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	<title>Comments on: Cheers and Jeers: Anorexia &#8216;n&#8217; Models Edition</title>
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		<title>By: V</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/25/cheers-and-jeers-anorexia-n-models-edition/#comment-13270</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[V]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At first, when I saw this add I was quite shocked.  However steeping back a little, I can honestly say that quite a bit of  good will probably come from this campaign.  
I am speaking here from experience....
At 20, I was under 75 lbs. At 44,  I am 115 lbs, wear a size 3 or 4 after having two children. Overall, I think  I am fat and I try to avoid a full length mirror.  I do not think that many people realize that when you have anorexia, it is an ongoing battle and you always see yourself as fat even if others see you as thin.
At first, upon seeing this add, I was a little sick to the stomach...then I realized that it was me 24 years ago.
Keep in mind that when you have this disorder, you cannot tell yourself apart from someone who wears a size 12 for instance.  Your vision of yourself  is diformed.  This campagnain WILL catch young girls&#039; and womens &#039; attention.  It sure caught mine!

Call it shock treatment therapy if you want.

I can tell you that I am not going to try to get back into a 2. I will bookmark this and  remind myself every day that I am fine...   Yes, it is a constant, ongoing  fight!
I am also going to show it to my 14 year old daughter as soon as she wakes up to keep her from followinf in my footsteps...She  wears a size 0 or 1 and she is 5 foot and 93 pounds.
Thank you Isabelle for coming forward and bringing this problem into the light. It took a lot of courage, people are very critical  but I know for a fact that it will help many.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At first, when I saw this add I was quite shocked.  However steeping back a little, I can honestly say that quite a bit of  good will probably come from this campaign.<br />
I am speaking here from experience&#8230;.<br />
At 20, I was under 75 lbs. At 44,  I am 115 lbs, wear a size 3 or 4 after having two children. Overall, I think  I am fat and I try to avoid a full length mirror.  I do not think that many people realize that when you have anorexia, it is an ongoing battle and you always see yourself as fat even if others see you as thin.<br />
At first, upon seeing this add, I was a little sick to the stomach&#8230;then I realized that it was me 24 years ago.<br />
Keep in mind that when you have this disorder, you cannot tell yourself apart from someone who wears a size 12 for instance.  Your vision of yourself  is diformed.  This campagnain WILL catch young girls&#8217; and womens &#8216; attention.  It sure caught mine!</p>
<p>Call it shock treatment therapy if you want.</p>
<p>I can tell you that I am not going to try to get back into a 2. I will bookmark this and  remind myself every day that I am fine&#8230;   Yes, it is a constant, ongoing  fight!<br />
I am also going to show it to my 14 year old daughter as soon as she wakes up to keep her from followinf in my footsteps&#8230;She  wears a size 0 or 1 and she is 5 foot and 93 pounds.<br />
Thank you Isabelle for coming forward and bringing this problem into the light. It took a lot of courage, people are very critical  but I know for a fact that it will help many.</p>
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		<title>By: LaMantis</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/25/cheers-and-jeers-anorexia-n-models-edition/#comment-13220</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LaMantis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also wanted to add that I find the anti-anorexia message the least creative one to have pursued given the issue it is supposed to be addressing .   Not every size 0 model has anorexia, so this campaign is quite the skinny-bash in that respect.  Yes, make an example of girls who think that extreme dieting is the way to go, but don&#039;t dump everyone else into the same category, k?

And I have a question: was Isabelle Caro a model?  Is that the point of using her image in particular?

If this campaign was aimed solely at halting the use of too-small models on the catwalk, then I think it presents as more of a &#039;when to stop dieting&#039;  visual guideline.  No.  Stop.  Anorexia. It is literally written on the billboard as such.

Why why why couldn&#039;t the message have been &quot;Yes.  Beautiful&quot; over the top of a gorgeous non-size 0 model such as Doutzen Kroes or even gasp, size 12  Crystal Renn?   Isn&#039;t the fashion industry supposed to grow tolerance for using healthier-looking models?  Why choose an extremely negative, shock-tactic message instead of  a more positive, inspirational visual then?

And *smacking forehead in eureka moment*   why don&#039;t governments make a point of legislating FOR size 4 or 6 instead of trying to legislate AGAINST size 0?  Wouldn&#039;t including bigger girls on the catwalk be an easier concept to police than trying to ban size 0s?? Imagine runway having a legally-required 6:4:2 ratio of sizes 2, 4 and 8 and an official writing out a fine for any designer that doesn&#039;t meet the ratio.   Genius!

