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		<title>By: emily</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/08/27/howd-you-do-it-redux/#comment-88252</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 01:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I started tearing up while reading this, because I&#039;ve been really freaked out for the last week or so, thinking seriously about my eating habits. 

I&#039;ve been assuming all along that a) I do not now have, nor have I ever had an eating disorder, and b) that I *must* eat too much, because I&#039;m so fat (though this hasn&#039;t generally resulted in any dieting - sometimes in little spurts of determination to only &#039;eat healthy&#039;, but mostly in protestations that I&#039;m in grad school and can&#039;t afford to be hungry all the time *right now*, so it&#039;ll have to wait, y&#039;know?). 

But that&#039;s just it: I don&#039;t get hungry. Sometimes I get interested in something (not necessarily something productive) and don&#039;t eat at all for a day or more. When it happens, I usually don&#039;t remember to eat until I&#039;m either suddenly presented with food or have gone without so long that my stomach is rolling. I&#039;m not depriving myself deliberately (though going without food so long has been known to make me feel secretly powerful) or even trying to lose weight, I just don&#039;t get hungry. That&#039;s not good, right?

I&#039;m not trying to suggest that my situation equates to the very serious plight of someone with a life-threatening, diagnostic eating disorder. But I am realizing that this thing about myself I&#039;ve been treating as a mere quirk might actually be a real problem. With some embarrassment, I will admit to having thought that my not getting hungry was my body trying to tell me, &#039;Clearly you&#039;ve already eaten enough for a lifetime, you cow!&#039; 

The last couple days, I&#039;ve been keeping track of how much I&#039;ve actually gotten around to eating, and if I&#039;m doing the math right, it ends up being a lot less than you&#039;re supposed to eat each day. I&#039;m glad you pointed out that replacing one disordered mode of eating with another isn&#039;t the way, because my anxiety about this was steering me in the wrong direction. I&#039;m definitely gonna check out Good With Cheese.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started tearing up while reading this, because I&#8217;ve been really freaked out for the last week or so, thinking seriously about my eating habits. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been assuming all along that a) I do not now have, nor have I ever had an eating disorder, and b) that I *must* eat too much, because I&#8217;m so fat (though this hasn&#8217;t generally resulted in any dieting &#8211; sometimes in little spurts of determination to only &#8216;eat healthy&#8217;, but mostly in protestations that I&#8217;m in grad school and can&#8217;t afford to be hungry all the time *right now*, so it&#8217;ll have to wait, y&#8217;know?). </p>
<p>But that&#8217;s just it: I don&#8217;t get hungry. Sometimes I get interested in something (not necessarily something productive) and don&#8217;t eat at all for a day or more. When it happens, I usually don&#8217;t remember to eat until I&#8217;m either suddenly presented with food or have gone without so long that my stomach is rolling. I&#8217;m not depriving myself deliberately (though going without food so long has been known to make me feel secretly powerful) or even trying to lose weight, I just don&#8217;t get hungry. That&#8217;s not good, right?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to suggest that my situation equates to the very serious plight of someone with a life-threatening, diagnostic eating disorder. But I am realizing that this thing about myself I&#8217;ve been treating as a mere quirk might actually be a real problem. With some embarrassment, I will admit to having thought that my not getting hungry was my body trying to tell me, &#8216;Clearly you&#8217;ve already eaten enough for a lifetime, you cow!&#8217; </p>
<p>The last couple days, I&#8217;ve been keeping track of how much I&#8217;ve actually gotten around to eating, and if I&#8217;m doing the math right, it ends up being a lot less than you&#8217;re supposed to eat each day. I&#8217;m glad you pointed out that replacing one disordered mode of eating with another isn&#8217;t the way, because my anxiety about this was steering me in the wrong direction. I&#8217;m definitely gonna check out Good With Cheese.</p>
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		<title>By: fillyjonk</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/08/27/howd-you-do-it-redux/#comment-8800</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fillyjonk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know, I &lt;i&gt;wasn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; really any good at it.  I think I took it on as something else to beat myself up for not being good at.  Chacun a son gout, I guess, pun intended.

