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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/21/ma-moto-chhu/#comment-22140</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a slightly sidetracked linkage, but I think y&#039;all might appreciate reading Suzette Haden Elgin&#039;s blog on Livejournal.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://ozarque.livejournal.com/466281.html?&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This Entry&lt;/a&gt; talks about hostile language and how it is propagated, and a bit about how to protect yourself against it.  She&#039;s the author of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Gentle-Art-Verbal-Self-Defense/dp/0880290307&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gentle Art of Verbal Self Defense&lt;/a&gt; book series, and she really has some useful hints and tips.  she has tips not only about how to recognize hostile language but how to try to communicate with people who use hostile language and how to try to defuse a hostile-language situation. Here&#039;s her &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sfwa.org/members/elgin/Index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;webpage&lt;/a&gt;, and here&#039;s her HowStuffWorks &lt;a href=&quot;http://people.howstuffworks.com/vsd2.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;page&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;ve found her thinking and practical exercises no end of helpful in preventing myself from sounding and feeling defensive in situations that could be deadly to my social or work life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a slightly sidetracked linkage, but I think y&#8217;all might appreciate reading Suzette Haden Elgin&#8217;s blog on Livejournal.  <a href="http://ozarque.livejournal.com/466281.html?" rel="nofollow">This Entry</a> talks about hostile language and how it is propagated, and a bit about how to protect yourself against it.  She&#8217;s the author of the <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Gentle-Art-Verbal-Self-Defense/dp/0880290307" rel="nofollow">Gentle Art of Verbal Self Defense</a> book series, and she really has some useful hints and tips.  she has tips not only about how to recognize hostile language but how to try to communicate with people who use hostile language and how to try to defuse a hostile-language situation. Here&#8217;s her <a href="http://www.sfwa.org/members/elgin/Index.html" rel="nofollow">webpage</a>, and here&#8217;s her HowStuffWorks <a href="http://people.howstuffworks.com/vsd2.htm" rel="nofollow">page</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found her thinking and practical exercises no end of helpful in preventing myself from sounding and feeling defensive in situations that could be deadly to my social or work life.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon B.</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/21/ma-moto-chhu/#comment-12498</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a very great post Kate. I loved the insight on everything.

I personally think it&#039;s going to take some time for major changes to occur.There&#039;s too much bias, and the anti-fat message is pushed in our faces a lot (Let&#039;s no forget blaming everything from global warming to increasing health costs on T3H FAT). I really think that more people are becoming neutral on the whole thing, but there&#039;s still many people of all sizes that don&#039;t believe in accepting others that are different or even the same as they are. We can always be ambitious though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a very great post Kate. I loved the insight on everything.</p>
<p>I personally think it&#8217;s going to take some time for major changes to occur.There&#8217;s too much bias, and the anti-fat message is pushed in our faces a lot (Let&#8217;s no forget blaming everything from global warming to increasing health costs on T3H FAT). I really think that more people are becoming neutral on the whole thing, but there&#8217;s still many people of all sizes that don&#8217;t believe in accepting others that are different or even the same as they are. We can always be ambitious though.</p>
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		<title>By: Ericka</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/21/ma-moto-chhu/#comment-12439</link>
		<dc:creator>Ericka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, it&#039;s very interesting to me that most people when they are arguing in favor of anti-fat attitudes or policies seem to fall back on what &quot;everybody knows&quot; instead of even pointing to the many flawed studies that back up the anti-fat agenda.

-E</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s very interesting to me that most people when they are arguing in favor of anti-fat attitudes or policies seem to fall back on what &#8220;everybody knows&#8221; instead of even pointing to the many flawed studies that back up the anti-fat agenda.</p>
<p>-E</p>
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		<title>By: kateharding</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/21/ma-moto-chhu/#comment-12433</link>
		<dc:creator>kateharding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ericka, that sucks. Though it&#039;s interesting that he went from laughing at you to fighting with you, too.

