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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/08/09/okay-now-im-mad/#comment-84139</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 05:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know I&#039;m a late-comer to this article, but thanks again for writing some of the smartest stuff I&#039;ve ever read.  P.S. you are beautiful!  (or what I can see of you anyway).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I&#8217;m a late-comer to this article, but thanks again for writing some of the smartest stuff I&#8217;ve ever read.  P.S. you are beautiful!  (or what I can see of you anyway).</p>
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		<title>By: himawari</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/08/09/okay-now-im-mad/#comment-49547</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know this is old, but I just wanted to add...

I&#039;m a size 8 and I, too, have been publicly harassed about my weight.  Some people are just jackasses who pick on whoever appears to be the easiest target.  Being a non-skinny woman in this society makes you a target for fat jokes (and being a skinny woman makes you a target for anorexia jokes, which is also appalling).

Plus, why is the focus on women&#039;s weight?  I don&#039;t know ANY women who don&#039;t have a desire to lose weight/maintain a certain weight, and most women I know have serious hangups about their bodies.  If fat really did become more socially acceptable, this would be a good thing, and millions of women could reclaim their bodies as their own.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is old, but I just wanted to add&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a size 8 and I, too, have been publicly harassed about my weight.  Some people are just jackasses who pick on whoever appears to be the easiest target.  Being a non-skinny woman in this society makes you a target for fat jokes (and being a skinny woman makes you a target for anorexia jokes, which is also appalling).</p>
<p>Plus, why is the focus on women&#8217;s weight?  I don&#8217;t know ANY women who don&#8217;t have a desire to lose weight/maintain a certain weight, and most women I know have serious hangups about their bodies.  If fat really did become more socially acceptable, this would be a good thing, and millions of women could reclaim their bodies as their own.</p>
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		<title>By: kateharding</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/08/09/okay-now-im-mad/#comment-6443</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kateharding]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Given that I AM the MSM (thankfully not covering health,) it blows my mind that we have major style requirements for everything related to race, ethnicity, social background, homosexuality (though you wouldn’t know that from the paper I work at,) etc. But there are no style guidelines to deal with someone’s weight.&lt;/i&gt;

Sarah, the good news is, there are people at work right now on something akin to GLAAD&#039;s media reference guide, which helped establish those style requirements for reporting about gay people. Obviously, not all papers have adopted GLAAD&#039;s recommendations, but it&#039;s created some major changes. Here&#039;s hoping a fat guide could do the same -- especially since I believe &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; of it is done more out of ignorance than malice. 

As for your theory about NYC/LA/TV in general, I think it certainly makes sense, though obviously we have no way of knowing how true it is or isn&#039;t. I would say we live in an eating disordered culture in general, and any industry that puts an extra special emphasis on thinness is bound to suffer from it even more. 

But yeah, correlation is not causation. I would love to see someone research that, though, along with the question that came up the other day about how many nutritionists and fitness instructors have eating disorders.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Given that I AM the MSM (thankfully not covering health,) it blows my mind that we have major style requirements for everything related to race, ethnicity, social background, homosexuality (though you wouldn’t know that from the paper I work at,) etc. But there are no style guidelines to deal with someone’s weight.</i></p>
<p>Sarah, the good news is, there are people at work right now on something akin to GLAAD&#8217;s media reference guide, which helped establish those style requirements for reporting about gay people. Obviously, not all papers have adopted GLAAD&#8217;s recommendations, but it&#8217;s created some major changes. Here&#8217;s hoping a fat guide could do the same &#8212; especially since I believe <i>some</i> of it is done more out of ignorance than malice. </p>
<p>As for your theory about NYC/LA/TV in general, I think it certainly makes sense, though obviously we have no way of knowing how true it is or isn&#8217;t. I would say we live in an eating disordered culture in general, and any industry that puts an extra special emphasis on thinness is bound to suffer from it even more. </p>
<p>But yeah, correlation is not causation. I would love to see someone research that, though, along with the question that came up the other day about how many nutritionists and fitness instructors have eating disorders.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Watson</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/08/09/okay-now-im-mad/#comment-6442</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sarah Watson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been wondering about the MSM&#039;s coverage of fat people for a while. Given that I AM the MSM (thankfully not covering health,) it blows my mind that we have major style requirements for everything related to race, ethnicity, social background, homosexuality (though you wouldn&#039;t know that from the paper I work at,) etc. But there are no style guidelines to deal with someone&#039;s weight. Writers who think they&#039;re being sensitive just say Obese without giving definition to what that is. 