Good With Cheese, your comment reminded me of a friend Sweet Machine and I had in college, who was a &lt;i&gt;really good&lt;/i&gt; smoker.  She knew all the tricks, and she had this amazingly beautiful sculptured face so she looked great doing it.  I was 50% more impressed with her, when she quit, than I was with any of my friends who were only middling smokers.  It takes a lot to give up something you&#039;re great at.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I <i>wasn&#8217;t</i> really any good at it.  I think I took it on as something else to beat myself up for not being good at.  Chacun a son gout, I guess, pun intended.</p>
<p>Good With Cheese, your comment reminded me of a friend Sweet Machine and I had in college, who was a <i>really good</i> smoker.  She knew all the tricks, and she had this amazingly beautiful sculptured face so she looked great doing it.  I was 50% more impressed with her, when she quit, than I was with any of my friends who were only middling smokers.  It takes a lot to give up something you&#8217;re great at.</p>
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		<title>By: Madge</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/08/27/howd-you-do-it-redux/#comment-8770</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Madge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right on, Harriet! and in learning to feed yourself lovingly and competently, we also  have to learn to LISTEN to our bodies again. We&#039;ve been taught NOT to listen to our bodies, while simultaneously receiving the message that cravings are WRONG and a sign of weakness and lack of willpower. Cravings are natural and important. It&#039;s the body telling us what we need, if only we&#039;d listen. We need to learn to trust ourselves again....take that trust we have now put in Merck and J&amp;J, Splenda and the FDA, and bring it back to our own bodies. After all, who knows your body better than you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on, Harriet! and in learning to feed yourself lovingly and competently, we also  have to learn to LISTEN to our bodies again. We&#8217;ve been taught NOT to listen to our bodies, while simultaneously receiving the message that cravings are WRONG and a sign of weakness and lack of willpower. Cravings are natural and important. It&#8217;s the body telling us what we need, if only we&#8217;d listen. We need to learn to trust ourselves again&#8230;.take that trust we have now put in Merck and J&amp;J, Splenda and the FDA, and bring it back to our own bodies. After all, who knows your body better than you?</p>
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		<title>By: goodwithcheese</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, glad to help!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, glad to help!</p>
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		<title>By: sweetmachine</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/08/27/howd-you-do-it-redux/#comment-8712</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sweetmachine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I was an awesome dieter because I flat-out wasn’t good at (or didn’t perceive myself as good at) anything else in my life. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

goodwithcheese, your comment just made a light bulb go off over my head. I think one of the main reasons that I narrowly escaped ED/dieting hell as a younger woman is that I &lt;em&gt;wasn&#039;t good at it&lt;/em&gt; and I&#039;ve always been an annoying striver. ;-) I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s because my blood sugar tends to be touchy or because I grew up with brothers or what, but I was really bad at restricting food. Obviously, I was bad at being a thin person, too, but not quite *as* bad.

You&#039;d think after 28 years I&#039;d already know this kind of thing, but I guess not. Thanks for leading me to it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I was an awesome dieter because I flat-out wasn’t good at (or didn’t perceive myself as good at) anything else in my life. </p></blockquote>
<p>goodwithcheese, your comment just made a light bulb go off over my head. I think one of the main reasons that I narrowly escaped ED/dieting hell as a younger woman is that I <em>wasn&#8217;t good at it</em> and I&#8217;ve always been an annoying striver. ;-) I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s because my blood sugar tends to be touchy or because I grew up with brothers or what, but I was really bad at restricting food. Obviously, I was bad at being a thin person, too, but not quite *as* bad.</p>
<p>You&#8217;d think after 28 years I&#8217;d already know this kind of thing, but I guess not. Thanks for leading me to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Harriet</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/08/27/howd-you-do-it-redux/#comment-8690</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post, fillyjonk. You are dead on: our whole society is so e.d. that you have to go against the cultural mainstream to develop a healthy relationship with food. You&#039;re perceived as messed-up, in fact, because restricting is pretty much the cultural norm. 

