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		<title>By: Peanuts</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/07/corollary-1-not-dieting-is-hard/#comment-10703</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[fillyjonk (@23) wrote:
&lt;i&gt;Peanuts, that’s interesting. It was true of me too for a while there, before I was diagnosed with PCOS; is that something you might want to look into? Dieting and EDs also mess with your metabolism hardcore, so there’s a chance your body just hasn’t yet reached the weight it wants to settle at — though I can understand (from experience) why that would be a daunting prospect.&lt;/i&gt;

I have considered PCOS, but no, I don&#039;t think I have it. I agree with you that ED and dieting can mess up a metabolism, but after 15 years, I think I&#039;ve given my body weight enough of a chance to settle.  What actually happened after I stopped dieting and went through ED recovery was that my body gradually lost a little weight as a side-effect.  Then one summer it decided to turn round and gain weight gradually, even though I wasn&#039;t doing anything different in my recovery from the ED. Up and up and up went the weight. Only a ridiculously huge amount of exercise keeps the weight stable. Something is causing significant food cravings and I don&#039;t know what that is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fillyjonk (@23) wrote:<br />
<i>Peanuts, that’s interesting. It was true of me too for a while there, before I was diagnosed with PCOS; is that something you might want to look into? Dieting and EDs also mess with your metabolism hardcore, so there’s a chance your body just hasn’t yet reached the weight it wants to settle at — though I can understand (from experience) why that would be a daunting prospect.</i></p>
<p>I have considered PCOS, but no, I don&#8217;t think I have it. I agree with you that ED and dieting can mess up a metabolism, but after 15 years, I think I&#8217;ve given my body weight enough of a chance to settle.  What actually happened after I stopped dieting and went through ED recovery was that my body gradually lost a little weight as a side-effect.  Then one summer it decided to turn round and gain weight gradually, even though I wasn&#8217;t doing anything different in my recovery from the ED. Up and up and up went the weight. Only a ridiculously huge amount of exercise keeps the weight stable. Something is causing significant food cravings and I don&#8217;t know what that is.</p>
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		<title>By: Meg Thornton</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/07/corollary-1-not-dieting-is-hard/#comment-10685</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Meg Thornton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d put it this way: I gave up weight-loss dieting and other forms of structured &quot;eating plans&quot; over thirteen years ago.  I realised *why* I gave up dieting about six years back, when my doctor started me on anti-depressants, because for the first time in my life, I *could* say &quot;no&quot; to the notion of food.  I literally wasn&#039;t hungry, and I didn&#039;t feel the need to eat constantly.  It was the most freeing experience of my life.

In another way, it was the most frightening, because I suddenly saw, in those first few weeks where I only ate when I was hungry, just how disordered my eating had been while I was in the middle of weight-loss dieting, and just how much damage I&#039;d been doing to myself by partaking in it.  I also realised just how many of the symptoms of the depression which had been the centre of my existence for the previous sixteen years had been masked by the weight-loss dieting: the constant negative thinking (but it *was* my fault I was fat, wasn&#039;t it?); the use of food as comfort (it was forbidden, I was being a rebel!); the misery and low self-esteem (of course I didn&#039;t think much of myself - who&#039;d think anything of a fat, lazy lump like me?); the lack of interest in living (I was a fat, ugly lump, after all); the suicidal thoughts (the world would have been better off without a fat lump like me) and the thoughts of self-harm (I wish I could just cut this ugly fat off... should I start with my throat?); the lack of social contacts (who&#039;d want to associate with someone like me?).  All of these were blamed by me on my weight, and my weight was the reason why I didn&#039;t seek treatment for the depression - after all, if I couldn&#039;t manage something easy, like losing weight, how the hell could I possibly believe I was worth treating at all?