Many others want readers to think they&#039;re funny, cute or droll and use very overused and rather offensive phrases such as &quot;tipping the scales,&quot; &quot;spare tires,&quot; &quot;dropping pounds,&quot; &quot;blubber,&quot; &quot;rolls of fat&quot; because they seem more conversational.

But my main thought is this: a LOT of the articles coming out about studies on obesity are written in NYC, LA or by TV reporters. All of those areas (and the TV profession in general) tend to be more culturally obsessed with thinness. 

I know correlation doesn&#039;t mean causation, but I when I came to that realization, it made a lot more sense why many of the NYTs articles about weight, health and culture make me want to slit the writer&#039;s/editor&#039;s wrists. 

And don&#039;t get me started on &#039;critiquing&#039; TV reports. 

Thoughts?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been wondering about the MSM&#8217;s coverage of fat people for a while. Given that I AM the MSM (thankfully not covering health,) it blows my mind that we have major style requirements for everything related to race, ethnicity, social background, homosexuality (though you wouldn&#8217;t know that from the paper I work at,) etc. But there are no style guidelines to deal with someone&#8217;s weight. Writers who think they&#8217;re being sensitive just say Obese without giving definition to what that is. </p>
<p>Many others want readers to think they&#8217;re funny, cute or droll and use very overused and rather offensive phrases such as &#8220;tipping the scales,&#8221; &#8220;spare tires,&#8221; &#8220;dropping pounds,&#8221; &#8220;blubber,&#8221; &#8220;rolls of fat&#8221; because they seem more conversational.</p>
<p>But my main thought is this: a LOT of the articles coming out about studies on obesity are written in NYC, LA or by TV reporters. All of those areas (and the TV profession in general) tend to be more culturally obsessed with thinness. </p>
<p>I know correlation doesn&#8217;t mean causation, but I when I came to that realization, it made a lot more sense why many of the NYTs articles about weight, health and culture make me want to slit the writer&#8217;s/editor&#8217;s wrists. </p>
<p>And don&#8217;t get me started on &#8216;critiquing&#8217; TV reports. </p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: kateharding</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/08/09/okay-now-im-mad/#comment-6362</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kateharding]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, Rose, I&#039;m 5&#039;2&quot;, and that&#039;s a big part of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Rose, I&#8217;m 5&#8217;2&#8243;, and that&#8217;s a big part of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/08/09/okay-now-im-mad/#comment-6361</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rose]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a note on short folks and BMI.  I&#039;m 5&#039;1 and 130 lbs right now.  Last winter I was 150 lbs.  I am now in the high end of a &quot;normal&quot; BMI and in the winter I was an &quot;obese&quot; BMI.  So when you&#039;re short, there&#039;s 15 - 20 lbs that separates you from &quot;normal&quot; to &quot;obese&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note on short folks and BMI.  I&#8217;m 5&#8217;1 and 130 lbs right now.  Last winter I was 150 lbs.  I am now in the high end of a &#8220;normal&#8221; BMI and in the winter I was an &#8220;obese&#8221; BMI.  So when you&#8217;re short, there&#8217;s 15 &#8211; 20 lbs that separates you from &#8220;normal&#8221; to &#8220;obese&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: kateharding</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/08/09/okay-now-im-mad/#comment-6342</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kateharding]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;But If I am able to go rock climbing and sailing when I am “obese” and not break a sweat….something needs to be reevaluated here….I would consider myself fit.&lt;/i&gt;

AnnaLee, that&#039;s it exactly. And in fact, I would question why you think you need to lose weight for your health if A) you&#039;re fit, B) you know you have medical problems that affect your weight, and C) when you were at the upper end of a &quot;healthy&quot; weight, people thought you looked too thin.

