he did BECAUSE he was fat.  (He was diagnosed at age 50, and for his particular, apparently fairly rare subtype, they weren&#8217;t initially expecting him to live another five years&#8230;he actually lived for another fifteen, most of them in fairly good shape for someone who&#8217;d had chemo and the rest AND recovered from a major industrial accident that narrowly missed killing him partway through that time.)  He was also a lover of traditional fatty British country grub, a moderately heavy drinker and before I was conceived , a smoker, but the only possible risk factor his docs ever thought was important was that in his youth, he&#8217;d worked in the fields every summer, and they used agricultural chemicals back then in the 50s that were later banned for their possibly carcinogenic effects.  No way to tell by that point, of course.  But he had a GP who, bless him, always advised him against trying to diet.  (Probably to my mother&#8217;s disgust, knowing her!)</p>
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