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		<title>By: Big Fat Carnival - Sixth Edition at Seeworthy.org</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/14/listen-all-yall-its-a-sabotage/#comment-13256</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Big Fat Carnival - Sixth Edition at Seeworthy.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Listen, All Y&#8217;All, It&#8217;s a Sabotage at Shapely Prose The former choice is unbearable, so she takes the latter. And pouts. And it is all my fault. I have deprived her of dessert because I had the gall to fill up on food I actually craved. The fat chick doesn’t even want dessert! [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Listen, All Y&#8217;All, It&#8217;s a Sabotage at Shapely Prose The former choice is unbearable, so she takes the latter. And pouts. And it is all my fault. I have deprived her of dessert because I had the gall to fill up on food I actually craved. The fat chick doesn’t even want dessert! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Timewalker</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/14/listen-all-yall-its-a-sabotage/#comment-11595</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timewalker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We have a DVR with our Dish system, so we rarely watch commercials. It becomes so frustrating visiting the in-laws who do not have one on their system when we have to sit through all of those diet ads - NutriSystem, Relacore, etc. It doesn&#039;t help that the in-laws have bought into the marketing and hype of the weight loss industry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a DVR with our Dish system, so we rarely watch commercials. It becomes so frustrating visiting the in-laws who do not have one on their system when we have to sit through all of those diet ads &#8211; NutriSystem, Relacore, etc. It doesn&#8217;t help that the in-laws have bought into the marketing and hype of the weight loss industry.</p>
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		<title>By: nerdycellist</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/14/listen-all-yall-its-a-sabotage/#comment-11571</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nerdycellist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m currently being driven insane by the damn ads that show up when I use the yahoo interface to view my mail. Of course, there&#039;s the LB ads, which I generally ignore... but now there&#039;s a seriously offensive animated one with a female cartoon inflating and deflating. It&#039;s advertising some diet bullshit or another, despite the fact that the fat cartoon is clearly cuter. 

Frankly, it&#039;s bad enough I have to look at ads to get to my email, but when they&#039;re all diet related I kind of want to blow shit up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m currently being driven insane by the damn ads that show up when I use the yahoo interface to view my mail. Of course, there&#8217;s the LB ads, which I generally ignore&#8230; but now there&#8217;s a seriously offensive animated one with a female cartoon inflating and deflating. It&#8217;s advertising some diet bullshit or another, despite the fact that the fat cartoon is clearly cuter. </p>
<p>Frankly, it&#8217;s bad enough I have to look at ads to get to my email, but when they&#8217;re all diet related I kind of want to blow shit up.</p>
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		<title>By: Buffy</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/14/listen-all-yall-its-a-sabotage/#comment-11569</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buffy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, I have a perfect example of strange advertising...on a self proclaimed TV channel for women otherwise known as Oxygen. 

So, one ad is a Nutrasystem (spelling/actual name??) meal plan ad. I love these anyway, because the lady is talking about how her husband loves her size 2 ass and below in light letters it says &quot;Results not typical&quot;. I just love that. Anyhow, the NEXT freaking ad is basically making fun on skinny women, particularly super models, and asking you to FORCE them to eat. I&#039;m sitting there, watching a channel for WOMEN, that played back to back ads saying &quot;You&#039;re too FAT&quot; no &quot;You&#039;re too skinny&quot; and I realized your fucked either way. Sad. 