The fact that so many people say, &quot;I don&#039;t need to back up my argument! EVERYONE KNOWS fat is unhealthy!&quot; is one of the most maddening things about this fighting stage. But all we can do is keep fighting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ericka, that sucks. Though it&#8217;s interesting that he went from laughing at you to fighting with you, too.</p>
<p>The fact that so many people say, &#8220;I don&#8217;t need to back up my argument! EVERYONE KNOWS fat is unhealthy!&#8221; is one of the most maddening things about this fighting stage. But all we can do is keep fighting.</p>
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		<title>By: Ericka</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/21/ma-moto-chhu/#comment-12429</link>
		<dc:creator>Ericka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually had a rip-roaring (though digital) argument with my little brother about fat issues where he did all of the negative things to me that you feared for yourself. He didn&#039;t take me seriously at first. Then, when he realized I was serious he got REALLY, REALLY upset with me and started lambasting me saying a) my facts were wrong and that b) I was making excuses so I didn&#039;t have to try to lose weight. 

Then when I asked him to share his sources to back up his side of the argument, he refused, saying that if I did the research for myself, I would be more motivated. Sure because everyone is motivated to research things that prove them a) to be wrong and b) to be bad or insufficiently strong people.

I haven&#039;t really talked to anyone about that fight. It was maybe a month and a half ago and it still pisses me off every time I think about it.

-E</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually had a rip-roaring (though digital) argument with my little brother about fat issues where he did all of the negative things to me that you feared for yourself. He didn&#8217;t take me seriously at first. Then, when he realized I was serious he got REALLY, REALLY upset with me and started lambasting me saying a) my facts were wrong and that b) I was making excuses so I didn&#8217;t have to try to lose weight. </p>
<p>Then when I asked him to share his sources to back up his side of the argument, he refused, saying that if I did the research for myself, I would be more motivated. Sure because everyone is motivated to research things that prove them a) to be wrong and b) to be bad or insufficiently strong people.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t really talked to anyone about that fight. It was maybe a month and a half ago and it still pisses me off every time I think about it.</p>
<p>-E</p>
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		<title>By: kateharding</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/21/ma-moto-chhu/#comment-12159</link>
		<dc:creator>kateharding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Babble away, Hexy! 

And you know, I think it&#039;s important for those of us who can &quot;pass,&quot; to say, &quot;Yes, I AM fat,&quot; because that&#039;s part of changing people&#039;s image of fat -- and of dismantling the system of privilege that gives you and me more respect than an extremely fat person; less than a thin one. 

For starters, a lot of people want &quot;fat&quot; to represent a category of people who are Very Different from Them --  people it&#039;s much easier to dehumanize. So saying, &quot;Hey, I&#039;m not that different from you, but the government  classifies me as obese, and doctors claim I&#039;m at risk for a zillion diseases, and the fashion industry thinks I&#039;m too fat to wear clothes,&quot; helps shift the paradigm; &quot;fat&quot; is something much closer to home than a lot of people would like to believe. A thin person is one step away from people like us, who are one step away from mid-size fat people, who are one step away from supersize (even though I despise that word) fat people... And three steps between thin and supersize really isn&#039;t very far at all, is it?

Secondly, when someone says, &quot;You&#039;re not fat,&quot; what they&#039;re doing is offering me an opportunity to classify myself as &quot;normal&quot; -- so neither one of us has to think anymore about The Other; the &lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt; fat people. Fuck that. I AM a real fat person, and I &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt; to think about this shit. I don&#039;t want to say, &quot;Well, I can fit into airplane seats and don&#039;t have &lt;i&gt;too&lt;/i&gt; much trouble buying clothes, so I&#039;m not like THEM, and it&#039;s not my problem.&quot; I am like them, and it&#039;s everybody&#039;s problem that even avowed progressives have no problem discriminating against a group of people because they don&#039;t fucking like the way we look.

I&#039;m not going to help anyone make a comforting mental division between someone like me and a much fatter person, because that fatter person and I are a lot more alike than we&#039;re different -- less because we&#039;re both fat than because we&#039;re both HUMAN. Which is the point of all this. 