Having a woman with anorexia &lt;a&gt;pout coquettishly over her shoulder&lt;/a&gt; to the Milanese traffic is not the best way forward.   Peace, out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also wanted to add that I find the anti-anorexia message the least creative one to have pursued given the issue it is supposed to be addressing .   Not every size 0 model has anorexia, so this campaign is quite the skinny-bash in that respect.  Yes, make an example of girls who think that extreme dieting is the way to go, but don&#8217;t dump everyone else into the same category, k?</p>
<p>And I have a question: was Isabelle Caro a model?  Is that the point of using her image in particular?</p>
<p>If this campaign was aimed solely at halting the use of too-small models on the catwalk, then I think it presents as more of a &#8216;when to stop dieting&#8217;  visual guideline.  No.  Stop.  Anorexia. It is literally written on the billboard as such.</p>
<p>Why why why couldn&#8217;t the message have been &#8220;Yes.  Beautiful&#8221; over the top of a gorgeous non-size 0 model such as Doutzen Kroes or even gasp, size 12  Crystal Renn?   Isn&#8217;t the fashion industry supposed to grow tolerance for using healthier-looking models?  Why choose an extremely negative, shock-tactic message instead of  a more positive, inspirational visual then?</p>
<p>And *smacking forehead in eureka moment*   why don&#8217;t governments make a point of legislating FOR size 4 or 6 instead of trying to legislate AGAINST size 0?  Wouldn&#8217;t including bigger girls on the catwalk be an easier concept to police than trying to ban size 0s?? Imagine runway having a legally-required 6:4:2 ratio of sizes 2, 4 and 8 and an official writing out a fine for any designer that doesn&#8217;t meet the ratio.   Genius!</p>
<p>Having a woman with anorexia <a>pout coquettishly over her shoulder</a> to the Milanese traffic is not the best way forward.   Peace, out.</p>
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		<title>By: LaMantis</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/25/cheers-and-jeers-anorexia-n-models-edition/#comment-13060</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LaMantis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 03:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So my take on this is *ahem* a bit different to everyone else&#039;s.

I imagine a group of people sitting around a table with photographer OlivieriToscani - who, you might remember, was responsible for all of those heinous Benetton ads of the 90&#039;s referencing AIDS to knitwear - plotting out how to create a campaign with an anti-anorexia message that got plenty of media attention and how best to put the client&#039;s name into the image without making it seem like they were going to profit off it somehow.

Then I imagine them casting a roomfull of anorexia sufferers, convincing them somehow that they should overcome their anxiety about their bodies and do this picture for the &#039;good of all other anorexia sufferers&#039; , and then editing down 100 or so shots of the chosen one, Caro, to find that one killer shot that would break our hearts the most.

Then I imagine an advertising agency locating all of the top outdoor sites in Milan so as to have maximum eye-reach during the shows, and placing the ads for maximum impact into any form of print advertising that would be seen in Milan during show week.

Yes, my heart weeps for Caro and her fellow sufferers.  But let&#039;s not ignore that there is indeed a lot more going on with this ad, and it IS all about money.  NoLita should be bloody ashamed of themselves for trying to position themselves as &#039;caring the most&#039; by presenting this campaign.  It IS about creating fear and loathing, and my main concern is that creates a too-brutal precedent to sell brand identity in this manner.  I can&#039;t wait to see what the bandwagon delivers.  NoLita and their ad people are vultures, plain and simple.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So my take on this is *ahem* a bit different to everyone else&#8217;s.</p>
<p>I imagine a group of people sitting around a table with photographer OlivieriToscani &#8211; who, you might remember, was responsible for all of those heinous Benetton ads of the 90&#8242;s referencing AIDS to knitwear &#8211; plotting out how to create a campaign with an anti-anorexia message that got plenty of media attention and how best to put the client&#8217;s name into the image without making it seem like they were going to profit off it somehow.</p>
<p>Then I imagine them casting a roomfull of anorexia sufferers, convincing them somehow that they should overcome their anxiety about their bodies and do this picture for the &#8216;good of all other anorexia sufferers&#8217; , and then editing down 100 or so shots of the chosen one, Caro, to find that one killer shot that would break our hearts the most.</p>
<p>Then I imagine an advertising agency locating all of the top outdoor sites in Milan so as to have maximum eye-reach during the shows, and placing the ads for maximum impact into any form of print advertising that would be seen in Milan during show week.</p>
<p>Yes, my heart weeps for Caro and her fellow sufferers.  But let&#8217;s not ignore that there is indeed a lot more going on with this ad, and it IS all about money.  NoLita should be bloody ashamed of themselves for trying to position themselves as &#8216;caring the most&#8217; by presenting this campaign.  It IS about creating fear and loathing, and my main concern is that creates a too-brutal precedent to sell brand identity in this manner.  I can&#8217;t wait to see what the bandwagon delivers.  NoLita and their ad people are vultures, plain and simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Grace</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/25/cheers-and-jeers-anorexia-n-models-edition/#comment-13046</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kathy G.: &quot;On the other hand, though, I’m not sure that banning models under a particular BMI is the answer. It seems heavy-handed and paternalistic. More than that, I worry that it opens the door to banning plus-size models. After all, if “health” is the reason that anorexic models are being banned, what’s to stop them from using bogus arguments about the so-called obesity epidemic and the alleged unhealthiness of fat to ban larger models as well?&quot;