It took me three years and the encouragement of my partner at the time to go to a doctor and even *admit* I was depressed.  That doctor sent me off for a blood test, and discovered that my thyroid hormone levels were all out of whack, and I had the classic symptoms of hypothyroidism.  To this day, I&#039;ve no idea how long I had it - it may have been that I developed that as part of puberty, or as an after-thought to ten years of yo-yo weight loss.  Getting that treated was a good start.  But it was another three years after that before I finally screwed up my courage, and risked seeing a doctor and admitting that I was depressed.  

So, from age fourteen (when I started experiencing the early stages of depression) through to age thirty (when I finally started getting the depression treated) I lived through sixteen years of absolute hell, and for at least nine of those years, I was thoroughly convinced I deserved every minute of it as a punishment for being so horrible, so ugly, so fat.  Sixteen years of my life effectively wasted - over half of my lifetime.  Ten years of dieting helped me to convince myself that I deserved it, and masking the symptoms.  

The incredible amounts of negative self-talk which are generated by weight-loss dieting are unbelievably harmful.  The endless focus on what hasn&#039;t been done, on what could have been avoided, and on a facet of existence which is ultimately peripheral to whether or not you&#039;re &quot;attractive&quot; (I didn&#039;t wind up with a partner until I was 26, because it took me that long to believe I was just as entitled as any other woman to have one - we&#039;ve been together now for about ten years) is mentally harmful.  It neutralises the energy of a whole group of people (indeed, it effectively neutralises an entire sex/gender identity as political and social forces, because if you&#039;re female, the first thing you&#039;re judged on is your appearance) and it takes away from what we could be.  Worse still, it is *spreading*.  

When I was in high school, none of the boys appeared to be all that worried about their appearance.  Ten years later, working for the public service on an IT helpdesk, I was surrounded by young men who were intensely worried about how they looked, and who were taking one supplement or another to help themselves look &quot;buffed&quot;.  Most of these guys weren&#039;t long out of puberty, and the ones who were worried were generally the long, lanky types, who couldn&#039;t gain weight where they wanted it.  I trust everyone sees the irony involved?

