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		<title>By: Emerald</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/10/03/big-fat-love-to-carolyn-hax/#comment-17058</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emerald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stef, there was a survey some years back in the UK where couples were asked what they&#039;d do if they were having a baby and discovered it had a gene that would predispose it to obesity (OK, I know the genetic component in body weight is way more complex than one single gene, but anyway...)  6 out of 10 said they&#039;d choose to abort.  

Don&#039;t know who did the survey - it was years ago sometime in the 90s, I&#039;m going on what the Body Shop quoted in its fabulous little book on body love and self-esteem that they had out at the time.  But it wouldn&#039;t surprise me if the figures were higher now, to judge from some of the things I hear.  Sick, sick, sick.

I have a great-nephew just over 1 year old, and I&#039;ve already had snide comments from my mother to the effect that he&#039;s &#039;fat&#039;.  He&#039;s actually a big kid all ways, as is more or less everyone on my dad&#039;s side of the family.  And he&#039;s a sweet little guy.  The fact that she&#039;s hung up on something so superficial in a baby, FFS, says so much more about her.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stef, there was a survey some years back in the UK where couples were asked what they&#8217;d do if they were having a baby and discovered it had a gene that would predispose it to obesity (OK, I know the genetic component in body weight is way more complex than one single gene, but anyway&#8230;)  6 out of 10 said they&#8217;d choose to abort.  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know who did the survey &#8211; it was years ago sometime in the 90s, I&#8217;m going on what the Body Shop quoted in its fabulous little book on body love and self-esteem that they had out at the time.  But it wouldn&#8217;t surprise me if the figures were higher now, to judge from some of the things I hear.  Sick, sick, sick.</p>
<p>I have a great-nephew just over 1 year old, and I&#8217;ve already had snide comments from my mother to the effect that he&#8217;s &#8216;fat&#8217;.  He&#8217;s actually a big kid all ways, as is more or less everyone on my dad&#8217;s side of the family.  And he&#8217;s a sweet little guy.  The fact that she&#8217;s hung up on something so superficial in a baby, FFS, says so much more about her.</p>
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		<title>By: sara</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/10/03/big-fat-love-to-carolyn-hax/#comment-14436</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sara]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 06:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve thought about whether it would be right to have kids if I knew that they were most likely going to be fat and clinically depressed, courtesy of moi. But then I realized that I&#039;m that way, and I&#039;m beautiful and smart and fun. I have a wonderful life.  If this life that I have is what I&#039;m thinking of as a bad thing to inflict, what&#039;s wrong with me? 

I told my mom my epiphany, thinking she&#039;d be thrilled that I would give her grandchildren (eventually). I don&#039;t know when I&#039;ve seen her look so hurt and sad, just knowing I would think such superficial (though difficult) things would be worth not creating life over.  

IMHO, nobody should let her &quot;concerned&quot; friends and family breed since they&#039;ll only produce mean, judgmental beast children to terrorize the earth. If we&#039;re going to be having a citizen&#039;s eugenics squad, let&#039;s start with the things that matter and stop the meanies. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve thought about whether it would be right to have kids if I knew that they were most likely going to be fat and clinically depressed, courtesy of moi. But then I realized that I&#8217;m that way, and I&#8217;m beautiful and smart and fun. I have a wonderful life.  If this life that I have is what I&#8217;m thinking of as a bad thing to inflict, what&#8217;s wrong with me? </p>
<p>I told my mom my epiphany, thinking she&#8217;d be thrilled that I would give her grandchildren (eventually). I don&#8217;t know when I&#8217;ve seen her look so hurt and sad, just knowing I would think such superficial (though difficult) things would be worth not creating life over.  </p>
<p>IMHO, nobody should let her &#8220;concerned&#8221; friends and family breed since they&#8217;ll only produce mean, judgmental beast children to terrorize the earth. If we&#8217;re going to be having a citizen&#8217;s eugenics squad, let&#8217;s start with the things that matter and stop the meanies. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: stefanie</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/10/03/big-fat-love-to-carolyn-hax/#comment-14225</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stefanie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As awareness of the genetics of fat spreads, I can see the eugenicist arguments coming down the pipe.  Fat people will be pressured to not have kids, as fatness will be seen as a genetic defect akin to Tay-Sachs or cystic fibrosis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As awareness of the genetics of fat spreads, I can see the eugenicist arguments coming down the pipe.  Fat people will be pressured to not have kids, as fatness will be seen as a genetic defect akin to Tay-Sachs or cystic fibrosis.</p>
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		<title>By: fillyjonk</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/10/03/big-fat-love-to-carolyn-hax/#comment-14008</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fillyjonk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, but I&#039;m all in favor of exercise and healthy diet!  I&#039;ve never seen Carolyn use it as a bludgeon, though.  (And I don&#039;t remember her saying it will make you lose weight, though I wouldn&#039;t be surprised... everyone and their mom believes that one, just because everyone and their mom believes it.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but I&#8217;m all in favor of exercise and healthy diet!  I&#8217;ve never seen Carolyn use it as a bludgeon, though.  (And I don&#8217;t remember her saying it will make you lose weight, though I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised&#8230; everyone and their mom believes that one, just because everyone and their mom believes it.)</p>
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		<title>By: kate217</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/10/03/big-fat-love-to-carolyn-hax/#comment-14006</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kate217]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I read her column all the time, and she frequently beats the exercise and healthy diet drum.  Just because she gave it a pass here doesn&#039;t mean that she does with any regularity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I read her column all the time, and she frequently beats the exercise and healthy diet drum.  Just because she gave it a pass here doesn&#8217;t mean that she does with any regularity.</p>
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		<title>By: spacedcowgirl</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/10/03/big-fat-love-to-carolyn-hax/#comment-14005</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spacedcowgirl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Becky, you are so right!!! They can&#039;t even keep their fat hatred arguments straight anymore.