I&#039;ve already seen this justification used by an editor of a women&#039;s magazine (not a high-fashion one; I think it was more of a middle-aged women&#039;s lifestyle magazine like Women&#039;s Weekly) here in Australia. They did a special once-in-a-blue-moon &quot;love your body&quot; issue or whatever which featured models of AVERAGE weight. I&#039;m not sure they were &quot;plus-size&quot; models and you certainly would not have called any of them obese; they probably would have fallen in the upper end of the &quot;normal&quot; BMI range. The editor, addressing the question of why they don&#039;t feature women of all body types in their regular issues instead of making it a once-off special feature, said that the magazine didn&#039;t want to represent body types that are unhealthy, thus encouraging unhealthy lifestyles blah blah blah. That comment troubled me when I first read it - because these women DIDN&#039;T look unhealthy - and it sickens me even more now that I&#039;ve started learning more about fat acceptance. 

I have to thank you for this blog. It&#039;s a fascinating read and it has really made me start seeing things differently.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathy G.: &#8220;On the other hand, though, I’m not sure that banning models under a particular BMI is the answer. It seems heavy-handed and paternalistic. More than that, I worry that it opens the door to banning plus-size models. After all, if “health” is the reason that anorexic models are being banned, what’s to stop them from using bogus arguments about the so-called obesity epidemic and the alleged unhealthiness of fat to ban larger models as well?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve already seen this justification used by an editor of a women&#8217;s magazine (not a high-fashion one; I think it was more of a middle-aged women&#8217;s lifestyle magazine like Women&#8217;s Weekly) here in Australia. They did a special once-in-a-blue-moon &#8220;love your body&#8221; issue or whatever which featured models of AVERAGE weight. I&#8217;m not sure they were &#8220;plus-size&#8221; models and you certainly would not have called any of them obese; they probably would have fallen in the upper end of the &#8220;normal&#8221; BMI range. The editor, addressing the question of why they don&#8217;t feature women of all body types in their regular issues instead of making it a once-off special feature, said that the magazine didn&#8217;t want to represent body types that are unhealthy, thus encouraging unhealthy lifestyles blah blah blah. That comment troubled me when I first read it &#8211; because these women DIDN&#8217;T look unhealthy &#8211; and it sickens me even more now that I&#8217;ve started learning more about fat acceptance. </p>
<p>I have to thank you for this blog. It&#8217;s a fascinating read and it has really made me start seeing things differently.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/25/cheers-and-jeers-anorexia-n-models-edition/#comment-13035</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jackie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That picture is shocking, and very sad. I hope people take a good hard look at it, and realize that health mandates that consider looking like a Concentration Camp victim to be healthy, are wrong wrong and wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That picture is shocking, and very sad. I hope people take a good hard look at it, and realize that health mandates that consider looking like a Concentration Camp victim to be healthy, are wrong wrong and wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: I found these non-Anglican fudge interesting things around the Blogsphere &#171; Eileen the Episcopalifem</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I found these non-Anglican fudge interesting things around the Blogsphere &#171; Eileen the Episcopalifem]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Madge</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/25/cheers-and-jeers-anorexia-n-models-edition/#comment-12903</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Madge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I saw this ad discussed on a celeb gossip website, and a lof of the comments pertained to how &quot;lucky&quot; this woman was to have NO FAT on her body. I kid you not. I think this ad is &#039;thinspiration&#039; to aspiring anos, as some of you have already pointed out.

