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		<title>By: kateharding</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/07/31/gee-ya-think/#comment-5340</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Consider the slate cleaned, MOW. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consider the slate cleaned, MOW. :)</p>
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		<title>By: kateharding</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/07/31/gee-ya-think/#comment-5339</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My Own Woman, thanks for clarifying, and I&#039;m sorry I didn&#039;t respond earlier, because I didn&#039;t have the same reaction as BStu.

His point, in the larger scheme of things, is a good one. Too many people don&#039;t consider the &lt;i&gt;surgery itself&lt;/i&gt; as a possible reason for subsequent heart attacks, just as too many people don&#039;t consider dieting as a possible reason for subsequent health problems. It&#039;s all fat, fat, fat.

But that doesn&#039;t mean that&#039;s what you were saying, necessarily.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Own Woman, thanks for clarifying, and I&#8217;m sorry I didn&#8217;t respond earlier, because I didn&#8217;t have the same reaction as BStu.</p>
<p>His point, in the larger scheme of things, is a good one. Too many people don&#8217;t consider the <i>surgery itself</i> as a possible reason for subsequent heart attacks, just as too many people don&#8217;t consider dieting as a possible reason for subsequent health problems. It&#8217;s all fat, fat, fat.</p>
<p>But that doesn&#8217;t mean that&#8217;s what you were saying, necessarily.</p>
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		<title>By: MyOwnWoman</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/07/31/gee-ya-think/#comment-5338</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh shit.... I&#039;ve so messed up with my messages.  Can I just start over and we can all be friends?  My quit smoking episode cost me 40 lbs so now I weigh in at a steady 170 lbs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh shit&#8230;. I&#8217;ve so messed up with my messages.  Can I just start over and we can all be friends?  My quit smoking episode cost me 40 lbs so now I weigh in at a steady 170 lbs.</p>
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		<title>By: MyOwnWoman</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/07/31/gee-ya-think/#comment-5337</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and btw, I quit smoking right after my 2nd heart attack and gained 40 lbs.....  and I&#039;m still the same person I was at 300 lbs and 130 lbs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and btw, I quit smoking right after my 2nd heart attack and gained 40 lbs&#8230;..  and I&#8217;m still the same person I was at 300 lbs and 130 lbs.</p>
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		<title>By: MyOwnWoman</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/07/31/gee-ya-think/#comment-5336</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MyOwnWoman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh my goodness, I think I&#039;ve lead everyone astray.  I had my WLS after my first heart attack because I thought that this change would help me live a longer life.  Yes, I smoked back then too.......and yes, it was the smoking that precipitated the second heart attack.  The first MI was the combination of the two (in my humble opinion), the second was a direct result of my smoking.

I don&#039;t think I &quot;needed&quot; the surgery as much as I &quot;thought&quot; I needed the surgery.  I was in denial.  Everyone, including the doctor told me the reason for my MI was because I was fat; if I lost weight, I would lower my risk.  I lost weight, didn&#039;t modify my smoking and bang, I had another MI. 

I didn&#039;t write this post to criticise or to help anyone decide whether to have WLS or not; I wrote it merely to let others know that simple or surgical weight loss does not solve all of life&#039;s problems.  Those &quot;problems&quot; have to be dealt with internally.

I guess my whole post should have said.... &quot;if you want to have WLS merely to look better; you will not win.  You will always be as beautiful as you are inside right now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my goodness, I think I&#8217;ve lead everyone astray.  I had my WLS after my first heart attack because I thought that this change would help me live a longer life.  Yes, I smoked back then too&#8230;&#8230;.and yes, it was the smoking that precipitated the second heart attack.  The first MI was the combination of the two (in my humble opinion), the second was a direct result of my smoking.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I &#8220;needed&#8221; the surgery as much as I &#8220;thought&#8221; I needed the surgery.  I was in denial.  Everyone, including the doctor told me the reason for my MI was because I was fat; if I lost weight, I would lower my risk.  I lost weight, didn&#8217;t modify my smoking and bang, I had another MI. </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t write this post to criticise or to help anyone decide whether to have WLS or not; I wrote it merely to let others know that simple or surgical weight loss does not solve all of life&#8217;s problems.  Those &#8220;problems&#8221; have to be dealt with internally.</p>
<p>I guess my whole post should have said&#8230;. &#8220;if you want to have WLS merely to look better; you will not win.  You will always be as beautiful as you are inside right now.</p>
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		<title>By: bstu</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/07/31/gee-ya-think/#comment-5305</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bstu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, you had your second heart-attack 4 years after surgery, but the surgery was obviously a success because you lost weight.  Even though you still had another heart attack which supposedly was the reason you needed the surgery in the first place.  But you lost weight, right.  So obviously, it was a &quot;success&quot;.