So anyhow, screw you Oxygen Network!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I have a perfect example of strange advertising&#8230;on a self proclaimed TV channel for women otherwise known as Oxygen. </p>
<p>So, one ad is a Nutrasystem (spelling/actual name??) meal plan ad. I love these anyway, because the lady is talking about how her husband loves her size 2 ass and below in light letters it says &#8220;Results not typical&#8221;. I just love that. Anyhow, the NEXT freaking ad is basically making fun on skinny women, particularly super models, and asking you to FORCE them to eat. I&#8217;m sitting there, watching a channel for WOMEN, that played back to back ads saying &#8220;You&#8217;re too FAT&#8221; no &#8220;You&#8217;re too skinny&#8221; and I realized your fucked either way. Sad. </p>
<p>So anyhow, screw you Oxygen Network!!</p>
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		<title>By: fillyjonk</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/14/listen-all-yall-its-a-sabotage/#comment-11563</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fillyjonk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And you&#039;re absolutely right that promoting awareness of actual diseases is pretty much always positive.  It&#039;s just when people do that by way of &quot;promoting awareness&quot; about the &quot;disease&quot; of obesity that it becomes a problem -- and they do that so often!  I&#039;m pretty sure that&#039;s all apricotmuffins was objecting to -- not the promotion of diabetes testing, but the fact that the only risk factor that was visually represented was fat.  Sure, it&#039;s an easy one to visually represent, but that&#039;s lazy!

(And anyway I&#039;m not even sure that fat alone is really a risk factor.  Does liposuction cure diabetes instantly?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you&#8217;re absolutely right that promoting awareness of actual diseases is pretty much always positive.  It&#8217;s just when people do that by way of &#8220;promoting awareness&#8221; about the &#8220;disease&#8221; of obesity that it becomes a problem &#8212; and they do that so often!  I&#8217;m pretty sure that&#8217;s all apricotmuffins was objecting to &#8212; not the promotion of diabetes testing, but the fact that the only risk factor that was visually represented was fat.  Sure, it&#8217;s an easy one to visually represent, but that&#8217;s lazy!</p>
<p>(And anyway I&#8217;m not even sure that fat alone is really a risk factor.  Does liposuction cure diabetes instantly?)</p>
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		<title>By: Eleanor Blair</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/14/listen-all-yall-its-a-sabotage/#comment-11559</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eleanor Blair]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Avocados are pure *yum*.

Fillyjonk: thanks for taking the time to elaborate, you&#039;re right, I did just mean awareness of the fact that diabetes can be causing irreversible damage before you notice any symptoms, rather than awareness of teh fat.  I was pretty upset at being considered part of the problem, but I&#039;ll try and be clearer and less insensitive in future.

I am at least lucky in having doctors who will calmly understand when I say I don&#039;t want to be referred to their weight-loss clinic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avocados are pure *yum*.</p>
<p>Fillyjonk: thanks for taking the time to elaborate, you&#8217;re right, I did just mean awareness of the fact that diabetes can be causing irreversible damage before you notice any symptoms, rather than awareness of teh fat.  I was pretty upset at being considered part of the problem, but I&#8217;ll try and be clearer and less insensitive in future.</p>
<p>I am at least lucky in having doctors who will calmly understand when I say I don&#8217;t want to be referred to their weight-loss clinic.</p>
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		<title>By: kateharding</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/14/listen-all-yall-its-a-sabotage/#comment-11558</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kateharding]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Also there is the whole “ohhhhh…. you can’t eat that” because I eat an entirely plant-based diet. No, I don’t WANT to eat it. &lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, Lillet, I remember that from my vegetarian days. It&#039;s also a cousin to, &quot;Oh, you&#039;re trying to lose weight?&quot; when I say I don&#039;t want dessert. No, I just... don&#039;t... want.... dessert.

&lt;i&gt;Total other thing: If one more person in ,my office says, “BUT AVOCADOS ARE PURE FAT” I will kill them.&lt;/i&gt;

