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	<title>Comments on: Remotely Natural Hair: Definitely a &#8220;Don&#8217;t!&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: littlem</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/08/15/remotely-natural-hair-definitely-a-dont/#comment-7238</link>
		<dc:creator>littlem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 04:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This quote was on About, and IMO it summarizes the issue far more eloquently than I ever could (other than the &quot;maintenance allowance&quot; thing):

&lt;i&gt;&quot;One final postscript: I was going to illustrate this blog entry with a photo of a high-powered national black female CEO with natural hair--except that I couldn&#039;t find any. In fact, only three of Ebony&#039;s ten most powerful black women in America don&#039;t have straight hair. And these three women--Marian Wright Edelman of the Children&#039;s Defense Fund, Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-TX), and NAACP lead counsel Elaine R. Jones--have all achieved their success in the area of activism and public policy.

I&#039;m in no position to lecture anybody about whether natural hair is more authentic than, or otherwise preferable to, straightened hair. But it&#039;s hard to look at these statements, and at these cold facts, and not come away with the sense that corporate America rewards people with straight hair--hair that most white women are born with, and that most black women have to work to achieve. This is a racist standard that has nothing to do with hygiene or professionalism, and it should be acknowledged as such.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This quote was on About, and IMO it summarizes the issue far more eloquently than I ever could (other than the &#8220;maintenance allowance&#8221; thing):</p>
<p><i>&#8220;One final postscript: I was going to illustrate this blog entry with a photo of a high-powered national black female CEO with natural hair&#8211;except that I couldn&#8217;t find any. In fact, only three of Ebony&#8217;s ten most powerful black women in America don&#8217;t have straight hair. And these three women&#8211;Marian Wright Edelman of the Children&#8217;s Defense Fund, Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-TX), and NAACP lead counsel Elaine R. Jones&#8211;have all achieved their success in the area of activism and public policy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in no position to lecture anybody about whether natural hair is more authentic than, or otherwise preferable to, straightened hair. But it&#8217;s hard to look at these statements, and at these cold facts, and not come away with the sense that corporate America rewards people with straight hair&#8211;hair that most white women are born with, and that most black women have to work to achieve. This is a racist standard that has nothing to do with hygiene or professionalism, and it should be acknowledged as such.&#8221;</i></p>
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		<title>By: Dolley</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/08/15/remotely-natural-hair-definitely-a-dont/#comment-7157</link>
		<dc:creator>Dolley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have straight hair past my waist, and it boggles my mind, all the frenzy and effort and press that is given to making curly hair straight.  Straight hair = DULL.  When it&#039;s humid, my hair is flat.  When it&#039;s rainy, my hair is flat.  When it&#039;s snowy, my hair is flat.  It&#039;s FLAT HAIR.  Why do people want it??  I wear it back in a French braid at the law office (but down, not pinned up), and it&#039;s fine, but it&#039;s a hair-didn&#039;t, not a hairdo.  I just wear it this way until I figure out what I want to do with it.

Ironically, since I&#039;m also an actress, the role I play most often calls for &lt;b&gt;curly&lt;/b&gt; hair.  So I constantly hunt for appropriate hair pieces, since my hair won&#039;t hold a curl to save my live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have straight hair past my waist, and it boggles my mind, all the frenzy and effort and press that is given to making curly hair straight.  Straight hair = DULL.  When it&#8217;s humid, my hair is flat.  When it&#8217;s rainy, my hair is flat.  When it&#8217;s snowy, my hair is flat.  It&#8217;s FLAT HAIR.  Why do people want it??  I wear it back in a French braid at the law office (but down, not pinned up), and it&#8217;s fine, but it&#8217;s a hair-didn&#8217;t, not a hairdo.  I just wear it this way until I figure out what I want to do with it.</p>
<p>Ironically, since I&#8217;m also an actress, the role I play most often calls for <b>curly</b> hair.  So I constantly hunt for appropriate hair pieces, since my hair won&#8217;t hold a curl to save my live.</p>
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		<title>By: kateharding</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/08/15/remotely-natural-hair-definitely-a-dont/#comment-7145</link>
		<dc:creator>kateharding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;LOVE this thread! Everyone has had such great stuff to add to the discussion.&lt;/i&gt;

I love that, too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>LOVE this thread! Everyone has had such great stuff to add to the discussion.</i></p>
<p>I love that, too!</p>
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		<title>By: spacedcowgirl</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/08/15/remotely-natural-hair-definitely-a-dont/#comment-7143</link>
		<dc:creator>spacedcowgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deborah--I agree, Curly Girl is a great book. It&#039;s definitely not &quot;heavy reading&quot; but I learned a lot from it as far as how to care for my wavy/curly hair. Plus you can drool over the gorgeous hair of all the women who were interviewed and photographed for the book.