As for Tiziana Maiolo&#039;s comment, which men are these that we  have to please? Would these be the straight men that we are trying so hard to win the approval of (so that they will take care of us?) or the gay men who run the fashion mafia? Oh right right right... we must please them all.
fuck you, tiz.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw this ad discussed on a celeb gossip website, and a lof of the comments pertained to how &#8220;lucky&#8221; this woman was to have NO FAT on her body. I kid you not. I think this ad is &#8216;thinspiration&#8217; to aspiring anos, as some of you have already pointed out.</p>
<p>As for Tiziana Maiolo&#8217;s comment, which men are these that we  have to please? Would these be the straight men that we are trying so hard to win the approval of (so that they will take care of us?) or the gay men who run the fashion mafia? Oh right right right&#8230; we must please them all.<br />
fuck you, tiz.</p>
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		<title>By: Harriet</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/25/cheers-and-jeers-anorexia-n-models-edition/#comment-12867</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harriet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 03:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Meowser,

Doing the noun--never heard that one before. I grew up in the era just before Afterschool Specials, though. It makes perfect sense to me. 

Rose,
While I agree with you that Isabelle Caro is courageous, I doubt very much she&#039;s on her way to recovery. Not if she weighs 68 poundsl. Phase 1 of recovery from anorexia is to be at your own healthy weight. Not only doesn&#039;t your body work too well when you&#039;re starving, but your brain doesn&#039;t either. Especially your brain. And I remember hearing that a lot of the young women who were in the movie Thin, filmed at a Renfrew Center in Florida, all of whom ahd given consent, regretted it the following year, as their health improved. My own d doesn&#039;t remember a lot of what happened the year she was so sick, and I&#039;m damn glad. She could have given her consent to posing naked then and it would have been exploitation. Exploitation in a good cause, maybe. But still exploitation.

Why does our culture require something with this kind of shock value to make people see and understand?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meowser,</p>
<p>Doing the noun&#8211;never heard that one before. I grew up in the era just before Afterschool Specials, though. It makes perfect sense to me. </p>
<p>Rose,<br />
While I agree with you that Isabelle Caro is courageous, I doubt very much she&#8217;s on her way to recovery. Not if she weighs 68 poundsl. Phase 1 of recovery from anorexia is to be at your own healthy weight. Not only doesn&#8217;t your body work too well when you&#8217;re starving, but your brain doesn&#8217;t either. Especially your brain. And I remember hearing that a lot of the young women who were in the movie Thin, filmed at a Renfrew Center in Florida, all of whom ahd given consent, regretted it the following year, as their health improved. My own d doesn&#8217;t remember a lot of what happened the year she was so sick, and I&#8217;m damn glad. She could have given her consent to posing naked then and it would have been exploitation. Exploitation in a good cause, maybe. But still exploitation.</p>
<p>Why does our culture require something with this kind of shock value to make people see and understand?</p>
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		<title>By: Bitty</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/25/cheers-and-jeers-anorexia-n-models-edition/#comment-12854</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bitty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 02:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I went back to the site and found another story along the sidebar, this by a &quot;slimming expert&quot; who is just horrified by us fatties.  It&#039;s accompanied by a photo of a woman in a bathing suit who -- in my opinion -- looks lovely.  Very curvaceous.  Anyway, the article illustrates the backlash of a &quot;slimming expert&quot; against the horror of size acceptance.  She wants to know what&#039;s the matter with us that we &quot;let&quot; ourselves get fat again after &quot;slimming.&quot;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=484164&amp;in_page_id=1879

It&#039;ll rile you up, but it sure isn&#039;t news.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went back to the site and found another story along the sidebar, this by a &#8220;slimming expert&#8221; who is just horrified by us fatties.  It&#8217;s accompanied by a photo of a woman in a bathing suit who &#8212; in my opinion &#8212; looks lovely.  Very curvaceous.  Anyway, the article illustrates the backlash of a &#8220;slimming expert&#8221; against the horror of size acceptance.  She wants to know what&#8217;s the matter with us that we &#8220;let&#8221; ourselves get fat again after &#8220;slimming.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=484164&#038;in_page_id=1879" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=484164&#038;in_page_id=1879</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;ll rile you up, but it sure isn&#8217;t news.</p>
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		<title>By: Sniper</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/25/cheers-and-jeers-anorexia-n-models-edition/#comment-12843</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sniper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I first saw the picture I wanted to pick that poor woman up and wrap her in blankets; and, dammit, I probably could. Easily.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first saw the picture I wanted to pick that poor woman up and wrap her in blankets; and, dammit, I probably could. Easily.</p>
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