It’s scientists who figured that out.

Really? Because I thought it was my failure to lose weight after numerous futile efforts!

And who says it is or isn’t my ‘natural’ state to be thin? The issue is not whether thinness is ‘natural’ it is whether it is acheivable and maintainable. That is not the same as saying you I or anyone else can or can’t be thin, theoretically speaking.

Scientists and doctors told me as everybody knows to keep dieting, they say it at the end of any of their papers ‘this is not an excuse for fat people to stop their diets’ so I eventually accepted of my own violition, thanks very much, that I had to stop what was damaging me. I resent any suggestion that scientist guided me there, or a lot of other people for that matter. It was in spite not because of them that I stopped. What I may or may not of learned subsequent to that is another story.

If you’re asking whether you would need intervention to become thin, you absolutely would, because thinness is not a natural, sustainable state for your body. It’s scientists who figured that out.

There is a role for science in determining what is healthy and how to best improve public health. The focus on becoming thin is an industry focus, with science as a tool.

Yes, studies are corrupted when science has to turn to industry for funding it’s not getting from the government. But I don’t understand the desire to condemn science as a whole because you don’t want drugs to make you thin.

What is the endgame? To invent pills, I don’t want to be a pill-popper, if I did, I would take the fun drugs that are available already.
I don’t want any operations so that’s no good to me.
Any good social policies that could come out of this are a reversal of things that used to be such as phys. ed. the best nutrition we could afford for our kids. We dispensed with nourishing meals and fed them food industry slop, because we had better things to spend our money on, i.e. adult pleasures such as tax cuts.

I didn’t need science, drugs or the knowledge of leptin to become fat, so why should I need it to become thin, if indeed that is doable?

I’m saying that this is as much a question of logical thought as opposed to fat people tend to have more of this or that chemical in their make-up. I think scientists may agree, or they would not bypass their normal intelligence gathering regarding fat.

“Experts agree that a more nutritious diet and taking part in physical activity are good for everyone, regardless of their current weight.
[…]
A recent review of strategies to prevent, control, and treat obesity, funded in part by NIH, found that adult weight-loss centered strategies often yield limited results, and successes are “typically small and tend to be transitory.” Another review found that “a focus on weight loss is often counterproductive and unsuccessful, and sometimes may even be unnecessary,” compared to focusing on encouraging people to engage in healthier behaviors whether or not they are overweight.
While there is little support for effective, long term approaches to successful weight loss, there is significant scientific consensus around the health benefits of physical activity for everyone, no matter their weight.”

A couple of pages down the line:
“Experts have found that:
■ Physical activity helps control and prevent a range of health problems, including diabetes, heart disease, and stroke; and
■ Even small amounts of physical activity can improve health, no matter how much a person weighs or whether a person loses weight.”

OMG, I thought, it’s *right there*! Were these people even aware what they’d written down, I wonder?
Not only do these couple of paragraphs admit that HAES is the way to go, between the lines – if you read correctly and carefully – we can all read what we already knew:
“a focus on weight loss is often counterproductive.” In plain English: dieting doesn’t work and makes you fatter. Now we all knew that already, didn’t we? So if weight loss is counterproductive, why do these boneheads still cry out at the top of their lungs we need to lose weight? Why do they even write down the subtitle of this report “How obesity policies are failing in America” (well, and all around the western world, that is, from my perspective) when they already know it’s not about friggin’ obesity at all??? AAARRGGH!!!!

Way on-topic, keep up the excellent work!