And I&#039;m sure not going to say, &quot;Why, yes, I&#039;m lucky enough to dodge most of the discrimination directed against fat people, so I should just shut my mouth and be thankful.&quot; 

So, Hexy, I hereby give you permission to call yourself fat and spread the word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Babble away, Hexy! </p>
<p>And you know, I think it&#8217;s important for those of us who can &#8220;pass,&#8221; to say, &#8220;Yes, I AM fat,&#8221; because that&#8217;s part of changing people&#8217;s image of fat &#8212; and of dismantling the system of privilege that gives you and me more respect than an extremely fat person; less than a thin one. </p>
<p>For starters, a lot of people want &#8220;fat&#8221; to represent a category of people who are Very Different from Them &#8212;  people it&#8217;s much easier to dehumanize. So saying, &#8220;Hey, I&#8217;m not that different from you, but the government  classifies me as obese, and doctors claim I&#8217;m at risk for a zillion diseases, and the fashion industry thinks I&#8217;m too fat to wear clothes,&#8221; helps shift the paradigm; &#8220;fat&#8221; is something much closer to home than a lot of people would like to believe. A thin person is one step away from people like us, who are one step away from mid-size fat people, who are one step away from supersize (even though I despise that word) fat people&#8230; And three steps between thin and supersize really isn&#8217;t very far at all, is it?</p>
<p>Secondly, when someone says, &#8220;You&#8217;re not fat,&#8221; what they&#8217;re doing is offering me an opportunity to classify myself as &#8220;normal&#8221; &#8212; so neither one of us has to think anymore about The Other; the <i>real</i> fat people. Fuck that. I AM a real fat person, and I <i>want</i> to think about this shit. I don&#8217;t want to say, &#8220;Well, I can fit into airplane seats and don&#8217;t have <i>too</i> much trouble buying clothes, so I&#8217;m not like THEM, and it&#8217;s not my problem.&#8221; I am like them, and it&#8217;s everybody&#8217;s problem that even avowed progressives have no problem discriminating against a group of people because they don&#8217;t fucking like the way we look.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to help anyone make a comforting mental division between someone like me and a much fatter person, because that fatter person and I are a lot more alike than we&#8217;re different &#8212; less because we&#8217;re both fat than because we&#8217;re both HUMAN. Which is the point of all this. </p>
<p>And I&#8217;m sure not going to say, &#8220;Why, yes, I&#8217;m lucky enough to dodge most of the discrimination directed against fat people, so I should just shut my mouth and be thankful.&#8221; </p>
<p>So, Hexy, I hereby give you permission to call yourself fat and spread the word.</p>
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		<title>By: hexy</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/21/ma-moto-chhu/#comment-12155</link>
		<dc:creator>hexy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole &quot;pfft, you&#039;re not fat&quot; thing is what pushes me away from being vocal about fat acceptance. I am plus size. I am an Aussie size 16. I&#039;m also curvy, in that &quot;goes in in the middle&quot; way that makes me &lt;I&gt;acceptably&lt;/I&gt; overweight in so many people&#039;s eyes, and people are always saying &quot;No you aren&#039;t!&quot; when I reveal my dress size.

I mean, I&#039;m all about fuck dieting, I&#039;m healthy and I love my body... but the reaction makes me hesitate about trying to reclaim that word.

*shrug* Now I&#039;m just babbling on someone else&#039;s blog...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole &#8220;pfft, you&#8217;re not fat&#8221; thing is what pushes me away from being vocal about fat acceptance. I am plus size. I am an Aussie size 16. I&#8217;m also curvy, in that &#8220;goes in in the middle&#8221; way that makes me <i>acceptably</i> overweight in so many people&#8217;s eyes, and people are always saying &#8220;No you aren&#8217;t!&#8221; when I reveal my dress size.</p>
<p>I mean, I&#8217;m all about fuck dieting, I&#8217;m healthy and I love my body&#8230; but the reaction makes me hesitate about trying to reclaim that word.</p>
<p>*shrug* Now I&#8217;m just babbling on someone else&#8217;s blog&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rachel</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/21/ma-moto-chhu/#comment-12138</link>
		<dc:creator>rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 05:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have all probably seen this already, but in case you haven&#039;t...