I am far from what you would call a &quot;go-getter,&quot; but I work in an engineering firm and without minimizing the experiences of others (especially at city law firms, military and government jobs, investment banks, etc.), because I know we have all had different experiences PLUS I&#039;m of white-bread northern European descent and have a relatively &quot;manageable&quot; hair type so I&#039;m sure it&#039;s a lot easier for me... I think it&#039;s possible that we can get away with somewhat more in terms of hairstyle, in some job environments, than we think. In my industry, I don&#039;t think I would bat an eye at seeing a &quot;neat&quot; (OK, even that is subjective, but anyway) hairstyle of any kind on people at any level of management. I&#039;m picturing a curly, kinky, or afro type style paired with a really nice suit and I think that would definitely be considered very professional by people in my line of work. Not that my opinion or my managers&#039; opinions are the be-all and end-all--and lower-level people like me can look pretty much however they want in my office unless meeting with a client--but I think the way people dress is generally considered a more important factor. A well-put-together outfit seems to have the capability of lending an air of professionalism to any hairstyle... and conversely, any hairstyle, &quot;styled&quot; or natural, can look blah or messy or unkempt to me if it&#039;s worn by somebody in droopy, ill-fitting, faded or worn-out clothes and shoes.

I have very mixed feelings about the whole appearance standard for corporate jobs anyway... I think it&#039;s stupid and have a hard time forcing myself to buy into it. But the above is what I have observed in my industry.

As far as the news anchor mentioned upthread, I heard an interesting explanation of that kind of thing from Paula Begoun. She usually includes a photo of herself at the top of her web site and newsletters, and updates it from time to time. She wore her hair natural/curly in one of them and said she had gotten a lot of great feedback on it, but generally was advised by her stylists to blow it out for photos and TV interviews because curly hair scatters the light and doesn&#039;t look as pleasantly &quot;shiny&quot; and reflective as straight hair on-camera. Sort of like it was explained as an aesthetic photographic issue apart from implications about the person&#039;s appearance or ethnicity. Could be just more prejudice and assumptions in disguise... and you could certainly question why someone&#039;s hair NEEDS to look &quot;shiny&quot; anyway... but I thought that was interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deborah&#8211;I agree, Curly Girl is a great book. It&#8217;s definitely not &#8220;heavy reading&#8221; but I learned a lot from it as far as how to care for my wavy/curly hair. Plus you can drool over the gorgeous hair of all the women who were interviewed and photographed for the book.</p>
<p>I am far from what you would call a &#8220;go-getter,&#8221; but I work in an engineering firm and without minimizing the experiences of others (especially at city law firms, military and government jobs, investment banks, etc.), because I know we have all had different experiences PLUS I&#8217;m of white-bread northern European descent and have a relatively &#8220;manageable&#8221; hair type so I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s a lot easier for me&#8230; I think it&#8217;s possible that we can get away with somewhat more in terms of hairstyle, in some job environments, than we think. In my industry, I don&#8217;t think I would bat an eye at seeing a &#8220;neat&#8221; (OK, even that is subjective, but anyway) hairstyle of any kind on people at any level of management. I&#8217;m picturing a curly, kinky, or afro type style paired with a really nice suit and I think that would definitely be considered very professional by people in my line of work. Not that my opinion or my managers&#8217; opinions are the be-all and end-all&#8211;and lower-level people like me can look pretty much however they want in my office unless meeting with a client&#8211;but I think the way people dress is generally considered a more important factor. A well-put-together outfit seems to have the capability of lending an air of professionalism to any hairstyle&#8230; and conversely, any hairstyle, &#8220;styled&#8221; or natural, can look blah or messy or unkempt to me if it&#8217;s worn by somebody in droopy, ill-fitting, faded or worn-out clothes and shoes.</p>
<p>I have very mixed feelings about the whole appearance standard for corporate jobs anyway&#8230; I think it&#8217;s stupid and have a hard time forcing myself to buy into it. But the above is what I have observed in my industry.</p>
<p>As far as the news anchor mentioned upthread, I heard an interesting explanation of that kind of thing from Paula Begoun. She usually includes a photo of herself at the top of her web site and newsletters, and updates it from time to time. She wore her hair natural/curly in one of them and said she had gotten a lot of great feedback on it, but generally was advised by her stylists to blow it out for photos and TV interviews because curly hair scatters the light and doesn&#8217;t look as pleasantly &#8220;shiny&#8221; and reflective as straight hair on-camera. Sort of like it was explained as an aesthetic photographic issue apart from implications about the person&#8217;s appearance or ethnicity. Could be just more prejudice and assumptions in disguise&#8230; and you could certainly question why someone&#8217;s hair NEEDS to look &#8220;shiny&#8221; anyway&#8230; but I thought that was interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Lea</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/08/15/remotely-natural-hair-definitely-a-dont/#comment-7140</link>
		<dc:creator>Lea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOVE this thread! Everyone has had such great stuff to add to the discussion.