I don&#039;t want my nieces to have to go through what I went through.  I don&#039;t want them living the hell I did.  It&#039;s why I&#039;m a practicer of size-acceptance (*any* size, provided it&#039;s one you&#039;re healthy at), and why I work to show there is an alternative to constant weight-loss dieting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d put it this way: I gave up weight-loss dieting and other forms of structured &#8220;eating plans&#8221; over thirteen years ago.  I realised *why* I gave up dieting about six years back, when my doctor started me on anti-depressants, because for the first time in my life, I *could* say &#8220;no&#8221; to the notion of food.  I literally wasn&#8217;t hungry, and I didn&#8217;t feel the need to eat constantly.  It was the most freeing experience of my life.</p>
<p>In another way, it was the most frightening, because I suddenly saw, in those first few weeks where I only ate when I was hungry, just how disordered my eating had been while I was in the middle of weight-loss dieting, and just how much damage I&#8217;d been doing to myself by partaking in it.  I also realised just how many of the symptoms of the depression which had been the centre of my existence for the previous sixteen years had been masked by the weight-loss dieting: the constant negative thinking (but it *was* my fault I was fat, wasn&#8217;t it?); the use of food as comfort (it was forbidden, I was being a rebel!); the misery and low self-esteem (of course I didn&#8217;t think much of myself &#8211; who&#8217;d think anything of a fat, lazy lump like me?); the lack of interest in living (I was a fat, ugly lump, after all); the suicidal thoughts (the world would have been better off without a fat lump like me) and the thoughts of self-harm (I wish I could just cut this ugly fat off&#8230; should I start with my throat?); the lack of social contacts (who&#8217;d want to associate with someone like me?).  All of these were blamed by me on my weight, and my weight was the reason why I didn&#8217;t seek treatment for the depression &#8211; after all, if I couldn&#8217;t manage something easy, like losing weight, how the hell could I possibly believe I was worth treating at all?</p>
<p>It took me three years and the encouragement of my partner at the time to go to a doctor and even *admit* I was depressed.  That doctor sent me off for a blood test, and discovered that my thyroid hormone levels were all out of whack, and I had the classic symptoms of hypothyroidism.  To this day, I&#8217;ve no idea how long I had it &#8211; it may have been that I developed that as part of puberty, or as an after-thought to ten years of yo-yo weight loss.  Getting that treated was a good start.  But it was another three years after that before I finally screwed up my courage, and risked seeing a doctor and admitting that I was depressed.  </p>
<p>So, from age fourteen (when I started experiencing the early stages of depression) through to age thirty (when I finally started getting the depression treated) I lived through sixteen years of absolute hell, and for at least nine of those years, I was thoroughly convinced I deserved every minute of it as a punishment for being so horrible, so ugly, so fat.  Sixteen years of my life effectively wasted &#8211; over half of my lifetime.  Ten years of dieting helped me to convince myself that I deserved it, and masking the symptoms.  </p>
<p>The incredible amounts of negative self-talk which are generated by weight-loss dieting are unbelievably harmful.  The endless focus on what hasn&#8217;t been done, on what could have been avoided, and on a facet of existence which is ultimately peripheral to whether or not you&#8217;re &#8220;attractive&#8221; (I didn&#8217;t wind up with a partner until I was 26, because it took me that long to believe I was just as entitled as any other woman to have one &#8211; we&#8217;ve been together now for about ten years) is mentally harmful.  It neutralises the energy of a whole group of people (indeed, it effectively neutralises an entire sex/gender identity as political and social forces, because if you&#8217;re female, the first thing you&#8217;re judged on is your appearance) and it takes away from what we could be.  Worse still, it is *spreading*.  </p>
<p>When I was in high school, none of the boys appeared to be all that worried about their appearance.  Ten years later, working for the public service on an IT helpdesk, I was surrounded by young men who were intensely worried about how they looked, and who were taking one supplement or another to help themselves look &#8220;buffed&#8221;.  Most of these guys weren&#8217;t long out of puberty, and the ones who were worried were generally the long, lanky types, who couldn&#8217;t gain weight where they wanted it.  I trust everyone sees the irony involved?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want my nieces to have to go through what I went through.  I don&#8217;t want them living the hell I did.  It&#8217;s why I&#8217;m a practicer of size-acceptance (*any* size, provided it&#8217;s one you&#8217;re healthy at), and why I work to show there is an alternative to constant weight-loss dieting.</p>
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		<title>By: spacedcowgirl</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/07/corollary-1-not-dieting-is-hard/#comment-10512</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[klara, I just wanted to say that based on your comments here, I think what you&#039;re doing with the Swedish fat acceptance community is amazing. As difficult as it is to make your way in US society and accept your body, from what little I know about it, it sounds like it is sometimes that much more difficult in many parts of Europe and the rest of the world. IMO you are doing a great service to women by getting these subversive ideas out there to an even larger potential audience than is already served by them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>klara, I just wanted to say that based on your comments here, I think what you&#8217;re doing with the Swedish fat acceptance community is amazing. As difficult as it is to make your way in US society and accept your body, from what little I know about it, it sounds like it is sometimes that much more difficult in many parts of Europe and the rest of the world. IMO you are doing a great service to women by getting these subversive ideas out there to an even larger potential audience than is already served by them.</p>
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		<title>By: ShannonCC</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/07/corollary-1-not-dieting-is-hard/#comment-10323</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ShannonCC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 18:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very late to this conversation :) I love a lot of what has been said. I don&#039;t want to read diet talk either, mostly because I&#039;m new to accepting myself and as someone said in another comment (another day? was it Kate?) dieting is contagious. I already have numerous people in my life who are dieting (family and friends) I certainly don&#039;t want to come to places where we&#039;re supposed to be happy with ourselves and read it there too. 