What is wrong with these people???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Becky, you are so right!!! They can&#8217;t even keep their fat hatred arguments straight anymore.</p>
<p>What is wrong with these people???</p>
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		<title>By: fillyjonk</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/10/03/big-fat-love-to-carolyn-hax/#comment-14003</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fillyjonk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Don’t they realise that what they are basically saying to this poor woman is: “It would be better if you had never been born”?&lt;/i&gt;

Oh wow.  Yes they are.  I hadn&#039;t realized this but you&#039;re absolutely right.

I, too, have been struck by how easy it is for people to accept the &quot;fat is genetic&quot; argument when it&#039;s easy/funny/convenient for them.  Like, if I say it, I&#039;m just a fatty looking for excuses.  But when Ben Stiller makes a joke in his shitball comedy about how his wife is going to get fat like her mama?  That&#039;s just SO TRUE!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Don’t they realise that what they are basically saying to this poor woman is: “It would be better if you had never been born”?</i></p>
<p>Oh wow.  Yes they are.  I hadn&#8217;t realized this but you&#8217;re absolutely right.</p>
<p>I, too, have been struck by how easy it is for people to accept the &#8220;fat is genetic&#8221; argument when it&#8217;s easy/funny/convenient for them.  Like, if I say it, I&#8217;m just a fatty looking for excuses.  But when Ben Stiller makes a joke in his shitball comedy about how his wife is going to get fat like her mama?  That&#8217;s just SO TRUE!</p>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/10/03/big-fat-love-to-carolyn-hax/#comment-14001</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Becky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Of the many ways to approach the issue, I&#039;m most fond of this one: realizing what your nearest and dearest have just said to your face, and sitting here speechless. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Seriously!  I can&#039;t believe the &lt;i&gt;nerve&lt;/i&gt; of some people!  Don&#039;t they realise that what they are basically saying to this poor woman is: &quot;It would be better if you had never been born&quot;?  It&#039;s just... it&#039;s cruel.  And presumptuous... even with all the baggage that comes with being fat in our society, I am still very happy to be alive and very grateful that my fat parents chose to concieve me.  

Also?  Doesn&#039;t this whole: &quot;Fat people shouldn&#039;t reproduce and bring more fat people into the world&quot; idea contradict the: &quot;Fat isn&#039;t genetic, that&#039;s just an excuse for people who are too lazy to change&quot; idea?

All that being said!  I agree that Carolyn Hax had a great response.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Of the many ways to approach the issue, I&#8217;m most fond of this one: realizing what your nearest and dearest have just said to your face, and sitting here speechless. </p></blockquote>
<p>Seriously!  I can&#8217;t believe the <i>nerve</i> of some people!  Don&#8217;t they realise that what they are basically saying to this poor woman is: &#8220;It would be better if you had never been born&#8221;?  It&#8217;s just&#8230; it&#8217;s cruel.  And presumptuous&#8230; even with all the baggage that comes with being fat in our society, I am still very happy to be alive and very grateful that my fat parents chose to concieve me.  </p>
<p>Also?  Doesn&#8217;t this whole: &#8220;Fat people shouldn&#8217;t reproduce and bring more fat people into the world&#8221; idea contradict the: &#8220;Fat isn&#8217;t genetic, that&#8217;s just an excuse for people who are too lazy to change&#8221; idea?</p>
<p>All that being said!  I agree that Carolyn Hax had a great response.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/10/03/big-fat-love-to-carolyn-hax/#comment-14000</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rachel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right on.  I&#039;m sure Hax doesn&#039;t see her column as a bully pulpit, but that&#039;s what it is.  I&#039;m glad she&#039;s using it for the force and not the dark side.  

As a side note: the newspaper I write for has a daily Guest Speaker editorial column, in which community members are invited to speak their mind on any subject they choose.  You don&#039;t have to be a professional writer, just one who can clearly and succinctly argue their points within 400 - 500 words.  I&#039;m sure other papers have a similar platform.  I would encourage more people to take advantage of media resources like this at their disposal.  There&#039;s so much bias against fat in the media and here&#039;s a perfect chance to present an alternate point of view.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on.  I&#8217;m sure Hax doesn&#8217;t see her column as a bully pulpit, but that&#8217;s what it is.  I&#8217;m glad she&#8217;s using it for the force and not the dark side.  </p>
<p>As a side note: the newspaper I write for has a daily Guest Speaker editorial column, in which community members are invited to speak their mind on any subject they choose.  You don&#8217;t have to be a professional writer, just one who can clearly and succinctly argue their points within 400 &#8211; 500 words.  I&#8217;m sure other papers have a similar platform.  I would encourage more people to take advantage of media resources like this at their disposal.  There&#8217;s so much bias against fat in the media and here&#8217;s a perfect chance to present an alternate point of view.</p>
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		<title>By: fillyjonk</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/10/03/big-fat-love-to-carolyn-hax/#comment-13996</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fillyjonk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Isn’t that what we’re all trying to do?&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, but a lot of people find us easy to dismiss.  We&#039;re just fatties trying to make excuses for our failures, or we&#039;re radicals who are too caught up in our cause to listen to reason, or whatever.  Harder to write off an unaffiliated thin person with a syndicated column.  Or at least that&#039;s what I choose to believe, having avoided the comments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Isn’t that what we’re all trying to do?</i></p>
<p>Yeah, but a lot of people find us easy to dismiss.  We&#8217;re just fatties trying to make excuses for our failures, or we&#8217;re radicals who are too caught up in our cause to listen to reason, or whatever.  Harder to write off an unaffiliated thin person with a syndicated column.  Or at least that&#8217;s what I choose to believe, having avoided the comments.</p>
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