I&#039;m a biracial woman and have always worn my hair &quot;natural&quot; -- because if I can&#039;t have hair like Oprah&#039;s once it&#039;s straightened (and really, Oprah must have AMAZING stylists at her command, because her hair doesn&#039;t look like it&#039;s been flatironed to hell, the way many of us look after straightening), then I&#039;m going curly. Besides, I absolutely hate messing around with my hair; I&#039;m a wash-and-go girl.

I never thought about whether my hair made a difference at work, as long as it was neat (I keep it short) and I looked professional. Then I tried braids once in my life, and wow -- EVERYONE in my workplace told me how beautiful I looked! I was shocked, because while the braids looked good, I didn&#039;t look like myself without the curly hair. I worked in an environment that was 95 percent white.

Someone commented on how black men aren&#039;t told how to wear their hair. I beg to differ -- men often aren&#039;t allowed to wear cornrows. I live in Richmond, Va., and back in 2000 or 2001, a local high school basketball coach suspended players who refused to get rid of their cornrows. I didn&#039;t get it then, and I don&#039;t get it now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOVE this thread! Everyone has had such great stuff to add to the discussion.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a biracial woman and have always worn my hair &#8220;natural&#8221; &#8212; because if I can&#8217;t have hair like Oprah&#8217;s once it&#8217;s straightened (and really, Oprah must have AMAZING stylists at her command, because her hair doesn&#8217;t look like it&#8217;s been flatironed to hell, the way many of us look after straightening), then I&#8217;m going curly. Besides, I absolutely hate messing around with my hair; I&#8217;m a wash-and-go girl.</p>
<p>I never thought about whether my hair made a difference at work, as long as it was neat (I keep it short) and I looked professional. Then I tried braids once in my life, and wow &#8212; EVERYONE in my workplace told me how beautiful I looked! I was shocked, because while the braids looked good, I didn&#8217;t look like myself without the curly hair. I worked in an environment that was 95 percent white.</p>
<p>Someone commented on how black men aren&#8217;t told how to wear their hair. I beg to differ &#8212; men often aren&#8217;t allowed to wear cornrows. I live in Richmond, Va., and back in 2000 or 2001, a local high school basketball coach suspended players who refused to get rid of their cornrows. I didn&#8217;t get it then, and I don&#8217;t get it now.</p>
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		<title>By: kateharding</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/08/15/remotely-natural-hair-definitely-a-dont/#comment-7134</link>
		<dc:creator>kateharding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally insane, Julia. I think little girls with short hair, afro or otherwise, are as cute as it gets, 9 times out of 10. My sister M. will attest that having hair cut so as to be repeatedly mistaken for a boy is no picnic -- and really, I don&#039;t know what the hell my mother was thinking with M.&#039;s hair for a while there. (My feelings about culturally enforced gender roles aside, that really did a number on her.) But plenty of little girls with short hair just look like &lt;i&gt;little girls with short hair, &lt;/i&gt;and not only do I think it&#039;s adorable, I think, hey, kid, kudos to your mom for not budgeting half an hour or more into every day just to deal with your freakin&#039; hair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally insane, Julia. I think little girls with short hair, afro or otherwise, are as cute as it gets, 9 times out of 10. My sister M. will attest that having hair cut so as to be repeatedly mistaken for a boy is no picnic &#8212; and really, I don&#8217;t know what the hell my mother was thinking with M.&#8217;s hair for a while there. (My feelings about culturally enforced gender roles aside, that really did a number on her.) But plenty of little girls with short hair just look like <i>little girls with short hair, </i>and not only do I think it&#8217;s adorable, I think, hey, kid, kudos to your mom for not budgeting half an hour or more into every day just to deal with your freakin&#8217; hair.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/08/15/remotely-natural-hair-definitely-a-dont/#comment-7133</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kate, thanks for liking my fatshionista posts.  I&#039;m blushing now.

And yes, it&#039;s interesting how negatively some people perceive short hair.  Sometimes I wear my hair in long braids and I suddenly get all these positive reactions and attention. It&#039;s so odd.  I&#039;ve also seen people (black and white) criticize parents for the sin of having a girl child wear a short little afro.  It&#039;s insane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate, thanks for liking my fatshionista posts.  I&#8217;m blushing now.</p>
<p>And yes, it&#8217;s interesting how negatively some people perceive short hair.  Sometimes I wear my hair in long braids and I suddenly get all these positive reactions and attention. It&#8217;s so odd.  I&#8217;ve also seen people (black and white) criticize parents for the sin of having a girl child wear a short little afro.  It&#8217;s insane.</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/08/15/remotely-natural-hair-definitely-a-dont/#comment-7085</link>
		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 03:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julia--I&#039;m guessing my friend&#039;s experience with her afro was just anomalous. I&#039;m caucasian and have fairly standard thick, dark, reather wavy hair and I&#039;ve given up on stylists. I had hip-length hair as a child, and my mother used to have to stand behind the stylist&#039;s chair to make sure they didn&#039;t decide to &quot;experess their art&quot; using my hair as a medium. I&#039;d never had a haircut I was happy with in 18 years until I got head lice, lost my temper and shaved all my hair off.