Which isn&#039;t to mean I look down on people who diet. I just don&#039;t want to hear it. I&#039;m polite to my weight watching family members and my body hating friends. And then I come to the online world of size acceptance and it&#039;s a breath of fresh air :-D 

For the comment on people giving up exercise - man, I should start my own blog and write a whole post on that because discussing this is a huge part of my life right now, LOL! But I&#039;ll just quickly say I think one of the main reasons that happens is because so many people (ok, every single person I *personally* know) only start exercising (wait for it!) to LOSE WEIGHT. So when the weight loss stalls or reverses, they give up the exercise since it&#039;s obviously &quot;not working&quot; :::headdesk:::. On the other hand, if you do some form of exercise because it&#039;s fun, or because you feel better and NOT to lose weight or because you &quot;have to&quot;, I&#039;d hope you&#039;re more likely to keep with it. Unfortunately, I have no real life examples of this because I&#039;m surrounded by dieters :-( But if I understand correctly, it&#039;s a main tenet of HAES, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very late to this conversation :) I love a lot of what has been said. I don&#8217;t want to read diet talk either, mostly because I&#8217;m new to accepting myself and as someone said in another comment (another day? was it Kate?) dieting is contagious. I already have numerous people in my life who are dieting (family and friends) I certainly don&#8217;t want to come to places where we&#8217;re supposed to be happy with ourselves and read it there too. </p>
<p>Which isn&#8217;t to mean I look down on people who diet. I just don&#8217;t want to hear it. I&#8217;m polite to my weight watching family members and my body hating friends. And then I come to the online world of size acceptance and it&#8217;s a breath of fresh air :-D </p>
<p>For the comment on people giving up exercise &#8211; man, I should start my own blog and write a whole post on that because discussing this is a huge part of my life right now, LOL! But I&#8217;ll just quickly say I think one of the main reasons that happens is because so many people (ok, every single person I *personally* know) only start exercising (wait for it!) to LOSE WEIGHT. So when the weight loss stalls or reverses, they give up the exercise since it&#8217;s obviously &#8220;not working&#8221; :::headdesk:::. On the other hand, if you do some form of exercise because it&#8217;s fun, or because you feel better and NOT to lose weight or because you &#8220;have to&#8221;, I&#8217;d hope you&#8217;re more likely to keep with it. Unfortunately, I have no real life examples of this because I&#8217;m surrounded by dieters :-( But if I understand correctly, it&#8217;s a main tenet of HAES, right?</p>
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		<title>By: hayley</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/07/corollary-1-not-dieting-is-hard/#comment-10270</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 10:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sarah I am so glad to see you here.

love you woman.

h.x]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sarah I am so glad to see you here.</p>
<p>love you woman.</p>
<p>h.x</p>
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		<title>By: fillyjonk</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/07/corollary-1-not-dieting-is-hard/#comment-10188</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fillyjonk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 19:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Grouse cleaning&quot; = hilarious.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Grouse cleaning&#8221; = hilarious.</p>
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		<title>By: katecontinued</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/07/corollary-1-not-dieting-is-hard/#comment-10186</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[katecontinued]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 19:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about considering a space for &#039;grouse cleaning&#039; - or being able to clear out all of the grumbles, complaints and anguish of this really hard work?

 I am loving this energy today. I&#039;d look forward to a place, space and time to clean out my own pile of poo. Too strong? I think not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about considering a space for &#8216;grouse cleaning&#8217; &#8211; or being able to clear out all of the grumbles, complaints and anguish of this really hard work?</p>
<p> I am loving this energy today. I&#8217;d look forward to a place, space and time to clean out my own pile of poo. Too strong? I think not.</p>
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		<title>By: fillyjonk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fillyjonk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 17:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cynthia, yeah, I definitely see where you&#039;re coming from here.  I do want something that says more &quot;support group&quot; and less &quot;we will shrive you of your sins.&quot;