I&#039;ve said it many times before but am always willing to say it again: eating a healthful variety of foods and exercising are both wonderful things I very much encourage, but there&#039;s no reason to assume that if they don&#039;t cause weight loss, they aren&#039;t causing health benefits. If you&#039;re rock climbing and hiking and getting your veggies, there&#039;s simply no good reason why you should have to lose weight -- even factoring in the insulin resistance. (From everything I&#039;ve read, even if fat cells do affect insulin resistance, exercise has a tremendous positive effect on that, regardless of weight.)

Oh, and thanks for the compliment. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But If I am able to go rock climbing and sailing when I am “obese” and not break a sweat….something needs to be reevaluated here….I would consider myself fit.</i></p>
<p>AnnaLee, that&#8217;s it exactly. And in fact, I would question why you think you need to lose weight for your health if A) you&#8217;re fit, B) you know you have medical problems that affect your weight, and C) when you were at the upper end of a &#8220;healthy&#8221; weight, people thought you looked too thin.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said it many times before but am always willing to say it again: eating a healthful variety of foods and exercising are both wonderful things I very much encourage, but there&#8217;s no reason to assume that if they don&#8217;t cause weight loss, they aren&#8217;t causing health benefits. If you&#8217;re rock climbing and hiking and getting your veggies, there&#8217;s simply no good reason why you should have to lose weight &#8212; even factoring in the insulin resistance. (From everything I&#8217;ve read, even if fat cells do affect insulin resistance, exercise has a tremendous positive effect on that, regardless of weight.)</p>
<p>Oh, and thanks for the compliment. :)</p>
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		<title>By: AnnaLee</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/08/09/okay-now-im-mad/#comment-6340</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AnnaLee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t help noticing the irony of my own position, sitting here in a hotel, reading your reaction to said article (which I read) while eating a way too large portion of Club Sandwich, Salad, and French Fries :D  However, I don&#039;t really care. I agree with you.  As a 5&#039;0&quot; woman, who *I think* weighs about 155 (I haven&#039;t had a working scale in months) I guess that I am obese!  However, I am very active, eat healthily, take my vitamins, don&#039;t drink (much), don&#039;t smoke, etc.
While I am well aware that my weight isn&#039;t &quot;healthy&quot; I know that I would be undernourished if I weighed the 100 pounds that according to the BMI I am supposed to be.
About 6 years ago, I lost weight....I was around 125 lbs...and my friends and family said that I was getting too skinny....still on the upper end of my &quot;ideal BMI&quot;.
I think that one of the main issues that is being ignored (aside from the fact that many clinically obese people don&#039;t look like the poor lady featured in the article photo) is that maybe there are a lot of underlying medical issue that may be contributing to the &quot;problem&quot;....or they are just big! I have a friend, who is fat, and admits it, (though I would consider myself to be fat as well) but she is one of the fittest people I know and can walk rings around my skinny &quot;healthy&quot; friends!
I know that for myself, I have several underlying medical issues that contribute to my weight: Hashimoto&#039;s Disease, PCOS, Insulin Resitance to name the stuff I know of.
I know, that for my health, I need to lose weight, and I am doing so, with help of medication, healthy eating and exercise, but I know that I will never weigh 100 lbs.  It ain&#039;t ever going to happen.