It&#039;s growing back now, but I still won&#039;t go anywhere near a salon. The barber who rents his store next to my mother&#039;s cuts my hair for free. And he does exactly what I ask him to, nothing more. No comments about how I&#039;d look as a blonde, how I should get a perm, get layers, etc. Just a neat, simple trim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julia&#8211;I&#8217;m guessing my friend&#8217;s experience with her afro was just anomalous. I&#8217;m caucasian and have fairly standard thick, dark, reather wavy hair and I&#8217;ve given up on stylists. I had hip-length hair as a child, and my mother used to have to stand behind the stylist&#8217;s chair to make sure they didn&#8217;t decide to &#8220;experess their art&#8221; using my hair as a medium. I&#8217;d never had a haircut I was happy with in 18 years until I got head lice, lost my temper and shaved all my hair off.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s growing back now, but I still won&#8217;t go anywhere near a salon. The barber who rents his store next to my mother&#8217;s cuts my hair for free. And he does exactly what I ask him to, nothing more. No comments about how I&#8217;d look as a blonde, how I should get a perm, get layers, etc. Just a neat, simple trim.</p>
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		<title>By: littlem</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/08/15/remotely-natural-hair-definitely-a-dont/#comment-7030</link>
		<dc:creator>littlem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More and yet more:

Allison Stewart has a Peabody (from her days at MTV) and an Emmy.  Yet apparently she got received some criticism for keeping her hair curly.

http://afrobella.com/?p=279

This is where we&#039;re at, people.  Still and again.  Apparently Emmy and Peabody don&#039;t trump verging-on-nappy.

(Although Allison looks silky-curly to me; I don&#039;t have the energetic wherewithal to get into the &lt;i&gt;intraracial&lt;/i&gt; gradients right now ...)

Also, what Julia just said.  Times about 100.  If we added in the &quot;maintenance&quot; allowance to what women, generally, currently make, it would just about bring us up to what men ALREADY make.  &lt;i&gt;Quel triomphe.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More and yet more:</p>
<p>Allison Stewart has a Peabody (from her days at MTV) and an Emmy.  Yet apparently she got received some criticism for keeping her hair curly.</p>
<p><a href="http://afrobella.com/?p=279" rel="nofollow">http://afrobella.com/?p=279</a></p>
<p>This is where we&#8217;re at, people.  Still and again.  Apparently Emmy and Peabody don&#8217;t trump verging-on-nappy.</p>
<p>(Although Allison looks silky-curly to me; I don&#8217;t have the energetic wherewithal to get into the <i>intraracial</i> gradients right now &#8230;)</p>
<p>Also, what Julia just said.  Times about 100.  If we added in the &#8220;maintenance&#8221; allowance to what women, generally, currently make, it would just about bring us up to what men ALREADY make.  <i>Quel triomphe.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/08/15/remotely-natural-hair-definitely-a-dont/#comment-7025</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“If the Glamour editor feels that natural styles are too political, then maybe a maintaining an “appropriate” look allowance should be built into their paychecks.”

But it is! You conform, and you get the financial and hierarchical rewards. Sucky but true: corporate life is very restrictive of personal differences, and to do well, black, white, jewish, or asian, that line has got to be toed!&lt;/i&gt;

If you assume men, and women are getting paid equally (which I don&#039;t), women have to pay more for appropriate clothing, hair styling, makeup, etc.  And, assuming black women are paid equally to white women, you&#039;re mandating black women pay an extra $100 every 6 weeks to maintain their hair.  Unless those extra expenses are being added to salaries, people are getting financially punished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“If the Glamour editor feels that natural styles are too political, then maybe a maintaining an “appropriate” look allowance should be built into their paychecks.”</p>
<p>But it is! You conform, and you get the financial and hierarchical rewards. Sucky but true: corporate life is very restrictive of personal differences, and to do well, black, white, jewish, or asian, that line has got to be toed!</i></p>
<p>If you assume men, and women are getting paid equally (which I don&#8217;t), women have to pay more for appropriate clothing, hair styling, makeup, etc.  And, assuming black women are paid equally to white women, you&#8217;re mandating black women pay an extra $100 every 6 weeks to maintain their hair.  Unless those extra expenses are being added to salaries, people are getting financially punished.</p>
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