And anonymity is something to consider too, though I think Wordpress allows for it, for those who don&#039;t feel comfortable.  I&#039;m going to consider whether it belongs on this blog or its own blog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cynthia, yeah, I definitely see where you&#8217;re coming from here.  I do want something that says more &#8220;support group&#8221; and less &#8220;we will shrive you of your sins.&#8221;</p>
<p>And anonymity is something to consider too, though I think WordPress allows for it, for those who don&#8217;t feel comfortable.  I&#8217;m going to consider whether it belongs on this blog or its own blog.</p>
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		<title>By: apricotmuffins</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[apricotmuffins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 16:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A forum i frequent has a section which is just for girls (its very well protected too) and the most popular thread in there is the &#039;confessions&#039; one. Its not a case of feeling ashamed about anything theyve done, its a place to share problems in a confidential manner among people who can probably offer help or just listen.  I understand what Cynthia is saying ( im a catholic and i HATE confession...)  but the &#039;confession&#039; side of things on this forum really isnt about guilt. But i think the thing that makes it work is the privacy of it. Then again, if the blog is going to be about fat acceptance struggles and that alone, so much privacy may not be needed. The forum dealt with all kinds of things, some not so serious and some very serious and heart-wrenching problems. 

But yes, i want to say that those kinds of places can be really wonderful to be a part of. We dont do enough female bonding in real life, a place thats safe to talk about things without bitching is increasingly rare this day and age.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A forum i frequent has a section which is just for girls (its very well protected too) and the most popular thread in there is the &#8216;confessions&#8217; one. Its not a case of feeling ashamed about anything theyve done, its a place to share problems in a confidential manner among people who can probably offer help or just listen.  I understand what Cynthia is saying ( im a catholic and i HATE confession&#8230;)  but the &#8216;confession&#8217; side of things on this forum really isnt about guilt. But i think the thing that makes it work is the privacy of it. Then again, if the blog is going to be about fat acceptance struggles and that alone, so much privacy may not be needed. The forum dealt with all kinds of things, some not so serious and some very serious and heart-wrenching problems. </p>
<p>But yes, i want to say that those kinds of places can be really wonderful to be a part of. We dont do enough female bonding in real life, a place thats safe to talk about things without bitching is increasingly rare this day and age.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/09/07/corollary-1-not-dieting-is-hard/#comment-10174</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cynthia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 16:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fillyjonk --  Confessional just has too many overtones of religion, guilt and atonement for my comfort. It&#039;s a personal thing, and I&#039;m not even Catholic.  Are we supposed to feel bad about feeling bad about ourselves sometimes?  Maybe safe place, where venting and coping can be done.  Maybe dumping ground, for all those toxic feelings.  The Rotund and Kate --  as a lifelong fattie, I&#039;ve never assumed that any heavy person, no matter how vocally pro-fat acceptance, didn&#039;t have moments of difficulty with her size. It comes with the territory.  By brushing it aside among the other issues in size acceptance, it can alienate the people who struggle with it.  It takes more than Just love your body, regardless of size.  People need tools and maps, to learn how to do it for themselves.  Is this possible in one blog? No, but there needs to be a place for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fillyjonk &#8212;  Confessional just has too many overtones of religion, guilt and atonement for my comfort. It&#8217;s a personal thing, and I&#8217;m not even Catholic.  Are we supposed to feel bad about feeling bad about ourselves sometimes?  Maybe safe place, where venting and coping can be done.  Maybe dumping ground, for all those toxic feelings.  The Rotund and Kate &#8212;  as a lifelong fattie, I&#8217;ve never assumed that any heavy person, no matter how vocally pro-fat acceptance, didn&#8217;t have moments of difficulty with her size. It comes with the territory.  By brushing it aside among the other issues in size acceptance, it can alienate the people who struggle with it.  It takes more than Just love your body, regardless of size.  People need tools and maps, to learn how to do it for themselves.  Is this possible in one blog? No, but there needs to be a place for it.</p>
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