I will help! I&#039;m not an avocado fan myself, but that is fucking absurd. WE NEED TO EAT FAT. I hope to hell vegans are all enjoying their avocados. I&#039;m also incensed by the smear campaign against coconuts, btw. OMG SATURATED FAT! Yes, but not animal fat, and coconuts are actually really good for you... grrrrrr.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Also there is the whole “ohhhhh…. you can’t eat that” because I eat an entirely plant-based diet. No, I don’t WANT to eat it. </i></p>
<p>Yeah, Lillet, I remember that from my vegetarian days. It&#8217;s also a cousin to, &#8220;Oh, you&#8217;re trying to lose weight?&#8221; when I say I don&#8217;t want dessert. No, I just&#8230; don&#8217;t&#8230; want&#8230;. dessert.</p>
<p><i>Total other thing: If one more person in ,my office says, “BUT AVOCADOS ARE PURE FAT” I will kill them.</i></p>
<p>I will help! I&#8217;m not an avocado fan myself, but that is fucking absurd. WE NEED TO EAT FAT. I hope to hell vegans are all enjoying their avocados. I&#8217;m also incensed by the smear campaign against coconuts, btw. OMG SATURATED FAT! Yes, but not animal fat, and coconuts are actually really good for you&#8230; grrrrrr.</p>
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		<title>By: Lillet Langtry</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/14/listen-all-yall-its-a-sabotage/#comment-11555</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lillet Langtry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kate, thanks for writing that.  I fucking HATE being roped into dessert sharing.  I&#039;m not a big dessert person anyway.  I like salt and fat and fried things and sugar makes me feel gross.  Plus, I like to drink, and I&#039;d rather have another glass of wine than eat something sugary of the dessert persuasion.  I agree -- if someone wants dessert, fucking order it!  Leave me alone! 

Also there is the whole &quot;ohhhhh.... you can&#039;t eat that&quot; because I eat an entirely plant-based diet.  No, I don&#039;t WANT to eat it.  I eat all the time and am very happy, and I&#039;m totally happy eating what I want while you eat what you want.   Please lay off.

Oh and w/r/t Spanx -- when I was trying on my wedding dress: a bias cut slip number, all 3 salesladies were like &quot;YOU ARE GOING TO NEED SPANX!&quot;  and I went without.  I was just fine.  The one time I did wear Spanx under a nude colored beaded Vivienne Tam number to the Carlysle, I felt like I had been given some kind of roofie.  

Total other thing:  If one more person in ,my office says, &quot;BUT AVOCADOS ARE PURE FAT&quot; I will kill them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate, thanks for writing that.  I fucking HATE being roped into dessert sharing.  I&#8217;m not a big dessert person anyway.  I like salt and fat and fried things and sugar makes me feel gross.  Plus, I like to drink, and I&#8217;d rather have another glass of wine than eat something sugary of the dessert persuasion.  I agree &#8212; if someone wants dessert, fucking order it!  Leave me alone! </p>
<p>Also there is the whole &#8220;ohhhhh&#8230;. you can&#8217;t eat that&#8221; because I eat an entirely plant-based diet.  No, I don&#8217;t WANT to eat it.  I eat all the time and am very happy, and I&#8217;m totally happy eating what I want while you eat what you want.   Please lay off.</p>
<p>Oh and w/r/t Spanx &#8212; when I was trying on my wedding dress: a bias cut slip number, all 3 salesladies were like &#8220;YOU ARE GOING TO NEED SPANX!&#8221;  and I went without.  I was just fine.  The one time I did wear Spanx under a nude colored beaded Vivienne Tam number to the Carlysle, I felt like I had been given some kind of roofie.  </p>
<p>Total other thing:  If one more person in ,my office says, &#8220;BUT AVOCADOS ARE PURE FAT&#8221; I will kill them.</p>
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		<title>By: fillyjonk</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/14/listen-all-yall-its-a-sabotage/#comment-11531</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fillyjonk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eleanor, I think you can understand that we&#039;re all just really sick of the &quot;oh we&#039;re just trying to RAISE AWARENESS&quot; bullshit.  I&#039;m glad you were fine, but honestly, did you really need your awareness raised that your fat was an OMGHEALTHRISK (which it actually wasn&#039;t, since you weren&#039;t sick)?  Were you ever in danger of forgetting?  