Fat people aren&#039;t walking times bombs.  A fat person has more of a chance to live another year without the surgery than with it.  All of the condemnations of the health of fat people doesn&#039;t change that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, you had your second heart-attack 4 years after surgery, but the surgery was obviously a success because you lost weight.  Even though you still had another heart attack which supposedly was the reason you needed the surgery in the first place.  But you lost weight, right.  So obviously, it was a &#8220;success&#8221;.</p>
<p>Fat people aren&#8217;t walking times bombs.  A fat person has more of a chance to live another year without the surgery than with it.  All of the condemnations of the health of fat people doesn&#8217;t change that.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesley</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/07/31/gee-ya-think/#comment-5283</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lesley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 07:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Meowser, I&#039;m wondering the same thing. My aunt was (and perhaps still is) a chain-smoker. She is not obese, but she also had a heart attack at a relatively young age (mid-forties). Smoking is the real problem here IMO and IME.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meowser, I&#8217;m wondering the same thing. My aunt was (and perhaps still is) a chain-smoker. She is not obese, but she also had a heart attack at a relatively young age (mid-forties). Smoking is the real problem here IMO and IME.</p>
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		<title>By: Meowser</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/07/31/gee-ya-think/#comment-5273</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Meowser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MOW, I&#039;m curious...were you not a smoker at the time of your first heart attack, before the WLS?  Smoking is a much more serious risk factor for heart disease than being &quot;obese,&quot; so if you were smoking then as well as being fat, what makes you so sure it was the fat that &quot;caused&quot; your heart attack, rather than the cigarettes?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MOW, I&#8217;m curious&#8230;were you not a smoker at the time of your first heart attack, before the WLS?  Smoking is a much more serious risk factor for heart disease than being &#8220;obese,&#8221; so if you were smoking then as well as being fat, what makes you so sure it was the fat that &#8220;caused&#8221; your heart attack, rather than the cigarettes?</p>
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		<title>By: MyOwnWoman</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/07/31/gee-ya-think/#comment-5254</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MyOwnWoman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 01:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In 2000, I was 44 years old, 5ft. 2 inches tall and weighed in at almost 300 lbs.  I had my first heart attack.  It scared me enough to start looking at loosing weight to save my life so I could watch my children grow into the people they will become.  I researched (in secret) and finally after extensive research and talking to various bariatric centers I decided to have the surgery.  My family was scared but supportive.  I told them the risks (which are about the same as any overweight person has just having a appey or a C-section) but I also added the risks of strictures at the site, dumping syndrome and pulmonary embolism.

I had my surgery 2 days after my 45th birthday.  That was 6 years ago.  I lost about 180 lbs and began walking and exercising, not to excess, but to the ability I could  now do.  Before, my activity level was low because I worked all day and was exhausted when I came home.

Now, as far as the psychological aspect of things; I did not want to lose weight so I could be more attractive, fit into tight clothes, look sexy to the opposite sex; mine was out of desire to see my children as long as I could.  Some people have WLS for all the wrong reasons and soon find out that what they thought their lives would be is not even close to the expected..  For me, the &quot;side-effect&quot; of the surgery was being able to buy clothes without paying an arm and a leg for them.

I have never had self esteem problems or self loathing problems, neither when I was 300 lbs or now.  What I did have problems with is the way I was perceived; not how I was perceveived then, but how I am perceived now.  When I was &quot;fat&quot; I was stupid, lazy, and just out of control; now, suddenly what I have to say has some validity. (big eye roll).  I was told by a person who has known me for a long time that &quot;I have changed.&quot;  I shook my head and grinned.  &quot;No,&quot; I said, &quot;I haven&#039;t changed a bit, I&#039;ve always been the same inside, but your perception of me has changed.  Now I&#039;m a person of &quot;worth&quot; because you perceive me as a &quot;person&quot; you used to see me as fat or a non person.  I smiled again and said, &quot;It&#039;s a shame you never saw me  as I always was, because now I can see clearly how you are.&quot;

Bariatric surgery isn&#039;t for everyone.  All sides have to be weighed and you need to do your own research and make up your own mind as to &quot;WHY&quot; you think you want to have this type of surgery.  If you want this surgery to look good, you are doing it for all the wrong reasons, you should be able to look in the mirror right now and see the beauty within.  I look in the mirror and see the exact same person that I was in 2000.  