But If I am able to go rock climbing and sailing when I am &quot;obese&quot; and not break a sweat....something needs to be reevaluated here....I would consider myself fit.  Maybe not as toned as I would like, but I have to say, that for a clinically obese woman, Kate Harding, you look Awesome! I think you look good....and I know that you aren&#039;t fishing for complimnets, but it really illustrated the bias that there is in the media...and it makes me sad!  I think fitness, not numbers on the scale should be the litmus test.  I know way too many skinny people who can&#039;t keep up on a hike with me....and I am the fat one! What is wrong with this picture? Or right for that matter!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help noticing the irony of my own position, sitting here in a hotel, reading your reaction to said article (which I read) while eating a way too large portion of Club Sandwich, Salad, and French Fries :D  However, I don&#8217;t really care. I agree with you.  As a 5&#8217;0&#8243; woman, who *I think* weighs about 155 (I haven&#8217;t had a working scale in months) I guess that I am obese!  However, I am very active, eat healthily, take my vitamins, don&#8217;t drink (much), don&#8217;t smoke, etc.<br />
While I am well aware that my weight isn&#8217;t &#8220;healthy&#8221; I know that I would be undernourished if I weighed the 100 pounds that according to the BMI I am supposed to be.<br />
About 6 years ago, I lost weight&#8230;.I was around 125 lbs&#8230;and my friends and family said that I was getting too skinny&#8230;.still on the upper end of my &#8220;ideal BMI&#8221;.<br />
I think that one of the main issues that is being ignored (aside from the fact that many clinically obese people don&#8217;t look like the poor lady featured in the article photo) is that maybe there are a lot of underlying medical issue that may be contributing to the &#8220;problem&#8221;&#8230;.or they are just big! I have a friend, who is fat, and admits it, (though I would consider myself to be fat as well) but she is one of the fittest people I know and can walk rings around my skinny &#8220;healthy&#8221; friends!<br />
I know that for myself, I have several underlying medical issues that contribute to my weight: Hashimoto&#8217;s Disease, PCOS, Insulin Resitance to name the stuff I know of.<br />
I know, that for my health, I need to lose weight, and I am doing so, with help of medication, healthy eating and exercise, but I know that I will never weigh 100 lbs.  It ain&#8217;t ever going to happen.<br />
But If I am able to go rock climbing and sailing when I am &#8220;obese&#8221; and not break a sweat&#8230;.something needs to be reevaluated here&#8230;.I would consider myself fit.  Maybe not as toned as I would like, but I have to say, that for a clinically obese woman, Kate Harding, you look Awesome! I think you look good&#8230;.and I know that you aren&#8217;t fishing for complimnets, but it really illustrated the bias that there is in the media&#8230;and it makes me sad!  I think fitness, not numbers on the scale should be the litmus test.  I know way too many skinny people who can&#8217;t keep up on a hike with me&#8230;.and I am the fat one! What is wrong with this picture? Or right for that matter!</p>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/08/09/okay-now-im-mad/#comment-6337</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Becky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dutchy, I believe the average American woman is 5&#039;4.  So at 153 pounds, the average woman is at the lower end of the &quot;overweight&quot; range.  The scandalously three pounds higher goal weight of 135 is within the &quot;healthy&quot; range so even by ridiculous BMI standards, overweight and obesity are not what the average woman is considering an acceptable weight for herself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dutchy, I believe the average American woman is 5&#8217;4.  So at 153 pounds, the average woman is at the lower end of the &#8220;overweight&#8221; range.  The scandalously three pounds higher goal weight of 135 is within the &#8220;healthy&#8221; range so even by ridiculous BMI standards, overweight and obesity are not what the average woman is considering an acceptable weight for herself.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please. &quot;Obese&quot; is a euphemism for &quot;so fat it makes me sick.&quot; As opposed to, y&#039;know, fat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please. &#8220;Obese&#8221; is a euphemism for &#8220;so fat it makes me sick.&#8221; As opposed to, y&#8217;know, fat.</p>
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