It&#039;s great that there are ads out there telling people to get tested for diseases whose symptoms can be easily ignored -- you&#039;re gonna notice if you get late-onset type 1 diabetes, but type 2 can be insidious.  So okay, that&#039;s fine.  But why make fatness the sole visual focus?  Well, for the same reason we have to test kids&#039; BMI or make shows about putting fatties on forced marches... we&#039;re just &lt;I&gt;raising awareness&lt;/i&gt;, as though anyone was allowed to forget.  I gather you just meant raising awareness about diabetes, not about that particular risk factor, but it&#039;s a tired phrase in this particular context.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eleanor, I think you can understand that we&#8217;re all just really sick of the &#8220;oh we&#8217;re just trying to RAISE AWARENESS&#8221; bullshit.  I&#8217;m glad you were fine, but honestly, did you really need your awareness raised that your fat was an OMGHEALTHRISK (which it actually wasn&#8217;t, since you weren&#8217;t sick)?  Were you ever in danger of forgetting?  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s great that there are ads out there telling people to get tested for diseases whose symptoms can be easily ignored &#8212; you&#8217;re gonna notice if you get late-onset type 1 diabetes, but type 2 can be insidious.  So okay, that&#8217;s fine.  But why make fatness the sole visual focus?  Well, for the same reason we have to test kids&#8217; BMI or make shows about putting fatties on forced marches&#8230; we&#8217;re just <i>raising awareness</i>, as though anyone was allowed to forget.  I gather you just meant raising awareness about diabetes, not about that particular risk factor, but it&#8217;s a tired phrase in this particular context.</p>
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		<title>By: lauredhel</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/14/listen-all-yall-its-a-sabotage/#comment-11525</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lauredhel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I was posting &lt;a href=&quot;http://viv.id.au/blog/?p=935&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this book snippet&lt;/a&gt; from 1905 on the &quot;healthful mode of dress&quot;, I couldn&#039;t stop thinking about this comment thread.

&lt;blockquote&gt;6. “I am so stout, I must wear stays to keep my stomach down.“

Unfortunately, that is precisely what occurs as a result of corset-wearing, though in a different sense from that intended by the woman herself. Corset-wearing does force the stomach down, but, more than this, keeps it down, dilatation of the stomach, chronic gastritis, and other digestive disorders resulting.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

[snip interesting handwaving about how corsets actually make you fatter in the belly]

&lt;blockquote&gt;The fact of the case is that the average woman has no conception of the true meaning of tightness as applied to clothing. She has so accustomed herself to wearing uncomfortable clothing that her nerves have almost ceased to carry the sensations of pain and discomfort. Safe it is to say that the great majority of women endure, perhaps unconsciously, for sixteen hours a day such bodily discomfort as their husbands or brothers would not tolerate for sixteen minutes.

A woman who has for some time worn healthful clothing becomes painfully conscious of any tightness in bodice or skirt-band, thus showing that the nerves, if afforded an opportunity, would regain in time their power to carry sensations of pain or discomfort. And thus it should be, for it is the duty of the nerves to protect the interests of the body by giving prompt notice of any injury done to any of its parts.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I was posting <a href="http://viv.id.au/blog/?p=935" rel="nofollow">this book snippet</a> from 1905 on the &#8220;healthful mode of dress&#8221;, I couldn&#8217;t stop thinking about this comment thread.</p>
<blockquote><p>6. “I am so stout, I must wear stays to keep my stomach down.“</p>
<p>Unfortunately, that is precisely what occurs as a result of corset-wearing, though in a different sense from that intended by the woman herself. Corset-wearing does force the stomach down, but, more than this, keeps it down, dilatation of the stomach, chronic gastritis, and other digestive disorders resulting.</p></blockquote>
<p>[snip interesting handwaving about how corsets actually make you fatter in the belly]</p>
<blockquote><p>The fact of the case is that the average woman has no conception of the true meaning of tightness as applied to clothing. She has so accustomed herself to wearing uncomfortable clothing that her nerves have almost ceased to carry the sensations of pain and discomfort. Safe it is to say that the great majority of women endure, perhaps unconsciously, for sixteen hours a day such bodily discomfort as their husbands or brothers would not tolerate for sixteen minutes.</p>
<p>A woman who has for some time worn healthful clothing becomes painfully conscious of any tightness in bodice or skirt-band, thus showing that the nerves, if afforded an opportunity, would regain in time their power to carry sensations of pain or discomfort. And thus it should be, for it is the duty of the nerves to protect the interests of the body by giving prompt notice of any injury done to any of its parts.</p></blockquote>
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