I would add one bullet point to your good list: Learn to feed yourself joyfully and competently. (I didn&#039;t make this up; this is Ellyn Satter&#039;s premise.) That includes eating when you&#039;re hungry, not eating when you&#039;re not. Learning to  recognize cues of hunger and satiety. Learning to trust yourself--that you won&#039;t allow yourself to go hungry. That there will always be enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, fillyjonk. You are dead on: our whole society is so e.d. that you have to go against the cultural mainstream to develop a healthy relationship with food. You&#8217;re perceived as messed-up, in fact, because restricting is pretty much the cultural norm. </p>
<p>I would add one bullet point to your good list: Learn to feed yourself joyfully and competently. (I didn&#8217;t make this up; this is Ellyn Satter&#8217;s premise.) That includes eating when you&#8217;re hungry, not eating when you&#8217;re not. Learning to  recognize cues of hunger and satiety. Learning to trust yourself&#8211;that you won&#8217;t allow yourself to go hungry. That there will always be enough.</p>
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		<title>By: goodwithcheese</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/08/27/howd-you-do-it-redux/#comment-8671</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[goodwithcheese]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First, thanks for the kind words.  Second, what you say about taking up *anything* other than your disordered behaviors really resonates with me.  I was an awesome dieter because I flat-out wasn&#039;t good at (or didn&#039;t perceive myself as good at) anything else in my life.  And feeling GENIUS at something for the first time in my life?  Heady stuff.  Now I&#039;m trying to stretch myself to recognize that &#039;good at&#039; isn&#039;t a noble goal for me.  I&#039;m going to strive for joy and self-love.  Striving for perfection can go suck it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, thanks for the kind words.  Second, what you say about taking up *anything* other than your disordered behaviors really resonates with me.  I was an awesome dieter because I flat-out wasn&#8217;t good at (or didn&#8217;t perceive myself as good at) anything else in my life.  And feeling GENIUS at something for the first time in my life?  Heady stuff.  Now I&#8217;m trying to stretch myself to recognize that &#8216;good at&#8217; isn&#8217;t a noble goal for me.  I&#8217;m going to strive for joy and self-love.  Striving for perfection can go suck it.</p>
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		<title>By: spacedcowgirl</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/08/27/howd-you-do-it-redux/#comment-8669</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spacedcowgirl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This whole discussion kind of makes me want to have children just so I can nurture and feed them properly and give them messages other than the ridiculous crap that most kids have to hear these days. My heart is breaking for the little versions of all of you who ended up on the road to disordered eating, and for that 5-month-old baby. For all that my mom put me on diets from a young age, and kept only &quot;good, clean&quot; foods in the house and all that stuff, and for all I did end up a compulsive eater, she basically loved me and thought she was doing the right thing. And her behavior was nowhere near as pernicious as that of some of my friends&#039; moms, nor indeed as bad as the way fat kids routinely seem to get treated these days. Our society is completely broken.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole discussion kind of makes me want to have children just so I can nurture and feed them properly and give them messages other than the ridiculous crap that most kids have to hear these days. My heart is breaking for the little versions of all of you who ended up on the road to disordered eating, and for that 5-month-old baby. For all that my mom put me on diets from a young age, and kept only &#8220;good, clean&#8221; foods in the house and all that stuff, and for all I did end up a compulsive eater, she basically loved me and thought she was doing the right thing. And her behavior was nowhere near as pernicious as that of some of my friends&#8217; moms, nor indeed as bad as the way fat kids routinely seem to get treated these days. Our society is completely broken.</p>
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		<title>By: fillyjonk</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/08/27/howd-you-do-it-redux/#comment-8661</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fillyjonk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Obesity doesn’t kill. Obesity hysteria does.&lt;/i&gt;

And starving babies.  That tends to be harmful.

But we wouldn&#039;t want them to be OMG FAT.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Obesity doesn’t kill. Obesity hysteria does.</i></p>
<p>And starving babies.  That tends to be harmful.</p>
<p>But we wouldn&#8217;t want them to be OMG FAT.</p>
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		<title>By: Madge</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/08/27/howd-you-do-it-redux/#comment-8644</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[UGH the tales of medical staff thinking you&#039;re just &#039;puking for attention&#039; because you&#039;re bulimic and fat? are soooo..... beyond frustrating. Aren&#039;t most bulimics average weight to fat? I read that statistic somewhere, because even though you&#039;re puking up a bunch, you&#039;re still keeping 30-70% of calories ingested. How do medical personnel not know this? And, don&#039;t they teach bedside manner even MORE so in the psych unit? jesus. obviously not.
Fatgirlonabike, i know you don&#039;t necessarily want to be held up as a role model, but you just so are. You&#039;re an inspiration. 
And Dorianne, it makes me so angry that you were never even given a fair shake at having a healthy relationship with food when growing up. You were robbed. 
My sister has a 5 month old daughter, and already her husband has commented that the baby &quot;looks fat&quot; and &quot;perhaps she shouldn&#039;t be fed so much&quot;.  Obesity doesn&#039;t kill. Obesity hysteria does.
I think i have to go punch and kick things now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UGH the tales of medical staff thinking you&#8217;re just &#8216;puking for attention&#8217; because you&#8217;re bulimic and fat? are soooo&#8230;.. beyond frustrating. Aren&#8217;t most bulimics average weight to fat? I read that statistic somewhere, because even though you&#8217;re puking up a bunch, you&#8217;re still keeping 30-70% of calories ingested. How do medical personnel not know this? And, don&#8217;t they teach bedside manner even MORE so in the psych unit? jesus. obviously not.<br />
Fatgirlonabike, i know you don&#8217;t necessarily want to be held up as a role model, but you just so are. You&#8217;re an inspiration.<br />
And Dorianne, it makes me so angry that you were never even given a fair shake at having a healthy relationship with food when growing up. You were robbed.<br />
My sister has a 5 month old daughter, and already her husband has commented that the baby &#8220;looks fat&#8221; and &#8220;perhaps she shouldn&#8217;t be fed so much&#8221;.  Obesity doesn&#8217;t kill. Obesity hysteria does.<br />
I think i have to go punch and kick things now.</p>
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