Oh, and by the way.... after my 2nd heart attack in 2005 complete with a 6 vessel bypass I quit smoking.  Buttttttttttt... maybe that&#039;s a story for another day!

This is just me rambling.... take me or leave me.... but I&#039;ll still kinda like  ya whether you want me to or not!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 2000, I was 44 years old, 5ft. 2 inches tall and weighed in at almost 300 lbs.  I had my first heart attack.  It scared me enough to start looking at loosing weight to save my life so I could watch my children grow into the people they will become.  I researched (in secret) and finally after extensive research and talking to various bariatric centers I decided to have the surgery.  My family was scared but supportive.  I told them the risks (which are about the same as any overweight person has just having a appey or a C-section) but I also added the risks of strictures at the site, dumping syndrome and pulmonary embolism.</p>
<p>I had my surgery 2 days after my 45th birthday.  That was 6 years ago.  I lost about 180 lbs and began walking and exercising, not to excess, but to the ability I could  now do.  Before, my activity level was low because I worked all day and was exhausted when I came home.</p>
<p>Now, as far as the psychological aspect of things; I did not want to lose weight so I could be more attractive, fit into tight clothes, look sexy to the opposite sex; mine was out of desire to see my children as long as I could.  Some people have WLS for all the wrong reasons and soon find out that what they thought their lives would be is not even close to the expected..  For me, the &#8220;side-effect&#8221; of the surgery was being able to buy clothes without paying an arm and a leg for them.</p>
<p>I have never had self esteem problems or self loathing problems, neither when I was 300 lbs or now.  What I did have problems with is the way I was perceived; not how I was perceveived then, but how I am perceived now.  When I was &#8220;fat&#8221; I was stupid, lazy, and just out of control; now, suddenly what I have to say has some validity. (big eye roll).  I was told by a person who has known me for a long time that &#8220;I have changed.&#8221;  I shook my head and grinned.  &#8220;No,&#8221; I said, &#8220;I haven&#8217;t changed a bit, I&#8217;ve always been the same inside, but your perception of me has changed.  Now I&#8217;m a person of &#8220;worth&#8221; because you perceive me as a &#8220;person&#8221; you used to see me as fat or a non person.  I smiled again and said, &#8220;It&#8217;s a shame you never saw me  as I always was, because now I can see clearly how you are.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bariatric surgery isn&#8217;t for everyone.  All sides have to be weighed and you need to do your own research and make up your own mind as to &#8220;WHY&#8221; you think you want to have this type of surgery.  If you want this surgery to look good, you are doing it for all the wrong reasons, you should be able to look in the mirror right now and see the beauty within.  I look in the mirror and see the exact same person that I was in 2000.  </p>
<p>Oh, and by the way&#8230;. after my 2nd heart attack in 2005 complete with a 6 vessel bypass I quit smoking.  Buttttttttttt&#8230; maybe that&#8217;s a story for another day!</p>
<p>This is just me rambling&#8230;. take me or leave me&#8230;. but I&#8217;ll still kinda like  ya whether you want me to or not!</p>
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		<title>By: Mari</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/07/31/gee-ya-think/#comment-5253</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mari]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 01:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s really sad that so many people coming on here are talking 
about weight-loss surgery. I used to work at a health insurance
company and have heard horror stories about people who
died and/or experienced complications as a result of having
it.  

I personally cannot stand Star Jones and I&#039;m a straight black
woman.  She looked better before; now she looks sickly.

And when you think about it? Is her life really that much better
after WLS.  Most people I know can&#039;t stand her, she got
kicked off The View and she has a gay husband.

Yeah, as a size 24 woman, I&#039;m really envious of her.
*sarcasm*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really sad that so many people coming on here are talking<br />
about weight-loss surgery. I used to work at a health insurance<br />
company and have heard horror stories about people who<br />
died and/or experienced complications as a result of having<br />
it.  </p>
<p>I personally cannot stand Star Jones and I&#8217;m a straight black<br />
woman.  She looked better before; now she looks sickly.</p>
<p>And when you think about it? Is her life really that much better<br />
after WLS.  Most people I know can&#8217;t stand her, she got<br />
kicked off The View and she has a gay husband.</p>
<p>Yeah, as a size 24 woman, I&#8217;m really envious of her.<br />
*sarcasm*</p>
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