WHY HARVARD WANTS YOU TO BE UNHEALTHILY THIN.
Thinner
 by Paul Campos   
 Only at TNR Online &#124; Post date 09.11.07

A big problem with elite institutions is that, for years on end, people in such places can abuse their positions by saying things that aren&#039;t true, before anyone whose opinion counts notices. 
 A particularly clear example of this is provided by the Harvard School of Public Health, which for many years has been pushing a phony claim with great success. The story is simple: That it&#039;s well-established scientific fact that being &quot;overweight&quot;--that is, having a body mass index figure of between 25 and 30--is, in the words of Harvard professors Walter Willett and Meir Stampfer, &quot;a major contributor to morbidity and mortality.&quot; This claim has been put forward over and over again by various members of the School of Public Health&#039;s faculty, with little or no qualification. According to this line of argument, there&#039;s simply no real scientific dispute about the &quot;fact&quot; that average-height women who weigh between 146 and a 174 pounds, and average-height men who weigh between 175 and 209 pounds, are putting their lives and health at risk. Furthermore, according to Willett, such people should try to reduce their weights toward the low end of the government-approved &quot;normal&quot; BMI range of 18.5 to 24.9 (the low end of the range is 108 and 129 pounds for women and men respectively).
 It&#039;s difficult to exaggerate the extent to which the actual scientific evidence fails to support any of this...

More &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=w070910&amp;s=campos091107&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have all probably seen this already, but in case you haven&#8217;t&#8230;</p>
<p>WHY HARVARD WANTS YOU TO BE UNHEALTHILY THIN.<br />
Thinner<br />
 by Paul Campos<br />
 Only at TNR Online | Post date 09.11.07</p>
<p>A big problem with elite institutions is that, for years on end, people in such places can abuse their positions by saying things that aren&#8217;t true, before anyone whose opinion counts notices.<br />
 A particularly clear example of this is provided by the Harvard School of Public Health, which for many years has been pushing a phony claim with great success. The story is simple: That it&#8217;s well-established scientific fact that being &#8220;overweight&#8221;&#8211;that is, having a body mass index figure of between 25 and 30&#8211;is, in the words of Harvard professors Walter Willett and Meir Stampfer, &#8220;a major contributor to morbidity and mortality.&#8221; This claim has been put forward over and over again by various members of the School of Public Health&#8217;s faculty, with little or no qualification. According to this line of argument, there&#8217;s simply no real scientific dispute about the &#8220;fact&#8221; that average-height women who weigh between 146 and a 174 pounds, and average-height men who weigh between 175 and 209 pounds, are putting their lives and health at risk. Furthermore, according to Willett, such people should try to reduce their weights toward the low end of the government-approved &#8220;normal&#8221; BMI range of 18.5 to 24.9 (the low end of the range is 108 and 129 pounds for women and men respectively).<br />
 It&#8217;s difficult to exaggerate the extent to which the actual scientific evidence fails to support any of this&#8230;</p>
<p>More <a href="http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=w070910&amp;s=campos091107" rel="nofollow">here</a></p>
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		<title>By: Miss Laura Mars</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/21/ma-moto-chhu/#comment-12127</link>
		<dc:creator>Miss Laura Mars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 02:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.</description>
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		<title>By: kateharding</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/21/ma-moto-chhu/#comment-12124</link>
		<dc:creator>kateharding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Miss Laura Mars, I expect the fighting phase to be long and sucky. We might never see what winning looks like in our lifetimes.

But I do feel like people are fighting a lot more than laughing these days, and that&#039;s progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Miss Laura Mars, I expect the fighting phase to be long and sucky. We might never see what winning looks like in our lifetimes.</p>
<p>But I do feel like people are fighting a lot more than laughing these days, and that&#8217;s progress.</p>
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